Angry with PD.

[Vr6Fidelity]

First of all i think overall the game is ok, but something is just so glaring, so wrong i just have to vent about it.

My current status: 76.4%

11237 a spec points (5,429 miles)
5412 b spec points (7,508 miles)

14 golds
19 silvers
47 bronze

Machine skill 71?
Course skill 54?
Battle skill 51?

Win ratio 47.3%

What is with the times PD chose for licencing and missions? Some of them are practically impossible. I know some of you are 100%, I dont care. Do not post here

MY GRIPE: the game does not in any way tell you what you have done wrong at all.

Based on split times of my best efforts (licencing) i can tell where im going wrong but i have no idea why. And here is the real rub: In real life im an excellent racer. i frequently race real cars on real road racing circuts and do extremely well. Last time my car club drove 4 hours down to F1 boston and i set the fastest lap record. I am not a novice, i have read several racing books, been to schools. And im a scientist at work 40 hours a week. I know how the area under the velocity plot is my total time. I just can't figure out why it seems impossible for me to gold and sometimes silver the licences. they seem so simple. I have the most problems with the guided laps.

I wonder how much of my problem is the DS2 controller? I do not have a DFP and am not really interested in buying one.

I literally get in a rage playing the game, right now im trying to SILVER A-15. I am consistently doing a lap at 2:07.5 only half a second from my silver goal. I've done it countess times untill i get so angry i have to turn off the game. This totally ruined the game for me. Ruined. How do they expect kids to beat this? (all golds) (im 28)

How did PD set these times? Did they use a wheel? Perhaps a computer sets the time? I just can't see how sombody made the decision to make the goals this hard. It just is not fun in any way. I find it extremely hard to believe that there are people out there that are going to be able to gold these things without serious frustration.

Mission hall is just insane, absolutley retardedly difficult. I have NOT completed (13-20, 31,33,34) all others i have beaten. I really enjoy the feeling of beating a mission. They are so stupidly difficult that i feel i have really accomplised something when i complete one. I literally scream and yell and jump up and down with joy. But those fleeting few moments do not outweigh the days of total frustration when im figuring out the missions. Totally not worth the effort. The rewards are GENERALLY terrible, some are excellent. I really think that given the difficulty, every mission should have a prize car, and that the cars should be the best in the game.

It really, really, bothers me to know that i will never complete the game. I thought games were supposed to be fun? This is far from fun. Fun instantly ends once you have hit the brick wall and stop making consistent forward progress.

I wish i knew PD's phone number so i could express my displeasure with the game i waited YEARS for.

I wish PD knew that i bought a playstation only for there game, and that the only two games i have ever owned are GT3, and GT4.

I wish i could get a refund, it just is not worth the frustration.

So do you think a DFP would help me 100% the game?

Im in the ALBANY NY area. Any super-players near me that could help me out? I'm not the kind of person who gives up.

Thanks for listening.

 

[Wolfe]

Sounds to me like the driving physics don't match up to what you're instinct tells you, given your experience... 💡

 

[eastley]

First of all i think overall the game is ok, but something is just so glaring, so wrong i just have to vent about it.

My current status: 76.4%

11237 a spec points (5,429 miles)
5412 b spec points (7,508 miles)

14 golds
19 silvers
47 bronze

Machine skill 71?
Course skill 54?
Battle skill 51?

Win ratio 47.3%

What is with the times PD chose for licencing and missions? Some of them are practically impossible. I know some of you are 100%, I dont care. Do not post here

MY GRIPE: the game does not in any way tell you what you have done wrong at all.

Based on split times of my best efforts (licencing) i can tell where im going wrong but i have no idea why. And here is the real rub: In real life im an excellent racer. i frequently race real cars on real road racing circuts and do extremely well. Last time my car club drove 4 hours down to F1 boston and i set the fastest lap record. I am not a novice, i have read several racing books, been to schools. And im a scientist at work 40 hours a week. I know how the area under the velocity plot is my total time. I just can't figure out why it seems impossible for me to gold and sometimes silver the licences. they seem so simple. I have the most problems with the guided laps.

