American Muscle (Week 2): Seattle (w/ Results)

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I believe I placed 11th last week too...:boggled:
 
Not to be picky (and not that it helps me at all), Koly, but didn't I put up a second final time of 1'37.896?
 
Congrats podium people! A Cuda at the top and a Cuda at the bottom...you guys need to talk. Looks like team Chevy needs to regroup to take a shot at the Mopar boys.
 
jet, I seem to remember that you did, but I couldn't find the PM ... let me look again (dammit, this will be the third time this afternoon! pewp!)

EDIT: It doesn't affect the results at all (effect? I can never get that right), so I'll just redo the results chart and it'll not knock on to anything else.
 
Kolyana
jet, I seem to remember that you did, but I couldn't find the PM ... let me look again (dammit, this will be the third time this afternoon! pewp!)

What happened to all the people that were supposed to be driving the Camaro SS? I had thoughts of running it before the series started, but I think about three drivers had it already so I didn't want to make another "C3 pack".
 
Well, we had a couple of drop outs, one of which was "Physics" and he was running the SS>
 
Congrats to the podium finishers :cheers:

Well done 92CorradoSLC and Jetboys427.......2 second gap over the rest of the field :eek:

I did some testing with the Chevelle using a different setup to see if I could keep up with the leaders. I didn't test very much before the series started :dunce: and have only driven the Chevelle. Anyway I put in some laps with a different setup and the best I could get out of the Chevelle was a 1'41.431 , still 3 seconds off pace. :ouch:
 
Hey, :cheers: just to keeping both sides on the heavy A-body.
 
I can't believe you barely got me again, Jerome.

Congrats to all.
 
Rules:
Discuss only T-times.
Clean OLR Standards:
No wall touching.
The enitire course is considered part of the track; sidewalks, rumble strips and all (just stay off the walls).
No hybrids
No Cheating of any kind

Thank you. It's good to know that even if I were blind, I could read that rule. So we have a motion to start slinging crap huh? Okay, we can start slinging crap. I'm not a Gran Turismo newbie, I'm not even a Gran Turismo forum newbie. My brother is new to the forum side of Gran Turismo though and was only doing what I did, so don't get on him about it.

I understand the T-times phrase completely and entirely ... but you're telling someone who doesn't really give a ƒluck (I could remove the "L" if I wanted and it still wouldn't be censored. Use the program, "Windows Character Map" for other letters since the Internet censors aren't immune to irregular characters). Here's why I don't care: I don't feel that knowing a final time is really all that advantageous, especially since I posted at 4AM Pacific Time, with about 8 hours remaining until the deadline. If someone wants to wait until the bitter end of a project to work on it, great for them, but the results aren't as good if they'd been working on it all along.

Competitors have had a week (168 hours) to find their best time and chances are, knowing someone else's final time isn't going to make a difference that late in the game. I've had both, offers for people to send me their replay, and people ask me for my ghost replay before the deadline. What does a ghost replay contain? Ohhh muh gosh! It has the final time too! I can't edit that out without some video editing software.

You have settings and you have ability. Somewhere in there is a limiting factor. What if I posted a 1'35.468 on Friday morning? If I could sling the Corvette around Seattle [R] that quickly, good for me. Obviously I have the talent and the settings that will allow me to do that. Would it be boasting? Nope, we're competing for a "best time." It would be expected.

How, realistically, would knowing about a 1'35.468 on Friday make a difference for today? Before you answer, "People would try harder," think about it. If you try harder and push and push, sloppiness is the result. The quickest way around a track is to be smooth. Trying harder is not the answer. Calming down and driving smoothly is the answer. The fastest driver on a road course is the one who looks as if they are going the slowest. The in-car cam doesn't show any herky-jerky movements, they don't do anything hastily, but they're getting it done with the most efficiency. "Try harder" they might, but there is a deadline winding down and other rules that limit a lot.

I've heard that this rule has been in effect since GT2. Who thought of the 'sector' rule anyway? He/she is like the human who put a law on the books saying that a frog cannot croak after 9PM. What kind of law is that? How does one go about enforcing it? Do we shoot the offending frog? So now we have a tradition. Tradition is lemmings jumping over a cliff. Want to jump over a cliff? Go for it, I won't stop you. You can laugh at me for being different, I'll laugh at you for being all the same.

