American Cars

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As mentioned before, everyone has their own take on American cars in GT4. Some are patriotic about this, some just simply perfer cars like this, and some auto enthusiasts have deep respect for almost any car (American included, of course). So what 98Cobra and Cano say about American cars in GT4 is purely their own opinions. Like, take me. I actually want to race that Shelby Cobra with the top down. Since I'll be in a racing suit, I won't be able to feel the wind blow and wrinkling up my shirt or something. Of course, what plans would GT4 have for us to show off driver animations? As long as we have our own stylized racing suits, I'm cool.

What I've been on is that American cars mean "cars from America," not so much NASCAR and muscle cars. They are American for sure, but I've just tried to broadened things as I could. So I brought up Panoz and Mosler, for example. Some of the American racing machines from Can-Am or even the older days of Trans-Am will still interest me heavily to race in GT4. Of course, a modern-day Trans-Am racer would still be a sweet way to enjoy the GT4 experience even if they are styled more like "stock" cars with functional taillights.

As a side note, did you know that the ASA (one of the many "short track" racing series in America) once used functional tail lights? SASCAR (basically, South African NASCAR but races a lot of road courses) uses functional tail lights, though small ones.
 
I want the AIV and the Avanti

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i'll take any new american car i can get. just the help level the field.

i myself am only expecting about 5, ten if we're lucky, more american cars.

what do you guys think? is that about right or you think more?
 
Mr. McShake
i'll take any new american car i can get. just the help level the field.

i myself am only expecting about 5, ten if we're lucky, more american cars.

what do you guys think? is that about right or you think more?
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I think there will be more american cars then GT2, any where from 10 to 20 more.
 
Mr. McShake
i'll take any new american car i can get. just the help level the field.

i myself am only expecting about 5, ten if we're lucky, more american cars.

what do you guys think? is that about right or you think more?
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A little more.
 
Man I cant beleive that midnight club is gona have all this American cars:
Chevy 1949 Fleetline*
Chevy 1957 Bel Air*
Chevy 1964 Impala
Chevy 1968 Corvette
Chevy 1969 Camaro
Chevy 1970 El Camino SS
Chevy 1978 Monte Carlo*
Chevy 1981 Camaro Z28
Dodge 1969 Charger RT-SE 440
Pontiac 1968 GTO
Pontiac 1970 GTO
Concept Cars
Cadillac 16*
Cadillac Cien*
Chrysler ME Four-Twelve*
Dodge Charger RT-SE 440
Saleen SR
Chrysler 300c
Chevy 1996 Impala SS
and those are just some of the American cars not all . Man we need those cars in GT4
 
yeah. i agree. i was just looking at that.

i haven't played the other midnight clubs but the list they have makes me want to get it.

we only got i think two of the cars on that list too so far.

if we could have half of those that would be awesome.

i guess that's the whole "where the game is made" thing. this game is made in the US, or at least i think it is, and it has lots of american cars and few japanese cars.
 
Don't be so pessimistic about American cars. I'm pretty sure that we're not going to get as many American cars as there are Japanese cars. Would you want even a Buick LeSabre or even a Lincoln LS in the game? Well, the Lincoln LS outperformed a BMW in some certain field, and after sitting in one at this year's Houston Auto Show, I was pretty impressed with the comfort and control in this car. But otherwise a nice machine.

Anyhow, I don't know if it's a problem on here, but some people are pretty pessimistic on GTP. I'm depressed and pessimistic myself, but speaking for you all, I think we'll surely see more American cars. If I go on GT2 or GT3, I'll predict that there will be slightly more American cars than European cars, but less American cars than Japanese. Or if you know your math, here's the expression:

(Japanese cars in GT4) > (American cars in GT4) > (European and other Cars in GT4)

Do you think this will be the balance of the 700 cars to be in GT4?
 
JohnBM01
Don't be so pessimistic about American cars. I'm pretty sure that we're not going to get as many American cars as there are Japanese cars. Would you want even a Buick LeSabre or even a Lincoln LS in the game? Well, the Lincoln LS outperformed a BMW in some certain field, and after sitting in one at this year's Houston Auto Show, I was pretty impressed with the comfort and control in this car. But otherwise a nice machine.

