Another 2 years?!?!

[LVracerGT]

People expect way to much from a console.....

I strongly disagree. The PS3 is definitely advanced enough to handle what could have been put into GT5.

 

[shurnster]

I don't think that's accurate... GTHD and GTVision were what they were working on since GT4 for PS3, GT5P is what they created when they scrapped GTVision/GTHD

.

What I said:

The thing about game engines is that to get the most of the hardware they have to be built from stratch for that hardware. Gran Turismo HD was basically the PS2 game engine ported to the PS3, and therefore it looked like the PS2 game only in HD, therefore to take it to the next level they needed a game engine designed for the PS3. And yes some code have been imported from the previous engine from preventing errors.

What? I already mentioned that

While PD considers GT5P and GT5 to be seperate games, in reality GT5P is more or less GT5 Beta or GT5 v0.8 or some such... they have significant differences but GT5P is really little more than a tech build of where they were with GT5.

Basically in this timeline you could replace the world "Prologue" with Beta and it would be all the same other than numeclature.

Who doesn't know that?

I did have a gut drop feeling close to launch that they had totally fudged the damage and were trying to get it right before launch but it just wasn't happening... that's hardly expecting it though... and I never expected that you would have to ram cars into walls for 20 minutes on end to get a door to swing open.

You actually did that for 20 mins? haha

So no... I don't think I (or most people) were expecting anything close to what we ended up getting.

Oh it's still happening plenty, although the ciriticism now is less "your an idiot GT5 will be perfect" and more "Your an idiot you shouldn't have believed them when they told you these things would be in the game and you shoudln't have believed me when I told you perfection was worth waiting for because nothigns perfect!"

OMG have anybody critisized you!? Sorry to hear that.

So before GT5 was released, you were bascally was trying to warn other people not to have high hopes for our expectations? Is your goal trying to convince everybody to help you critisize PD? I'm not saying it's anything wrong with that but i'm just curious.

I actually think Jordan has other things to worry about than GT5... if I recall he didn't even play his copy until weeks after release and my gut feeling is he is more concerned with the business side of growing this site. Can't blame him on that one...

I agree

But you are telling me what to do (resell the game) and you are the one who told me to email PD... that's a direct implication to stop doing what I am doing and do something else.

If you're not satisfied with the title. It's your choice. Doing what?

I loved GT and the GT series and I am as intrested as anyone in it becoming better... the way to that is not to pretend nothings wrong, sell my copy and quietly hope the next version is better... if you recall silent hopes were what filled the years leading up to GT5 (although arguably they were more reasonable considering GT's history at that point).

Can I ask, if I don't like how the country is being run, should I vote or should I move to a new country? It seems like your advice would be just move...

Why don't you join Rush Limbaugh he's leaving the US if the healthcare passes (old news). Just kidding.

You must be psychic or work for PD then...

You knew how the damage system would be implimented and how light the implimentation would be?

The damage system was highly critisized before GT5 came out.

You knew 80% of the cars would be straight ports from previous GT games?

That was already mentioned before the release. Where were you all these years?

You knew you wouldn't be able to swap/paint wheels on 80% of the cars?

This was mentioned also before the release.

You knew the career progression would be level locked and have a built in grind wall?

What?

You knew there would be no online hoppers and you knew that despite saying you can invite people directly from in game on the box, you wouldn't actually be able to?

Give me better details on that one. I don't know what you mean.

Well there you go then... eye candy and physics... if that's all you are looking for, then indeed GT5 might well satisfy. Those are, after all, the meat and potatoes of what has sold the GT series thus far.

The reason why I've bought GT5 is to experience with the wheel. I was only interested in the graphics and physics. I play other games like grid, burnout, nfs etc.

But that doesn't excuse or remove the importance of the rest of the features and only cements more in my mind why your claims that Kaz should be not to blame are not helping the situation... you don't care as much about the main issues....