I'd like to see the shock & surprise I bring if I hosted NASA's CMC in GT4 and allowed people to discuss final times. Call me Chevy, cuz I'd start a revolution :D

I'm curious, how many people here believe that the attacks on September 11, 2001 were performed by the United States government, and how many believe the media buuulllll-chit stories? If you're half intelligent and can think for yourself logically, you can find yourself believing the government did it; they screwed up and left unexplained discrepancies. If you're brainless and are easily swayed by our biased media, then you believe the media's story that some middle-eastern guys (some of whom are still alive by the way) hijacked some planes and stuffed a Boeing into the Pentagon.

How is that relevant to this post? Think for yourself logically: knowing someone's final time doesn't really make a difference. The difference is in your ability. If you can better someone else's final time, congratulations, it was in you the whole time, you just had to be motivated in a different way. People learn in different ways, some people are motivated in different ways. Like Jetboys said in an earlier post, racing is fun, but mopping the floor isn't. I'd rather see many great drivers competing and being close, than one or two drivers mopping the floor with all the rest. If I post my time and you get motivated to beat it, cool! Go for it. Competition is good for the economy, it's also good for racing. You can't win 'em all, so get used to losing.

I am happy with my result. I don't care that I finished 2nd? 3rd? 6th? 8th? I don't care. What I am irked about is that I couldn't stay focused and in the zone to better my sector two time while staying around my 19.7 sector one time, but that's my own frustration and it doesn't have any relevance with any of you all.
 
:lol: That's close to "HOOOOO-AH" that the U.S. Army uses. The Marines copied and just changed it to "HOOO-RAH" 👎
 
63AvantiR3
(Whatever he said on the last page)


First, I really couldn't care if you are a 'forum newbie' or not. Second, you seem like quite an intelligent and articulate person, so I wasn't going to bother quoting the dictionary definition of 'Rules'. But I will anyway.

Dictionary.com 2.a "Rules"
An authoritative, prescribed direction for conduct, especially one of the regulations governing procedure in a legislative body or a regulation observed by the players in a game, sport, or contest.

Now, you my have taken my message about the T-Times the wrong way. I was merely stating that those are the rules that you argee to when you enter this contest, the same rules that everybody argees and adheres to.

You say you 'don't give a fluck', but it doesn't matter if you do or not, the rules are there to be allowed unconditionally, if you choose not follow one, why not just not follow all of them? Hit the walls, use NOS, put racing tyres on your car, who cares? Because you don't give a fluck about it.

Although, I did like the way you brought terrorism conspiracy theorys into your defence to somehow justify your argument. A billiant metaphor if I ever saw one.

All I was trying to do was not get you kicked out of the competition, but now after you accusing me of 'slinging crap', I really couldn't care.
 
Where ARE you getting these emotes? lol
 
BTW, 92Corrado' ... I know we discussed this in a PM, but if you have the ability to post a replay I'd truly love to see it. I don't share some other's thoughts that the CUda is too strong, but you clearly got the most out of it and I suspect that you hit the track like a true pro ... easing that car through the corners in a less Strasky & Hutch manner than me :p

I'd love to watch the replay if you have one.
 
I think the rule also exists to prevent someone from fabricating a time. This competition is loose in that we are not required to submit replays unless Koly deems it appropriate. If I knew the times I could make one up that placed me 2nd or 3rd, whatever...kinda sneak in under the radar, with a time that doesn't draw attention. Most (all?) of us wouldn't do that. And I am not sure how someone who does that feels any sort of accomplishment. Unless they would justify it by adding their best split times from different laps and said to themselves...."I would have gotten there eventually anyway so it's OK". I suppose the rules don't specifically exclude this? but it's taken for granted that your time is from you best single lap. Some people seem to be able to justify / rationalize anything....Clinton didn't have "sex" with Lewinski, right? Anyway I think there is more to the rule than just trying to avoid last minute motivation / scrambling to improve.