I wonder how much of my problem is the DS2 controller? I do not have a DFP and am not really interested in buying one.

I literally get in a rage playing the game, right now im trying to SILVER A-15. I am consistently doing a lap at 2:07.5 only half a second from my silver goal. I've done it countess times untill i get so angry i have to turn off the game. This totally ruined the game for me. Ruined. How do they expect kids to beat this? (all golds) (im 28)

How did PD set these times? Did they use a wheel? Perhaps a computer sets the time? I just can't see how sombody made the decision to make the goals this hard. It just is not fun in any way. I find it extremely hard to believe that there are people out there that are going to be able to gold these things without serious frustration.

Mission hall is just insane, absolutley retardedly difficult. I have NOT completed (13-20, 31,33,34) all others i have beaten. I really enjoy the feeling of beating a mission. They are so stupidly difficult that i feel i have really accomplised something when i complete one. I literally scream and yell and jump up and down with joy. But those fleeting few moments do not outweigh the days of total frustration when im figuring out the missions. Totally not worth the effort. The rewards are GENERALLY terrible, some are excellent. I really think that given the difficulty, every mission should have a prize car, and that the cars should be the best in the game.

It really, really, bothers me to know that i will never complete the game. I thought games were supposed to be fun? This is far from fun. Fun instantly ends once you have hit the brick wall and stop making consistent forward progress.

I wish i knew PD's phone number so i could express my displeasure with the game i waited YEARS for.

I wish PD knew that i bought a playstation only for there game, and that the only two games i have ever owned are GT3, and GT4.

I wish i could get a refund, it just is not worth the frustration.

So do you think a DFP would help me 100% the game?

Im in the ALBANY NY area. Any super-players near me that could help me out? I'm not the kind of person who gives up.

Thanks for listening.

Being a real life driver is nothing like this game, and all you have to do is drive faster, smoother, and more consistant pace in GT4. On my first game save I have one more thing to do, mission 34, and I only have trouble with that because the car is not my favourite and I have trouble remembering the track, if I spent hours and hours learning the pair I will get it, but I can't be bothered.

I am what I call an average skilled GT4 racer and I can pass most of the game, I am sure you can.

 

[RICHARDO]

Dude, for one it's a game, no need to go insane over a damn game. Two, yes the wheel (or lack of one) is problably the reason why you feel like this. Three it really shouldn't be that difficult for you, unless you're so in-tune with how a real automobile drives that GT4's "realism" is really ****ing with your preception. My solution is to either one, get a DFP or two, get Enthusia or three, do both. Oh yeah, I agree they should of done the prize cars diffrently but what are you gonna do?

 

[Lemke]

I've gotten gold on most of the lisence tests and have beaten all but the last three Missions, all with the DS2. I'm not saying it was easy but all it took was practice pratice practice.













I have a feeling that wasnt the answer you were looking for.

 

[amp88]

You say in real life you're a fast driver (and set a lap record at a track). How much time did it take for you to get to this level in real life?

I've completed all of the GT games and have played them extensively after doing so. I've no idea how many hours I've put in over the years, but I'd guess at least in the hundreds.

What I think you need to do is just to practice at the game. You can't really expect to pick it up and start golding licenses left, right and centre. The best I've done in the licenses was 20 odd gold and the rest silver, and as I said before, I consider myself an experienced GT player.

Try just taking a few different cars round a few different tracks for a bit of a practice, don't just play to pass the licenses/driving missions. Try to understand the physics of the game through exploration under your own bounds and then step up to the real tests.

I bought the DFP not so long ago (and had a steering wheel for GT1 and 2 before that) and it really does make a difference. Throttle control with the DFP is just so much more precise than with the DS2 controller. Getting a 'feel' for what the car's doing through the wheel is another (vital) input, IMHO. If you can, borrow one from a friend/nephew/niece, or at least try one out in a shop.

Try taking a look here at daan's site for some videos of successful License and Mission runs. They might give you a few pointers...

 

[Kent]

I use the DS2. 👍
(I'm also at 100% with golds on pretty much everything except for one of the S-license Rally runs)

My suggestion for you:

Get an AR MaxDrive.