What's wrong with my opinions? Anybody is entitled to share their own. When I've mentioned about "stop blaming Kaz", I was only stating that some other people would take it the wrong way and I was thinking that hatred will just keep building resulting in threatening and injuries.

If I don't care about the main issues is that a problem?

When I said "my bad dude". I meant I was wrong about freaking out such as threats and injuries.

If you only care about taking gorgeous pictures of a 370z then photomode is pretty much perfect and you have nothing to complain about... but it also means you are a pretty biased person to go measuring who others should be holding accountable for short falls.

I only care about graphics and physics. You just called me biased and said I work for PD. I could have said you're working for MS but I didn't. I just said I'm sorry for Kaz and PD offended anybody in any kind of way. I really meant that. I just feel if I say anything slightly positive about GT you're going to critisize me.

Knowing that you're writing big comments. It tells me you're really bothered by PD. If GT6 doesn't come out 3 years from now im sure it would be for the ps4. I'm not even stoping you from doing anything. I was just stating my own advice to you to help you out. Hope you let out some steem

 

[freedomweasel]

People expect way to much from a console.....

A lot of the features being asked for are present in other console games. Most of the requests revolve around consistency, and more options, not doubling the pixel count or something.

 

[LVracerGT]

shurnster - do you realize the better part of your arguments make no sense?

 

[LVracerGT]

Does anyone else see that they have GT5 scheduled for 2008? Or am I seeing things?
Kinda justifies the whole point of this thread.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

A lot of the features being asked for are present in other console games. Most of the requests revolve around consistency, and more options, not doubling the pixel count or something.

Not to mention some things that are being asked for are super simple and were present in previous GT games. Like more offline events and challenges (GT3 and GT4 have more than GT5), being able to save during championships (present in GT3 and GT4), and being able to save tunes to a memory card. (Feature in GT3)

 

[Seismica]

A lot of the features being asked for are present in other console games. Most of the requests revolve around consistency, and more options, not doubling the pixel count or something.

I think you underestimate how long it took PD to make the game engine run as smoothly as it does on the hardware. The PS3 (And indeed, it's main console rival) only has 512MB of RAM, which is pathetic by todays standards.

But therein lies one of the problems; they spent far too long on the graphical aspect of the game.

If they were developing for PC they would have created the graphics engine in half the time, but it most likely would have required well over double the resources to run.

We have to be realistic, GT is one of Sony's flagship titles. Regardless of the quality of this game it was going to sell by the millions on the back of the previous games in the series. The only requirement that Sony put on PD was some shiny graphics to look good in trailors and show off the console's potential. If you weren't disappointed by this game as a whole, you didn't play GT4.

The development time still remains somewhat of a mystery to me. And it's quite odd, because I was jumping to their defence before release, thinking they had something up their sleeves.

 

[LVracerGT]

I think you underestimate how long it took PD to make the game engine run as smoothly as it does on the hardware. The PS3 (And indeed, it's main console rival) only has 512MB of RAM, which is pathetic by todays standards.

I will have to see proof to back this up. Because my graphics card in my computer is 512 and it struggles with newer games and there is no way it could handle GT5. I could be wrong, but that seems way off.

Kaz himself has even stated how the game would be more suited for the next console (PS4). This just confirms that Kaz and PD spent way too much time and resources on an unrealistic standard, and the game as a whole has suffered because of it.

 

[shurnster]

Kaz himself has even stated how the game would be more suited for the next console (PS4). This just confirms that Kaz and PD spent way too much time and resources on an unrealistic standard, and the game as a whole has suffered because of it.

He also stated about using the same premium cars from GT5 to the ps4. He stated that the development with the premiums took a year to make in one of the articles adding that the standard cars won't be able to have interior views. My guess is I don't think PD isn't going to focus in other areas as long as they finish the graphical side first on the next title.

Also he mentioned that he was thinking about livery editor. But he doesn't want to include it in GT5.

 

[freedomweasel]

I think you underestimate how long it took PD to make the game engine run as smoothly as it does on the hardware. The PS3 (And indeed, it's main console rival) only has 512MB of RAM, which is pathetic by todays standards.