Anyhow, I don't know if it's a problem on here, but some people are pretty pessimistic on GTP. I'm depressed and pessimistic myself, but speaking for you all, I think we'll surely see more American cars. If I go on GT2 or GT3, I'll predict that there will be slightly more American cars than European cars, but less American cars than Japanese. Or if you know your math, here's the expression:

(Japanese cars in GT4) > (American cars in GT4) > (European and other Cars in GT4)

Do you think this will be the balance of the 700 cars to be in GT4?
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Yes, math. For whatever reason I actually remember learning about the 'greater than' and 'less than' signs way back in grade 4... useless comment, no doubt... :sick:

Anyways, there may be more American cars than Euro, I'm not too sure on that either. IMO, however, the Japanese cars will still outnumber both of the other two to such an extent that I'd wager there will be more Japanese cars in the game than all the American cars & European cars combined.
 
allsops
Yes, math. For whatever reason I actually remember learning about the 'greater than' and 'less than' signs way back in grade 4... useless comment, no doubt... :sick:

Anyways, there may be more American cars than Euro, I'm not too sure on that either. IMO, however, the Japanese cars will still outnumber both of the other two to such an extent that I'd wager there will be more Japanese cars in the game than all the American cars & European cars combined.
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I'd wager there being more euros than americans, which is fine by me, since europe has a very accomplished motorsports history.
 
i'll bet that there will be more cars from each of the major Japanese manufacturers than there will be from the reast of the world combined... dreadful.

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kinigitt
I'd wager there being more euros than americans, which is fine by me, since europe has a very accomplished motorsports history.
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What?? You saying America's "moonshine runners" arn't part of good ole motorsports history?! :sly:
 
The US has had many great race cars over the history of motorsports. Some of the most famous are the Ford GT40 series, Dodge Viper GTS-R, Chevrolet Corvette C5R, various Chaparrals, Panoz Esperante GTR-1 and LMP Roadster S, Corvette Grand Sport, Shelby Cobra and Cobra Daytona, and even various Ford Mustangs. And I'm only talking road racing. So I don't see where people come up with this idea that the US has no (or very little) motorsports history. Ford was actually one of the first companies to actually build a race car :p

 And no matter what people say or what countries they sell GT games in it will still have mostly Japanese cars. I personally feel that is not fair but that is how it will be.
 
JohnBM01
Don't be so pessimistic about American cars. I'm pretty sure that we're not going to get as many American cars as there are Japanese cars. Would you want even a Buick LeSabre or even a Lincoln LS in the game? Well, the Lincoln LS outperformed a BMW in some certain field, and after sitting in one at this year's Houston Auto Show, I was pretty impressed with the comfort and control in this car. But otherwise a nice machine.

Anyhow, I don't know if it's a problem on here, but some people are pretty pessimistic on GTP. I'm depressed and pessimistic myself, but speaking for you all, I think we'll surely see more American cars. If I go on GT2 or GT3, I'll predict that there will be slightly more American cars than European cars, but less American cars than Japanese. Or if you know your math, here's the expression:

(Japanese cars in GT4) > (American cars in GT4) > (European and other Cars in GT4)

Do you think this will be the balance of the 700 cars to be in GT4?
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Yeah, or American or European will be somewhat equal. But if there are more American cars than European and vice versa, I'm sure it won't be by that much.
 
I think (or hope) the balance will be: 150 European, 175 American, and 375 or more japanese/other.

As for the wish list:

1966 Tri-Power GTO
1966 or 67 Chevelle SS
1967 Shelby GT350
1968 Shelby GT500
Shelby Cobra 289, 427
Cobra Daytona
1969 Mustang Boss 302 and 429
1969 or 70 Mustang Mach 1
1970 Buick GS Stage 1
1970 Buick GSX
1970 Chevelle SS454 - LS6
1963 Split Window Corvette Z06
1967 Corvette 427 - L88. Convertible with Sidepipes.
1969 Corvette 427 Convertible
1969 Camaro Z/28
1969 Camaro RS/SS 396
1969 COPO or Yenko Camaro
1975 Firebird with SD-455
1970 Ford Torino Cobra
1970 Cougar Eliminator
1970 Cuda AAR and 426 Hemi
1969 Roadrunner
1987 Buick GNX
1995 Corvette ZR-1
1995 Impala SS
1989 Mustang GT and Cobra
1991 Camaro Z/28
1994 and 2002 Camaro Z/28 and SS

I would list more but I've got to go.
 