Not for codes and cheats, but so you can legitimately participate on the next level of GT.

It may sound silly, but if you start racing in the WRS with a replay device to view the other drivers' laps as well as to show your own, it will only be a matter of time before your skills go well beyond what PD considers to be "good."

I wouln't ask that you trust me on this since you may not know me.

However, look into this.
Go check out how fast the racers of the WRS are.

Take a chance and see if I'm right.

You may be suprised.

 

[HiyakuShiro]

I was much like you when I first started out,to the point I've almost smashed controlers!(sigh*)

the simplest way I found to deal with this is to watch the demo run, it's

always a little faster than the gold time(not by a hole lot but you dont

need to post a 4 second faster time)try to burn that line in your head, if

you can copy the line it will be easyer to get gold,it's something I've

done since GT3(this may or may not be the best for you). No you don't

need a dfp(altohugh it would bring your experince of the game to a new

level) I've done them all gold with ds2 (I'm 21 young but no kid )

and I work full time so I don't have huge amounts of time. Try to calm

yourself is the best thing you can do, turning off the game can help if

your stressed out but, try it again as soon as you cool down or have

time,no one here is a pro but, like you I've had time on the track (Mont

Tremblant, Montreal Quebec Ca) I'm not to great on the track but, GT4 isn't like real life (as

you must realise damn cpu cars never give up the line).

 

[Vr6Fidelity]

This may be mind blowing to you guys but i NEVER look at the demo untill i am trying to go from silver to GOLD. I feel that my skills would improve more to learn from my mistakes than to just follow the example replay. When i look at the replay i feel that it takes all the fun out of learning the correct line on my own.

I like to see how good i am at making judgement calls on whether is would be faster overall to (A) brake early and gas sooner, or (B) Trail brake around a curve maximizing my amount of time at high velocity on a straight. Obviously long straights after turns require choice A. But i have found the physics engine to heavily reward A or B for different areas of different tracks.

Hills and low powered cars make these decisions tricky. (this licence im on now) When the shadow car is available, i spend tons of time perfecting this. The shadow car is infinatley more usefull than the colored line which is usefull to a lesser extent. The guide run car is useless for this sort of scientific improvement.

I honesty thought that by figuring out these minor intricacies of the game i would be all that much better off in the online racing series which i have never tried yet.

Believe it or not i just got a home laptop and internet, so now i can watch the GOOD replays of missions at home while playing the game instead of writing down all the split times, cornering speeds, and apex notes which is what i had to do to beat mission 11. Sort of a Cliffs notes if you will for the internet-less. I did beat mission 11 this way by i think 3 full seconds.

My point is it just dosent need to be this hard to beat a videogame.

I will commence my replay studies earlier i guess. I just wish i could load the gold time replay into the analyzer and compare that to my run.

 

[amp88]

I will commence my replay studies earlier i guess. I just wish i could load the gold time replay into the analyzer and compare that to my run.

Well, if you do as Kent suggested and get the MaxDrive, you could request replay files for certain missions from people in the same region as you. Then you could download someone's gold replay and stick it on your memory card to compare it.

 

[kennythebomb]

I would think a real racer would have an easy time with the game.

Although, skills as a real race car driver do not translate well to a PS2 controller.... some people never get used to them.

 

[Perfect Balance]

Try pressing R3 or L3 for the racing line to show up, that sometimes helps if you nail it correctly.

 

[HiyakuShiro]

Ah well I tryed.

 

[Appie]

you did your best

 

[wonderificdave]

The DFP is THE BOMB. After you get used to it, you will find it much easier to drive consistently and conquer more difficult driving techniques.

I have played gt, gt2, and gt3 all with the standard playstation and then playstation 2 controllers. They work fine for racing the AI, but for license tests I never even bothered. I bought the DFP when it came out and played GT3 and now GT4. The difference is AMAZING. The DS2 just does not give you the feedback or degree of input that the DFP has.