But therein lies one of the problems; they spent far too long on the graphical aspect of the game.

I'm sure a lot of work went into that. On the other hand.. they really couldn't have gotten someone to work on making the customizable gear box was actually customizable at release? More events? I mean, events have to be the easiest thing in the game to throw together. Replay controls? etc

Like you said, way too much effort appears to have been spent on getting the game to run at the technical level they wanted, and not enough time spent on making it worth while to run at that level.

 

[G36E]

PD is not a huge team alright?
They don't have as much people as you'd expect working a Racing game like the GT series.

 

[Devedander]

Dp

 

[Devedander]

Does anyone else see that they have GT5 scheduled for 2008? Or am I seeing things?
Kinda justifies the whole point of this thread.

That's nothin


http://www.joystiq.com/2005/08/24/gran-turismo-5-hitting-streets-in-2007/

The irony in one of the first few comments which says "Which means it will repeatedly be delayed until some time in 2008-2009. "

And so it was...

http://www.gamingblog.org/entry/gran-turismo-5-launch-delayed-until-next-july/

Yeah... another 2 years... sure...

.What I said:

What you also said - the one I quoted and directly responded to:

GT5 prologue by itself was in development with about 120 people since 2004. Two years before the release of GT4. It seems like they had two different titles that they were working on their hands.

I don't think GT5P was really in the works since 2004, the next GT after GT4 was in the works since then perhaps, but that was GTHD/GTVision until it got scrapped.

Who doesn't know that?

Either you didn't or you enjoy saying things that fly in the face of what you know... then again, looking at your track record, maybe you did know...

You actually did that for 20 mins? haha

Did I say I did?

So no... I don't think I (or most people) were expecting anything close to what we ended up getting.

Weird considering you said this:

Before I bought the title I was already knowing what to expect out of GT5.

Are there mutiple people at your keybaord taking turns typing? Because there doesn't seem to be any continuity in what you say or would appear to know or not know...

OMG have anybody critisized you!? Sorry to hear that.

So before GT5 was released, you were bascally was trying to warn other people not to have high hopes for our expectations? Is your goal trying to convince everybody to help you critisize PD? I'm not saying it's anything wrong with that but i'm just curious.

I don't know how much simpler I can make it or how much more I can spell it out... in case you are just a slow reader, I will type this out very slowly for you:

I only want peopel to stop baselessly creating irrational defense for legitimate and known issues while trying to differ blame from arguably the only person who can really make a differnece in the future.

Why don't you join Rush Limbaugh he's leaving the US if the healthcare passes (old news). Just kidding.

Your sense of humor is about as bad as your debate and logic skills.

The damage system was highly critisized before GT5 came out.

The crazy photoshop smudge tool was heavily criticized... that was removed. We actually saw some good damage too before launch, there was much speculation that either the smudge was improved or replaced by the better damage.

The truth was the smudge was replaced by plastic bending glass and the good damage was made virtually unaccessible via super tough cars.

That was already mentioned before the release. Where were you all these years?

This was mentioned also before the release.

Who mentioned it? Kaz or PD? Source?

Because I don't recall any mention and definitely nothing official... it wasn't until we a pre release copy of the game started floating around speculations arose

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=72727&page=47

And even then it caused as much or more confusion than clarifying anything.

BTW you are truly picking the wrong guy to ask where he was the last few years

What?

What what? You said you knew what to expect, did you expect that? That they would change how progression worked into a method never used before in any other GT game and not only that do it incredibly poorly?

Give me better details on that one. I don't know what you mean.

GT5 promised onilne matchmaking - there is no matchmaking. Matchmaking can only really occur using hoppers - see how GT5P did things and how Forza hoppers work.

GT5 says right on the box "Invite friends directly from in the game" yet it's one of the few PSN game in which there is no invite function.

You know both of those were to be expected? I doubt it and it's doubly bad since it's written on the box/manual.