Slicks
I think (or hope) the balance will be: 150 European, 175 American, and 375 or more japanese/other.

As for the wish list:

1966 Tri-Power GTO
1966 or 67 Chevelle SS
1967 Shelby GT350
1968 Shelby GT500
Shelby Cobra 289, 427
Cobra Daytona
1969 Mustang Boss 302 and 429
1969 or 70 Mustang Mach 1
1970 Buick GS Stage 1
1970 Buick GSX
1970 Chevelle SS454 - LS6
1963 Split Window Corvette Z06
1967 Corvette 427 - L88. Convertible with Sidepipes.
1969 Corvette 427 Convertible
1969 Camaro Z/28
1969 Camaro RS/SS 396
1969 COPO or Yenko Camaro
1975 Firebird with SD-455
1970 Ford Torino Cobra
1970 Cougar Eliminator
1970 Cuda AAR and 426 Hemi
1969 Roadrunner
1987 Buick GNX
1995 Corvette ZR-1
1995 Impala SS
1989 Mustang GT and Cobra
1991 Camaro Z/28
1994 and 2002 Camaro Z/28 and SS

I would list more but I've got to go.
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Nice list, but I don't think there were Mustang Cobras in '89.
 
Are you sure? Mabye I'm thinking of a later year. I could swear I've seen 4 or 5 with some sort of factory-looking body kit with 'cobra' across the rear bumper, and foglamp insets in the front.
 
On The 359's list I counted all the confirmed American cars and it's only 63, 69 if you count Acura. It might be a few more, but i'm not sure if I got all the obscure American manufactuers.

Also that number goes up to 78, 84 if counting Acura, if you count the green and red cars listed too.

Again, I might of missed a few of the leseer known cars makers.

Either way that isn't even as many cars as there are Nissans.

I'm not complaining. 84 is a lot better then how it was in GT3. It's still not as much as the rest though...I think.
 
98cobra
Nice list, but I don't think there were Mustang Cobras in '89.
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You are correct, unless we're going to go back into the 70's with the King Cobra's etc (which are all better left forgotten actually). The first Mustang SVT Cobra was in 1993, BUT it was the exact same body style as the 1989, so I can see how it might be confusing.
 
I like having these discussions on here. Not so much American cars, but getting a chance to kind of "interview" with the public.

Anyhow, I'm sure that there will be just enough American cars so that things don't get too one-sided. When I say "one-sided," I mean "too many of one nationality of car," especially in the sense of a game featuring many machines from around the world and back. What good is a such game if you're going to focus so much on one nationality of car? If Gran Turismo was American, I bet there will be 125 American cars including "stock" cars, Trans-Am, street-legal drag racers, and oh yeah... the compacts American muscle heads tend to leave behind (unless it's maybe the Omni GLHS or Dart). I'm not trying to start a flame war, but some Japanese car lovers wouldn't like racing in Japan with a Japanese car while messing with several types of Mustangs spanning from the future to 1964. As I say, "account for everyone." A lot of people don't like racing against nothing but Skylines and Lancers, but likewise, you don't want too many of a certain type of American car. If you're PD, you'll want to put in just the right balance so that people don't feel they're racing too many of the same car.

This same question is posed in another thread of mine concerning too many of the same car, so do a search for it if you want to talk more about this issue. Other than that, cheerio!
 
Lethalchem
You are correct, unless we're going to go back into the 70's with the King Cobra's etc (which are all better left forgotten actually). The first Mustang SVT Cobra was in 1993, BUT it was the exact same body style as the 1989, so I can see how it might be confusing.
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Dang, Beat me to it!
 
150 European compared to 175 American cars? Yeah right. That would be a load of bull. Europe has a lot higher variety of cars. They all handle different aswell. With the American cars, it's like 90% of them share most of the parts with other cars. Only the body shape is different. This happens in Europe aswell, but not at that scale.
 