Of course if I knew that I was in say 8th place by just 0.05 something or even .1 I could probably go out and find it....this week I know I left at least .3 on the track my best T2 was 1'06.7?? My best lap was a T2 of 1'07.000. I just decided not to waste 3 hours trying to get it and it turns out I would've needed alot more than that to have made a difference in the standings. I got to a point where I was satisfied so I said enough. Anyway, I've gotten off subject a bit....

There are no rules about private discussions about lap times.

Out of respect for the forum and Koly I think we need to honor these rules.
 
goixoye
A Cuda at the top and a Cuda at the bottom...you guys need to talk.

I don't think my time was that bad considering I've been working, going to school, actually playing GT4(13.5% complete >_<), trying to repair about a dozen CDs, and going 2 days with a PS2 that wouldn't read any disks(fixed it late thursday).

As you can see, spending an average of 18 hours a day away from home and then coming home around 8 or 9 PM doesn't grant much time for playing or anything else when you have to get up at 6 AM the next morning. :indiff:

Oh well, this weeks the past, I'm making time for Seca this week! All fear the Cuda... errr 92Corrado's Cuda that is :dopey:
 
Casio
You say you 'don't give a fluck', but it doesn't matter if you do or not, the rules are there to be allowed unconditionally, if you choose not follow one, why not just not follow all of them? Hit the walls, use NOS, put racing tyres on your car, who cares? Because you don't give a fluck about it.
I am not trying to get into a flame war. I am trying to make people more aware of and question the existing rule. This is racing and in racing there are not too many surprises regarding car position. If a car is leading, it generally takes: a pass, a spin, or a catastrophic failure to change the order. During qualifying in real racing it is advantageous to go out last. The last driver knows what she/he has to do to gain the pole position. The LeMans Series qualifying goes out all at once. When a driver sets the fastest time in their class, they pull into the pits, their job is done. If and only if another team betters their time, do they go out again. No point in more wear and tear on the equipment.

This is online racing, the others happen in real-time. That's just our disadvantage. I can't wait for true online racing where a time and date are established for 16+ drivers to drive on a track at the same time. Then we too can race in real-time.

I do care about the other rules that are in effect:
63AvantiR3
..."Try harder" they might, but there is a deadline winding down and other rules that limit a lot.
I don't want to revise all rules that are currently established, I would just like to find out who wanted to keep lap times hush-hush initially and why we still do it?

As I messaged Kolyana, change is hard to convince people of since they get comfortable with what has been given to them day in and day out. In the PC world, people almost have to be coerced to upgrade from one operating system to the other. They're so familiar with the one that they have, they're afraid to change and learn a new system, when in reality the new system is better in every way. It just takes time to get used to.

When one person breaks the rules, they're an outcast; when everyone breaks the rules, change is forced. I'd love to see hundreds of thousands of people drive over the many Bay Area bridges, including the Golden Gate Bridge, without stopping to pay the $4 toll (in the GG Bridge's case). Maybe then the state would be saying, "Oh! Damn! The public thinks tolls are too high, maybe we should lower it?" For years the toll has kept climbing and it will continue to climb unless everyone as a whole speaks out.
 
Kolyana
BTW, 92Corrado' ... I know we discussed this in a PM, but if you have the ability to post a replay I'd truly love to see it. I don't share some other's thoughts that the CUda is too strong, but you clearly got the most out of it and I suspect that you hit the track like a true pro ... easing that car through the corners in a less Strasky & Hutch manner than me :p

I'd love to watch the replay if you have one.
He's got one, I have Sharkport capability and just downloaded both of our ghost times off my memory card. I can post our replays on my little section of the Internet if you would like? Then others could see too?
 
darkwind
I don't think my time was that bad considering I've been working, going to school, actually playing GT4(13.5% complete >_<), trying to repair about a dozen CDs, and going 2 days with a PS2 that wouldn't read any disks(fixed it late thursday).