You would have known that if you had, you know, been around the last few years

The reason why I've bought GT5 is to experience with the wheel. I was only interested in the graphics and physics. I play other games like grid, burnout, nfs etc.

Boy you are bad at saying something and sticking to it... you are almost as flip floppy and vauge as Kaz himself!

First it's about physics and graphics, now it's about experience with the wheel... but that's because you were only interested in teh graphics and physics... what does the wheel have to do with the graphics and why didn't you say it before and what does that have to do with the context of the question?

What's wrong with my opinions?

What's wrong with your opinion is it's factually completely unsubtantiated.

Opinions are fine, you are just being directly wrong.

Anybody is entitled to share their own. When I've mentioned about "stop blaming Kaz", I was only stating that some other people would take it the wrong way and I was thinking that hatred will just keep building resulting in threatening and injuries.

No, you laid out why you thought people should stop blaming kaz in your original post that I responded to. You gave your reasons and your logic and I showed how you were wrong on pretty much every front.

You really should be a politician... it seems to be in your nature to say things and then immediately contradict yourself.

If I don't care about the main issues is that a problem?

That's not a problem.

The problem is when you start telling others to stop blaming Kaz (for what is arguably his fault more than anyone elses) and then make excuses for the issues.

Not being bothered by the issues is not at all the same as irrationally excusing them and then telling others to stop blaming kaz based on your irrational excuses.

I have to hope you are trolling now becuase if you don't see through your own weak/flawed arguments and defenses I would be quite amazed.

I only care about graphics and physics.

WTF! You just said:

The reason why I've bought GT5 is to experience with the wheel.

You just called me biased and said I work for PD.

Where did I say anything remotely like that?

I just said I'm sorry for Kaz and PD offended anybody in any kind of way. I really meant that. I just feel if I say anything slightly positive about GT you're going to critisize me.

No you didn't JUST say that, you said something quite different actually, it's still there written in black and white on the forum.

And when did I criticize you saying anything positive about GT5? I criticized you trying to dismiss legitimate issues... you wanna say phototravel makes incredible picture? Go ahead, that's true! You wanna say the premiums are quite possibly the best card models to hit a console in game ever? Go ahead you would be right! I won't criticize you for that.

You want to say you shouldn't blame the guy who runs the company and who makes all the decisions and pretty obviously made the bad decisinos that lead to GT5's shortcommings... well of course I a going to criticize you for that! It's a completely bogus line of logic!

Knowing that you're writing big comments. It tells me you're really bothered by PD. If GT6 doesn't come out 3 years from now im sure it would be for the ps4. I'm not even stoping you from doing anything. I was just stating my own advice to you to help you out. Hope you let out some steem

Uh huh...

shurnster - do you realize the better part of your arguments make no sense?

Most people I would think clearly realize... but in this particular case I am truly curious if he does or not...

 

[MowTin]

I'm just glad that this thread is not about some topic that has been beaten to death over and over again.

 

[alvin23a]

well that explains why the Touring car championship and the Dream Car series were both left out to dry in a way.. if you notice.. theres only two premium LM cars and the ISF concept covering the DTM as far as premium goes, if they had not wasted their time with the NASCRAPS modelling each one and instead focused on the FIA and DTM (which wouldve been INSANE) they wouldve saved quite a bit of time and given these two sports racing series the respect (and fresh cars) they deserve. They missed the mark on that one, big time, both event series' are overdue for fresh metal.. the newest LM car besides the Citroen is the LM Spec II, which is a (fictional) 2004 model, and the A4 touring car is the newest DTM, which is also a 2004. last I checked, professional race drivers are not forced to use AT LEAST 6 year old race cars to win championships, because last i checked, said cars wouldve been long beaten to death by now. ironically, unless we pony up the ridiculous cost of the test car or GT Citroen, or get lucky with a 1000 ticket, we're forced to pay out of our pocket for, you guessed it, fixing up WORN OUT race cars, which amounts to $1 million ON TOP of the cost of the car itself. pick up the game PD, RMs dont cut it in my book. in fact, the RMs are so pathetic in number i think they could have been taken out all together and saved FURTHER development time for MORE actual race cars. and we would not have cared about how few in number they were or their lack thereof because they would never have been in the game in the first place. we would have instead praised the newer race cars to high heaven for being in the game, but nope, PD cut the corner again. and what happens when you cut a corner the wrong way? you hit the wall. GT5s glaring incompleteness in many aspects such as this one is that wall.