1. Throttle / Brakes. I believe this is the biggest area of improvement. With the DS2 it is nearly impossible to ease off the brakes into a turn or lightly get on the throttle coming out of a turn and gradually increase throttle. The license tests HEAVILY test you on this. It doesn't surprise me that your most trouble comes in the guided laps because you have to pull a consistently fast lap - which is damn near impossible for me with the DS2. I'm sure people have done it, but I don't have the finger dexterity for that.

2. Steering FEEDBACK. This is a big improvement - you can feel how much grip is left in the front tires, understeer and oversteer. It is truly amazing to FEEL that you can't hit the apex, so you have to trail break or lift off the throttle to hit the apex.

3 Steering input. The difference is just enormous - the analog stick just doesn't compare to a racing wheel.

I am not at 100%, but I have won all the missions (including 34 NTSC). They are definitely hard, and will be frustrating, but with the DFP, it is actually FUN! With the DS2 I always felt like I was trying to press buttons in the correct sequence and pressure. With the DFP I feel like I'm driving. Yes it's pricey, but if you consider how much real racing costs, it's not that much. And, we mere mortals will never really race an f1 car on the nurburgring - this is as close as we can get. And the DFP takes you closer.

The DFP won't be the magic bullet. You will have to get used to it, and then relearn the tracks. I switched to the bumper cam view when I got the DFP. This is truly an odd view, but you get used to it. The view of the car from behind just doesn't make sense with a wheel. The roof cam may be better, but I'm used to the other one from GT3.

Also you will have to learn how to trail brake with the DFP. But once you get all that down, I think you will have the experience I had last month. I had finished Mission 34 (NTSC) and decided to try some license tests. (In the previous GT's I had completely ignored them after passing them - way too hard for me to beat.) I just tried a few and I started winning golds. Some of them I golded after 2-3 tries. I was shocked. I've golded B, and A except for rallies and 4 supers and the nurburgring ones in the evos.

 

[Alfaholic]

Firstly, VR6, you seem to contradict yourself by firstly complaining that PD does not indicate where you are going wrong, and then saying that you do not watch the demos because it takes the fun out of the game. Also, you mention in real life that you have read plenty of books on driving (and I suppose racing technique) which shows you are not above taking instruction to improve yourself on the circuit. To strengthen this point, you also point out that you are willing to accept help from others in your area. The demo videos can be extremely helpful, and not neccessarily by giving you all the answers, but just showing you where to look for them.

Secondly, I share your frustration, and I spent most of the game with little hope of getting all golds. I found it more frustrating than satisfying beating the missions, in particular mission 34 which has such a long turn-around time. Was I elated when I completed it? Not at all. In fact if I remember, my response was to throw two fingers up at the screen and utter a silent vow never to visit that mission again. The licenses, on the other hand, don't even need to be gold. So I got the frustrating missions out of the way relatively early (at around the 75% mark) so I could enjoy finishing the game a little more. Up until that point my licenses were mostly bronze. After the missions I had another crack at the licenses and found that by that time I had the skills and familiarity with the tracks to get rid of all the bronzes, but I still only had 22 golds.

Once I had got 100% (yeah I know you didn't want to hear from guys who have done it) I challenged myself to get all golds, and once again the practise made it easier. They were impossible for me at 75% but by the time I reached 100%, gold licenses became possible (but still not easy). I'm not a GT4 god. I beat them by running them over and over again until I was going as fast as I knew how. If that wasn't fast enough, I examined all the data available to me, which was variations in my own times and speeds at various points on the circuit, what lines worked and what didn't, and by examining the demo to see where I was keeping up, and where I was losing time, so I knew where to concentrate my efforts. No point in overdriving the first corner if you are already on the pace, the law of diminishing returns suggests that it is wasted effort. Rather look at where you lose place, and experiment there.

Some licenses needed a specific technique from me to complete (left foot braking on two of them, when for the rest of the game I used my right foot, and for a couple of others I found it faster to take certain corners a gear up on what felt right) but in general the key was to enter some corners more slowly so I could get on the power earlier anc carry more speed down the next straight, or get a better line into the next corner. I beat them by practise, analysis, experimentation, and implementation of new ideas. Not by driving skill. Oh, and I can't imagine even trying it with a DS2, I have no finesse with that thing, though others on this forum have managed. I used a Driving Force wheel, but not a Driving Force Pro since I can't afford one.