As you can see, spending an average of 18 hours a day away from home and then coming home around 8 or 9 PM doesn't grant much time for playing or anything else when you have to get up at 6 AM the next morning. :indiff:

Oh well, this weeks the past, I'm making time for Seca this week! All fear the Cuda... errr 92Corrado's Cuda that is :dopey:
darkwind, I'm sorry I didn't mean it as an insult. It just seemed unusual that there was such a big difference between the same cars...I was getting used to seeing the '69 Vettes knotted up like men wrestling for a fumbled football...I just saw a Cuda on top and Cuda on the bottom...thought "wow that seems strange". Of course the Vette money was more limited so there is a greater possibility that we're runnning similar setups. The 'Cuda had more money so there's going to be a wider variety of setups.
 
darkwind
Oh well, this weeks the past, I'm making time for Seca this week! All fear the Cuda... errr 92Corrado's Cuda that is :dopey:

Maybe he could tow you?



Sorry, couldn't resist :p
 
goixoye
darkwind, I'm sorry I didn't mean it as an insult. It just seemed unusual that there was such a big difference between the same cars...I was getting used to seeing the '69 Vettes knotted up like men wrestling for a fumbled football...I just saw a Cuda on top and Cuda on the bottom...thought "wow that seems strange". Of course the Vette money was more limited so there is a greater possibility that we're runnning similar setups. The 'Cuda had more money so there's going to be a wider variety of setups.

I didn't take it as an insult, I know I can't drive ^_^. But I was looking through parts last night and I found about 10 different setups that produced massive differences. Hence the reason that whenever we get a chance to change cars, I wanna stick with my Cuda. The cars been given enough money to make it good, it's just a matter of choosing the right parts.

Kolyana
Maybe he could tow you?

Sorry, couldn't resist :p

:ouch:
 
I'm going to stick with my Z28 for the same reasons ... I could pick better parts, I know I could. And it *IS* a BLAST to drive.


REPLAYS:

I have attached two replays to this post from 63AvantiR3 and 92CorradoSLC. I haven't viewed them myself yet, but I am sure that there are things to be enjoyed in both.

They're .sps format (what is that again?). There's a converter to be found here:
http://gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=49777
But I'm not sure if it handles .sps format or not (it seems to handle xps, max and xmem). If anyone can get this working on a .max drive, I'd love to know the details.

(I've read that you can just change the .sps extension to .max, but I can't verify this during working hours).
 

Attachments

.sps is a save fresh from a Sharkport. For those who don't know, a Sharkport is a USB X-link device connecting computer to PS2. These are the ghost replay files as downloaded from a memory card.

I wish I had the S-Video cable for the PS2. I recently bought a PC TV/FM tuner card that has an S-Video 'in' port. I could play my PS2 on my computer monitor and use computer programs to capture the replays and make them .mpg or .avi video files.
 
I've got a maxdrive ... but there are converters, just not sure if tehy can convert sharkport to maxdrive or not or even if it's necessary. Jerome tends to have a few of these things (Jump_Ace) *AND* he can make movies from the result, so I'll be interested to see if he has anything to help here.
 
Okay I must say to A) my fellow Cuda drivers and B) This Forum, for one point I fully agree with my brother but I've not ever really been the one to be the "outcast" who speaks out against it and the since he can and I can't it give me more of a reason to look up to him (7 years apart in age) but secondly Laguna and Infinion are NOT going to be cuda tracks you'll see Jet and I (I think) wrestling under the flock of 69 C3's with everyone else behind us (I hope) My car has a semi-race susp. When we can change if I even do at all I'll use the FULL race because of the money alloted (everyone quit your *****ing) I know the Cuda has the most money alloted but in my opinion it needed every bit and more for me to get it as fast as I did. Koly I did go the fastest but when I set up this car I built it TOO seattle. now I'm screwed we have a strait-turn-strait track then we have a turn-turn-turn-a little strait-turn track and its almost like that the rest of the way out. now that Jet and I have mopped up the nimble cars get their turn (this is all theoredical) I really have no idea what WILL happen I can take an educated guess. but like my brother about motivation...we have the upper hand because I know his times and he knows mine....infinion especilly I get to probably follow the leader :) and learn his time. I'm sure I over shot one of my points...it'll come up later I'm sure.
Bryan
 
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