You know a lot about hitting walls don't you?

 

[alvin23a]

That's nothin


http://www.joystiq.com/2005/08/24/gran-turismo-5-hitting-streets-in-2007/

The irony in one of the first few comments which says "Which means it will repeatedly be delayed until some time in 2008-2009. "

And so it was...

http://www.gamingblog.org/entry/gran-turismo-5-launch-delayed-until-next-july/

Yeah... another 2 years... sure...




What you also said - the one I quoted and directly responded to:



I don't think GT5P was really in the works since 2004, the next GT after GT4 was in the works since then perhaps, but that was GTHD/GTVision until it got scrapped.



Either you didn't or you enjoy saying things that fly in the face of what you know... then again, looking at your track record, maybe you did know...



Did I say I did?



Weird considering you said this:



Are there mutiple people at your keybaord taking turns typing? Because there doesn't seem to be any continuity in what you say or would appear to know or not know...



I don't know how much simpler I can make it or how much more I can spell it out... in case you are just a slow reader, I will type this out very slowly for you:

I only want peopel to stop baselessly creating irrational defense for legitimate and known issues while trying to differ blame from arguably the only person who can really make a differnece in the future.



Your sense of humor is about as bad as your debate and logic skills.



The crazy photoshop smudge tool was heavily criticized... that was removed. We actually saw some good damage too before launch, there was much speculation that either the smudge was improved or replaced by the better damage.

The truth was the smudge was replaced by plastic bending glass and the good damage was made virtually unaccessible via super tough cars.

That was already mentioned before the release. Where were you all these years?



Who mentioned it? Kaz or PD? Source?

Because I don't recall any mention and definitely nothing official... it wasn't until we a pre release copy of the game started floating around speculations arose

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=72727&page=47

And even then it caused as much or more confusion than clarifying anything.

BTW you are truly picking the wrong guy to ask where he was the last few years



What what? You said you knew what to expect, did you expect that? That they would change how progression worked into a method never used before in any other GT game and not only that do it incredibly poorly?



GT5 promised onilne matchmaking - there is no matchmaking. Matchmaking can only really occur using hoppers - see how GT5P did things and how Forza hoppers work.

GT5 says right on the box "Invite friends directly from in the game" yet it's one of the few PSN game in which there is no invite function.

You know both of those were to be expected? I doubt it and it's doubly bad since it's written on the box/manual.

You would have known that if you had, you know, been around the last few years



Boy you are bad at saying something and sticking to it... you are almost as flip floppy and vauge as Kaz himself!

First it's about physics and graphics, now it's about experience with the wheel... but that's because you were only interested in teh graphics and physics... what does the wheel have to do with the graphics and why didn't you say it before and what does that have to do with the context of the question?



What's wrong with your opinion is it's factually completely unsubtantiated.

Opinions are fine, you are just being directly wrong.



No, you laid out why you thought people should stop blaming kaz in your original post that I responded to. You gave your reasons and your logic and I showed how you were wrong on pretty much every front.

You really should be a politician... it seems to be in your nature to say things and then immediately contradict yourself.



That's not a problem.

The problem is when you start telling others to stop blaming Kaz (for what is arguably his fault more than anyone elses) and then make excuses for the issues.

Not being bothered by the issues is not at all the same as irrationally excusing them and then telling others to stop blaming kaz based on your irrational excuses.

I have to hope you are trolling now becuase if you don't see through your own weak/flawed arguments and defenses I would be quite amazed.



WTF! You just said:




Where did I say anything remotely like that?