I certainly didn't find all this fun, it was a neccessary evil that had to be beaten if I wanted the Model T. And now that it's done, I enjoy the game much more.

They seem impossible at first, but once you've done them it's like learning clutch control. You start to wonder where the problem was.

 

[soptom]

If it's just the licences and missions you can't do, have a look at the replays and demos in the licences and missions page on this forum, it helped to show where I was going wrong.
If it's the whole game you are finding frustrating, just accept that GT4 might not be for you.

 

[Cosmic]

Yeah, I garee on the lisence
part but not on the Mission part. The missions are so easy! Especially the 1 lap missions.
Tought, GT4 is unrealistic, that's why I don't play it anymore. It's frustrating, the understeering and the poor engine sounds.

Have fun....

 

[AMG.]

@VR6, I'm not much of a gamer and my PS2 has only ever seen the GT4 disc.

I'm frustrated at this game sometimes but I also recognise that I am making improvements over (a long) time. The Alpine and Speedster races are well beyond my (current) capabilities and so are most of the "le mans" type cars / races.
For the time being I'm leaving them well alone.

The peugeot 206 races eluded me too. However when I tried this yesterday I managed to score 5x 200 points. There are times that like Alfa I too throw 2 fingers at the screen. Sometimes followed by a couple of expletives.

I sometimes believe everyone else on this forum is a far better driver than I am and there will be many a driver out there that are better.

Then once in a while I see a post like yours and it's comforting to see I'm not the only one that has the occasional 'challenge' with the game or has to put in lots and lots and lots of effort to beat either a mission, a licence and/or a race.

Just hang in there! (It's a game and it has it's flaws)

AMG

 

[Duke]

Vr6F, you've got the makings to do it. Part of the problem, contradictorily, is your real life experience. GT4 is good, even great in some ways, but not perfect. You'll find that since there is no motion feedback, your virtual car is often travelling much faster than it seems, and you tend to overdrive corners. All of this input is processed naturally in your real car, but requires careful and constant thought to do with visuals only in the game.

The biggest problem is the DS2 controller for GT4. GT3 was not hard to play with a DS2, but GT4 punishes overcontrolling so harshly that I found a wheel to be a must-have for GT4. And this coming from a man who bought a wheel for GT3 and disliked it. I played GT3 to 100% on the handheld controller, but I got about 2% into GT4 before I realized the DFP was a stone cold necessity. Also, the DFP's feedback is really quite detailed, and it definitely gives you a non-visual data set to help you understand what the chassis is doing.

The DFP can be had for just over $100 these days, and I built a small, unobtrusive wheel-and-pedals stand for about $40. There are some simple stands commercially available (one was available on eBay for about $80, and looked great) for $100-300. But if you get a wheel, a solid, comfortable, mounting place is a requirement, or you'll hate it, too.

I'm not a top-tier GT4 player by any means. But practice and the DFP have gotten me to gold on the first three licenses, and silver on the last two.

By the way, the gold times are set by actual runs by members of the PD development team. Good luck!

 

[Eric.]

I'm going to break up your quote and add in my responses in bold


Vr6Fidelity: First of all i think overall the game is ok, but something is just so glaring, so wrong i just have to vent about it.

My current status: 76.4%

11237 a spec points (5,429 miles)
5412 b spec points (7,508 miles)

14 golds
19 silvers
47 bronze

Machine skill 71?
Course skill 54?
Battle skill 51?

Win ratio 47.3%

What is with the times PD chose for licencing and missions? Some of them are practically impossible. They are not practically impossible because many people, including myself, have beaten them. I have gotten gold up to S-12, which only took about a week to do. I need to work on S-12 some more, I messed with it for a couple hours and decided I better give it a rest.

I know some of you are 100%, I dont care. Do not post here Great first impression there, you just lowered the respect you are going to get around here.

MY GRIPE: the game does not in any way tell you what you have done wrong at all. You weren't fast enough. Simple as that. Go faster, brake late, apex correctly.]