Dev_Zero
150 European compared to 175 American cars? Yeah right. That would be a load of bull. Europe has a lot higher variety of cars. They all handle different aswell. With the American cars, it's like 90% of them share most of the parts with other cars. Only the body shape is different. This happens in Europe aswell, but not at that scale.
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You're forgeting about classic American cars.(I'm not saying europe dosen't have tons of those too) but parts sharing was not always that big.
 
Dev_Zero
150 European compared to 175 American cars? Yeah right. That would be a load of bull. Europe has a lot higher variety of cars. They all handle different aswell. With the American cars, it's like 90% of them share most of the parts with other cars. Only the body shape is different. This happens in Europe aswell, but not at that scale.
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Actually, I have always felt MOST of the GT(1,2,3) cars handled/performed too similarly, regardless of brand/make/nationality. Sure, there were tiny differences if you bothered to pay attention enough, but for the most part it was all fairly routine. I'd like to actually see (feel) a wider variety "personalities" in the cars of GT4 as a whole., otherwise it's ALL just a new set of clothes....which would be a shame.
 
You've got a good point there Lethalchem. What's the use of so many different cars if they all handle similar anyways. This does not seem to be the case however. The latest Demo build showed huge handling differences between the cars available.
 
Dev_Zero
You've got a good point there Lethalchem. What's the use of so many different cars if they all handle similar anyways. This does not seem to be the case however. The latest Demo build showed huge handling differences between the cars available.
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Yeah, I'm hoping everything guys have been saying about the demos and stuff is true. I havn't driven anything new since GT3, so I'm expecting BIG changes from what I'm accustomed to. I hope I'm not going to be let down. I'm already very disapointed in the sound clips I've heard recently. The tire squeal is STILL not correct, nor do the engine sounds achieve the level of realism I had hoped. I'm hoping I just havn't been exposed to enough of the final product to see the improvements yet. We'll see.

As much as I hate to say it, NFS:U2 has actually got several characteristics in the game that would be sorely missed if they were not present in a game like GT4. The way the rear kicks out then "catches" when pulling out of a parking lot or street is a very good representation, as is the launching/shifting techniques that affect performance. These are all things that should be built into a game as excellent as the GT series is.
 
Venom800tt
The US has had many great race cars over the history of motorsports. Some of the most famous are the Ford GT40 series, Dodge Viper GTS-R, Chevrolet Corvette C5R, various Chaparrals, Panoz Esperante GTR-1 and LMP Roadster S, Corvette Grand Sport, Shelby Cobra and Cobra Daytona, and even various Ford Mustangs. And I'm only talking road racing. So I don't see where people come up with this idea that the US has no (or very little) motorsports history. Ford was actually one of the first companies to actually build a race car :p

 And no matter what people say or what countries they sell GT games in it will still have mostly Japanese cars. I personally feel that is not fair but that is how it will be.
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I didn't ever say that the U.S. has little motorsports history. I love american cars, don't get me wrong, I'm just putting it into perspective. Europe is like a mecca for motorsports. It is the epicenter.
 
Lethalchem
Yeah, I'm hoping everything guys have been saying about the demos and stuff is true. I havn't driven anything new since GT3, so I'm expecting BIG changes from what I'm accustomed to. I hope I'm not going to be let down. I'm already very disapointed in the sound clips I've heard recently. The tire squeal is STILL not correct, nor do the engine sounds achieve the level of realism I had hoped. I'm hoping I just havn't been exposed to enough of the final product to see the improvements yet. We'll see.

As much as I hate to say it, NFS:U2 has actually got several characteristics in the game that would be sorely missed if they were not present in a game like GT4. The way the rear kicks out then "catches" when pulling out of a parking lot or street is a very good representation, as is the launching/shifting techniques that affect performance. These are all things that should be built into a game as excellent as the GT series is.
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The engine sounds are spiffy too. too bad that game is too obnoxious for me to enjoy.

And I agree with you on the sounds for GT4, though the falken R34 clips I've heard sound nasty ! The tire sounds have been the weakest link in GT's audio for quite some time, and despite better sounding engines, they're apparently back.
 
I really hope that to go with the increased selection of American muscle, they have a realistic drag racing mode. Complete with burnout box, staging lights (stage the car yourself), and an actual tree, so that R/T's make a difference in your overall ET.
 

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