No you didn't JUST say that, you said something quite different actually, it's still there written in black and white on the forum.

And when did I criticize you saying anything positive about GT5? I criticized you trying to dismiss legitimate issues... you wanna say phototravel makes incredible picture? Go ahead, that's true! You wanna say the premiums are quite possibly the best card models to hit a console in game ever? Go ahead you would be right! I won't criticize you for that.

You want to say you shouldn't blame the guy who runs the company and who makes all the decisions and pretty obviously made the bad decisinos that lead to GT5's shortcommings... well of course I a going to criticize you for that! It's a completely bogus line of logic!



Uh huh...



Most people I would think clearly realize... but in this particular case I am truly curious if he does or not...

LOL You Sir are EPIC.

 

[Devedander]

LOL You Sir are EPIC.

LOL 👍

 

[shurnster]

I only want peopel to stop baselessly creating irrational defense for legitimate and known issues while trying to differ blame from arguably the only person who can really make a differnece in the future.

So everybody needs to stop defending Kaz.

Your sense of humor is about as bad as your debate and logic skills.

I wasn't trying to debate with you. I was trying to give you advice.

Who mentioned it? Kaz or PD? Source?

Are talking about the damages?

What what? You said you knew what to expect, did you expect that? That they would change how progression worked into a method never used before in any other GT game and not only that do it incredibly poorly?

What I mainly wanted to expect and was interested was graphics and physics that's all. Situations like premiums/standards, damages, online(not really was interested).

GT5 promised onilne matchmaking - there is no matchmaking. Matchmaking can only really occur using hoppers - see how GT5P did things and how Forza hoppers work.

Sorry I didn't look on that.

First it's about physics and graphics, now it's about experience with the wheel... but that's because you were only interested in teh graphics and physics... what does the wheel have to do with the graphics and why didn't you say it before and what does that have to do with the context of the question?

I bought the steering wheel because of the physics. I was really interested in what physics would be like on GT5.

You really should be a politician... it seems to be in your nature to say things and then immediately contradict yourself.

I really want to get into political one day.

The problem is when you start telling others to stop blaming Kaz (for what is arguably his fault more than anyone elses) and then make excuses for the issues.

I just thought that it made since because of they were focusing on other things instead of one title. In other events Kaz was giving different reason about GT5. What's done is done. Even knowing you'll and others continue blaming him on faults; what if the next title doesn't deliver other features that the fans were looking for? like livery editor, customization, engine swaps etc? What happens then? I think that every fan should have the right to ask for things they want to make the title better than what it is but I just think blaming isn't the answer sometimes in my own opinion even knowing it's his fault. I'm really glad that Jordan made the feedback for what the fans want for the title.

Is there another way to get features instead of having anger? Even knowing that there's the feedback. Like we all should one day go on playstation.com have a thread specifying what our goals want to be for GT5. For instance many socom fans are currently asking for a Socom II HD with thousands of users voting for it. Maybe you should start something like that. If you're planning to have something similar or a better plan I'll support that.

All I'm saying that GT5 already out what's done is done. We should just find a way to bring many features that we want for the next title.

My guess is that on the future of GT5 they would fix bugs, and have premiums, and new tracks for dlc.

And when did I criticize you saying anything positive about GT5? I criticized you trying to dismiss legitimate issues... you wanna say phototravel makes incredible picture? Go ahead, that's true! You wanna say the premiums are quite possibly the best card models to hit a console in game ever? Go ahead you would be right! I won't criticize you for that.

I understand now your comment makes more since.

 

[kazuyam]

I've got the impression that when we are talking about GTHD, GT HD Vision and so on, that after those games have been scrapped or released, a new development cycle started or restarted.
I really think that the development cycles and loops done with HD, Vision and any other GT game done during the time between GT4 and GT5 need to be considered as part of one great, big development cycle for GT5, because in my opinion, a lot of stuff from those former games went into the final product.
Even GT5P should be considered as part of it, even though it got it's own release, but almost everything from that game was part of the big GT5 project. Actually it was a 'screen grab' from the ongoing development.
(Standard cars/tracks from GT4/GTpsp should be considered as c o p/carry over parts, though.)