Based on split times of my best efforts (licencing) i can tell where im going wrong but i have no idea why. See above.

And here is the real rub: In real life im an excellent racer. i frequently race real cars on real road racing circuts and do extremely well. Last time my car club drove 4 hours down to F1 boston and i set the fastest lap record. I am not a novice, i have read several racing books, been to schools. This isn't real life, see above.

And im a scientist at work 40 hours a week. I know how the area under the velocity plot is my total time. I just can't figure out why it seems impossible for me to gold and sometimes silver the licences. they seem so simple.

I have the most problems with the guided laps. Drive smoothly, stay on the track, do not hit or pass the pace car. Draft whenever possible.

I wonder how much of my problem is the DS2 controller? I do not have a DFP and am not really interested in buying one. People have gotten all golds with a DS2, but I can't use it very well. I've used the DFP exclusively. I played (and got 100%) on GT3 with the DS2 only, but there is less realism there and the analog stick is much more sensitive in GT4.

I literally get in a rage playing the game, right now im trying to SILVER A-15. I am consistently doing a lap at 2:07.5 only half a second from my silver goal. I've done it countess times untill i get so angry i have to turn off the game. This totally ruined the game for me. Ruined. If you can't gold (let alone silver) a test, watch the demo and take notes. Memorize the lines, the speeds, and the braking points. When you get within a few tenths but can't seem to get the rest, take a break. Go drive around the Nurburgring or take a break from the game altogether, it works everytime (except for S-12 right now ). PD does not force you to get all golds, so you are letting it ruin the game for you.

How do they expect kids to beat this? (all golds) (im 28) I'll be 16 the 10th of January.

How did PD set these times? Did they use a wheel? Perhaps a computer sets the time? They drove them, watch the demos. If the GT4 AI could set a time within 10% of the bronze, I would be amazed.

I just can't see how sombody made the decision to make the goals this hard. They were harder in GT3, people have complained about them being too easy at times in GT4. Its not like they are supposed to be easy for everyone to go through and beat every license in about an hour each on their first or second attempt.

It just is not fun in any way. I find it extremely hard to believe that there are people out there that are going to be able to gold these things without serious frustration. I think they are a lot of fun compared to racing in GT4 with the Artificial Idiots.

Mission hall is just insane, absolutley retardedly difficult. I have NOT completed (13-20, 31,33,34) all others i have beaten. I really enjoy the feeling of beating a mission. They are so stupidly difficult that i feel i have really accomplised something when i complete one. I literally scream and yell and jump up and down with joy. But those fleeting few moments do not outweigh the days of total frustration when im figuring out the missions. Totally not worth the effort. The rewards are GENERALLY terrible, some are excellent. I really think that given the difficulty, every mission should have a prize car, and that the cars should be the best in the game. Missions are all hard(besides some of the slipstreaming and passing missions, and the Lotusii on HSR), as they are supposed to be. They are supposed to give you a challenge, after all, the AI never gives you one. I think you would be complaining more if you did get the best cars from missions, because you can't beat them.

It really, really, bothers me to know that i will never complete the game. Does "100%" mean that much to you? It's not like it is a huge accomplishment that you must have. I understand if you want to get some of the prize cars, but you can download a game save for that. I think you need to learn that GT4 is not just a game that you are supposed to get 100% in and move to the next game. Try actually driving around Nurburgring or one of the other tracks and trying out all 720 cars.[B/]

I thought games were supposed to be fun? This is far from fun. Fun instantly ends once you have hit the brick wall and stop making consistent forward progress. I guess you should just sell your PS2 and both GTs then.

I wish i knew PD's phone number so i could express my displeasure with the game i waited YEARS for. Be sure to take some lessons in Japanese. I find it quite funny that you want to call a game developer to complain that you can't beat their game because you aren't good enough.

I wish PD knew that i bought a playstation only for there game, and that the only two games i have ever owned are GT3, and GT4. Why? They wouldn't care.

I wish i could get a refund, it just is not worth the frustration. Sell 'em on eBay.

So do you think a DFP would help me 100% the game? It could, but I doubt it would help you because of your attitude.