That's also how I read the screenshot from the press con.
Also nothing new to the game business. DMC was once a Resident Evil title. That RE was scrapped before it surpassed pre beta status, later on, Inafune resurrected the software, changed some story elements and whups, a new game popped out.
The development for GT5 was just a little bit more straightforward, I mean, everything had to lead up to GT5

and nope, not EA but I once worked for Ubisoft indeed.

 

[freedomweasel]

PD is not a huge team alright?
They don't have as much people as you'd expect working a Racing game like the GT series.

So? That just goes back to management. If the team is too small then they bit off more than they could chew. They needed to prioritize and start what they could finish.

 

[Custer85]

So? That just goes back to management. If the team is too small then they bit off more than they could chew. They needed to prioritize and start what they could finish.

- Mavbe the goal was not clear within the process. Maybe SONY changed their mind over and over again, making PD think they had all the time in the world, but then had to release it, when they were still in development, unable to finalise the game.

- Maybe they got destracted a bit too often by GTPSP and other projects, that SONY wanted them to do? SONY knows about the impact of anything that PD releases and does, so they may have been milking them a bit too much.

- Maybe they lost their way somewhere in between and were working on too many different features, while loosing the overall playability and polish out of sight.

- Maybe you are right and Kaz was too busy attending at shows and other events, while he should have been working on the game and keeping his crew focused. Basicly bad time and group management.

- Maybe its just speculation...


To the Discussion:

Whining about the game, trying to find the ones that are responsible and looking for every little fault in the process does not help anyone. Some people here are just interested to spread their hate for the game, instead of just returning it, or reselling it.(not targeting someone in particular here). They are trying to blame someone who is responsible for the lack of fun they had with the game, instead of just moving on. Again a lot of speculation, but maybe they want it to be a good game, because they see potential, or they just want to ruin the fun for those that were actually having fun. Just a wild guess....

What if we just list up all the things that are not perfect, so that the fanbase can voice its oppinion (wow, we actually did... ), instead of talking people down that love the game and try to defend it. They were just having fun with GT5 and dont like other people to talk bad about the ones that created it.

I like PD for giving me one of the best games this generation, not because its perfect overall, but because the driving is perfect, the thing that matters the most to me. I know there are things that are not on par with other games, or the expectations I had before the game was released, but in the end I just love the game.

Some of you seem to feel betrayed, at least thats what i can tell from the amount of whining and the way you try to find the evil ones that did you harm. You should probably sue someone, maybe PD, maybe SONY, just so you can voice your opinion to someone else, but guess what, noone will care outside the fanbase. Except for some Forza/Xbox360 fanboys, that will happyly quote you to show it to their fellow trolls, so they may spread the word, that the fans hate GT5 and PD for not being perfect.

Iam happy we got the discussion on this forum, but as far as i can see this thread is far from being productive. Its not like i dont understand the critique, but you can voice your oppinion in every other thread, that specificly handels this particular feature and make suggestions how to make it better.

In the end GTPlanet will collect many of those oppinions, like they did with the wishlist and hopefully PD will listen to us. If you got nothing else to do, then whining you are not helping anyone, but annoying everyone. I allready took part in the wishlist months ago and I feel good to see that the issues I pointed out were also recognized by others and all my desired features/cars/tracks, rank among the top 20 so far.

Iam trying to improve my English, please be patient...

 

[freedomweasel]

- Mavbe the goal was not clear within the process. Maybe SONY changed their mind over and over again, making PD think they had all the time in the world, but then had to release it, when they were still in development, unable to finalise the game.

- Maybe they got destracted a bit too often by GTPSP and other projects, that SONY wanted them to do? SONY knows about the impact of anything that PD releases and does, so they may have been milking them a bit too much.

- Maybe they lost their way somewhere in between and were working on too many different features, while loosing the overall playability and polish out of sight.

- Maybe you are right and Kaz was too busy attending at shows and other events, while he should have been working on the game and keeping his crew focused. Basicly bad time and group management.

- Maybe its just speculation...

If you note, I said "management" which, if I understand their relationship properly would include Sony. Either way, it seems that someone needed to take the reigns.

 

[LVracerGT]

- Mavbe the goal was not clear within the process. Maybe SONY changed their mind over and over again, making PD think they had all the time in the world, but then had to release it, when they were still in development, unable to finalise the game.

Maybe... this is a lame excuse for why PD didn't release a finished product on time. Sony has nothing to do with what goes into a PD game. PD does.

To the Discussion:

Whining about the game, trying to find the ones that are responsible and looking for every little fault in the process does not help anyone. Some people here are just interested to spread their hate for the game, instead of just returning it, or reselling it.(not targeting someone in particular here).

Not speaking for everyone, but I certainly did not start this thread to whine. This thread is about criticism. Hopefully constructive criticism that PD will take seriously to vastly improve their product. And I am certainly not interested in spreading my hate for GT. I have owned and played every full GT game since GT1 including GT5P. I don't want to return or resell it, because I do get some enjoyment out of the game. The issue here, is PD not living up to its potential and the standards set by todays racing/driving sims.

 

[MeToo]

Without criticism there is no prospect for improvement. I reckon for GT5 it would have been better to just do GT4 again but with additional cars and tracks, and online racing and coursemaker thrown in. That would have been better than the sloppy labia that is GT5 compared to GT4 which was the best of the series. Seriously, another 2 years to figure out that removing the fast forward b spec option is a bad idea? Oh yes please make it take 3 times as long to do a b spec race thus giving me lesss time for other races, thats just what we want isn't it.

 

[shurnster]

Without criticism there is no prospect for improvement. I reckon for GT5 it would have been better to just do GT4 again but with additional cars and tracks, and online racing and coursemaker thrown in. That would have been better than the sloppy labia that is GT5 compared to GT4 which was the best of the series. Seriously, another 2 years to figure out that removing the fast forward b spec option is a bad idea? Oh yes please make it take 3 times as long to do a b spec race thus giving me lesss time for other races, thats just what we want isn't it.

In one of the interviews Kaz mentioned about the code being dumped from the previous title. He said the creation of GT5 is just like a making a new operating system and then later adding features that you want. With that being said I think Kaz and the team wasn't planning to have all of GT4's features in GT5 but maybe adding more from GT4 into their next title.

 

[freedomweasel]

In one of the interviews Kaz mentioned about the code being dumped from the previous title. He said the creation of GT5 is just like a making a new operating system and then later adding features that you want. With that being said I think Kaz and the team wasn't planning to have all of GT4's features in GT5 but maybe adding more from GT4 into their next title.

That sounds a lot like this:

We made the foundation for your house, so you can go ahead and buy that, and have fun with the foundation. We'll be back in about 4 years with the rest of your house.

 

[shurnster]

So? That just goes back to management. If the team is too small then they bit off more than they could chew. They needed to prioritize and start what they could finish.

Since PD made probably a billion from GT they should hire some more employees.

 

[shurnster]

That sounds a lot like this:

We made the foundation for your house, so you can go ahead and buy that, and have fun with the foundation. We'll be back in about 4 years with the rest of your house.

exactly

 

[Custer85]

It sometimes sounds as if GT5 is unplayable for some people here.

 

[LVracerGT]

Sigh... refer to my last post...

Not speaking for everyone, but I certainly did not start this thread to whine. This thread is about criticism. Hopefully constructive criticism that PD will take seriously to vastly improve their product. And I am certainly not interested in spreading my hate for GT. I have owned and played every full GT game since GT1 including GT5P. I don't want to return or resell it, because I do get some enjoyment out of the game. The issue here, is PD not living up to its potential and the standards set by todays racing/driving sims.