Im in the ALBANY NY area. Any super-players near me that could help me out? I'm not the kind of person who gives up. Super-players weren't supposed to post here, though...

Thanks for listening."


P.S. I've had the game since the release date (at 8:00PM...) and have just recently attempted gold on anything.

 

[James2097]

I have a feeling that the "normal" mainstream gamer was never supposed to get 100%. This is why the majority of GT Mode is so easy. The gold licenses and missions etc are just for crazy enthusiasts like us, and as such need to be made tricky enough to make us mad!

 

[Famine]

What is with the times PD chose for licencing and missions? Some of them are practically impossible.

None of them are. Look here, and scroll through.

MY GRIPE: the game does not in any way tell you what you have done wrong at all.

Apart from providing a replay for every single one of the licences?

I wonder how much of my problem is the DS2 controller?

I use the DS2. I'm also a button basher - no sticks for me, squire. And I've got all golds on the licences, and all missions completed. I wouldn't say I'm one of the not-allowed-to-post super players either.

(im 28)

Snap.

I just can't see how sombody made the decision to make the goals this hard. It just is not fun in any way. I find it extremely hard to believe that there are people out there that are going to be able to gold these things without serious frustration.

Out of interest, WHY are you trying to Gold them if you can't? They don't add any percentage towards the game.

Mission hall is just insane, absolutley retardedly difficult. I have NOT completed (13-20, 31,33,34) all others i have beaten. I really enjoy the feeling of beating a mission. They are so stupidly difficult that i feel i have really accomplised something when i complete one. I literally scream and yell and jump up and down with joy. But those fleeting few moments do not outweigh the days of total frustration when im figuring out the missions.

Try daan's Mission Hall videos, containing replays you can watch on your computer showing how to do most of the missions you mention. Some are replays of his, some are replays of mine - all are good enough to pass, but not SO good that you can't follow them.

I wish i knew PD's phone number so i could express my displeasure with the game i waited YEARS for.

Makes you wonder why they don't publish it, really.

 

[James2097]

Poetry is Famine's pwning.

 

[Alfaholic]

I think they are a lot of fun compared to racing in GT4 with the Artificial Idiots.

 

[soptom]

I would just add that in my humble opinion, ebiggs' attitude is worse than Vr6Fidelity's. Whereas Vr6 is obviously frustrated and letting off steam, ebiggs has nothing to complain about except another members attitude, does that make his derogatory post better or worse than Vr6's?

 

[Moloch_horridus]

You weren't fast enough. Simple as that. Go faster, brake late, apex correctly.

Almost without exception on those tests that gave me trouble I found that braking earlier was the solution.

 

[Vr6Fidelity]

First of all the people who come in here to bash AND CLEARLY NOT EVEN READ my post are the people who make this webiste terrible.

Thinks i learned:

1. golds do not increase your percentage (shocking)

2. you can draft the pace car, i HEARD it but assumed drafting was disabled.

3. The wheel will allow me to feel the grip of the front wheels????

Observations:

1. I love it when people point out the obvious. Of course im overdriving, every time i have ever bettered my time it was from braking earlier.

2. I have slightly limited finger dexterity due to a genetic condtition.

3. I need a wheel.

4. Some people have nothing to do but tear others down. I am above you.

5. where the heck is the spell checking? why is this website at turtle speed?

 

[Famine]

1. golds do not increase your percentage (shocking)

Better still, the licences themselves don't either. You don't even NEED the S-licence to get 100% (if you're happy letting B-Spec Bob loose in an F1 car).

2. I have slightly limited finger dexterity due to a genetic condtition.

Purely professional curiousity - what condition? PM me if you aren't happy with it being in open forums.

3. I need a wheel.

I'd say you don't. But, in your case, with the genes and everything, I would be 100% sure of that.

5. where the heck is the spell checking? why is this website at turtle speed?

In your head, or use a word processor. It's not really massively important as you clearly aren't typing like a pillock.

And the site seems okay to me. *shrugs*

 

[Eric.]

Almost without exception on those tests that gave me trouble I found that braking earlier was the solution.

I was expecting him to be braking too early from real-life experience.