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I did just that when looking to order my new company car, I looked at both the 320i M-Sport and the Audi A4 1.8T Quattro, and interior wise there was little to chose between the two and despite the run-flats on the 320 with the standard size wheels it rides no more harshly than the A4. The Audi was a major disapointment in terms of steering feel and feedback and overall the BMW is a nicer car.
You have no idea what gives a car a soul, the value of perceived luxury or what makes a car an 'event' do you. Have you actually driven many Jag's?
How about the fact that you rather aggressively said to M-Spec...
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So why did you say.....
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The SE spec E90 is as well put together and equipped as the M-Sport, its mainly different in trim colours and materials. I should know I looked at both, are you sure you are not referring to the ES model (the equivalent to the base spec A4)?
You claimed quite clearly that plenty of hot hatches exist on the UK market with over 180bhp and 'around' 1,200 kilos in weight. I asked you to name three, something you still have not done. So how about it?
It might have been the ES. The E92 coupe I sat in was much better than it.
No one in the market for a expensive car will end up buying an american one because they are now sligtly better. We have got vectra etc for years, they arent causing BMW or audi any trouble here.
The Chinese market has been Audi's largest export market for 1 month out of the last 60, that month being January of this year. One month that could well be an anomaly does not make China Audi's biggest export market.
No you said that Toyota makes more money (not a percentage of profit against retail) per unit than BMW, your statement was wrong.
That it does, but it also helps if you clearly state what figures you are using and provide sources for them as well.
As the E92 Coupe is currently only available in SE trim (one of the reasons for low sales at present I would imagine) its quite likely that the saloon you sat in was a base spec ES. So your statement about poor spec in an SE was also incorrect.
To add to Famine's comments on these.
Yeah, despite Lamborghini executives reportedly telling the public twice that they have killed off the any plans for another SUV. You think your source over Lamborghini's own word is enough proof to show you have absolutely no idea about the manufacturer.
No, I said its because the engine is fragile. They're high powered engines. If they hit something hard enough, like a Ferrari, or Zonda, their engines can cause a fire.
.Its funny though that Lamborghini is now adding a HUGE rear spoiler to the back end of the murcielago for when people test them
Actually everyone does. They know your full of crap because you think someone else's word of a manufacturer is better. You've proved that for the SECOND time when you thought your source was better than Audi's.
Really? Can you prove that?
And if the other cars in Jags range were anything like the X-Type I'd agree with you to a point, but they arn't. so I don't. The Jag XJ is every bit as deserving of a look into as a Mercedes S Class or a BMW 7 series by anyone in the market for such a car. The S-Type likewise compared to the 5 series and the CLK.My entire rebuttal:
Audi ave always been a big name brand. Yes they make far more cars now and dominate a larger portion of the market, but there was less cars produced back then per company in general and far more compnies occupying thoes markets that either merged or dissapeared completely. Audi have never been as big globally as BMW or Mercedes. All three compaines are improving, Audi will only overtake any of them if BMW and Mercedes for some mad reason decided to stand still in the market.
Over here they probably won't since over here we probably won't even get thoes cars, but that's not relevent to America.
I'm sure they will be.
No ones going to say any of thoes cars will fail.
Possibly, but they will never be as big over there as BMW or Mercedes imo.
You don't provide proof of things either. We win.
Which even if it was true has nothing to do with engines setting on fire for no reason, or the cars suddenly doing 90 degree turns on a straight road for no reason. All that's doing is providing more high speed grip for lesser skilled driver to get the hang of the car.Its funny though that Lamborghini is now adding a HUGE rear spoiler to the back end of the murcielago for when people test them
So.
In Europe if you ask the average person on the street to name premium luxury car brands, BMW and Mercedes are going to top the polls by a country mile.In europe audi arent
Wrong.
The X-Type, not as good as the A4, that's it. The S-Type, better than the A6, the XJ, better than the A8, the XK, better than the TT though admittedly a igher market car than the TT as well so not as fair a comparison as the others.
The A4 has never sold as highly as it's key rivals, ie BMW 3 series and Mercedes C class.
Since going on sale, BMW have predicted it will make up 25% of 3 series sales. That;'s good.
Maybe to apologise for being so wrong.
Figures.
Which sources, your not getting the hang of this. I've found conflicting sources with Audi, some really reliable ones that say Audi has actually dropped in sales and are doctoring their figures.
Which is not what you originally said.
Good, Audi's are in no way shabby, but you compared (as we found out) the bottom spec 3 seirses to what I would guess was not a bottom specced A4. Ofcourse a higher specced A4 is going to be better than the bottom specced 3-series. Audi arn't as good as the BMW's but they arn't worlds behind. They are simply just not as good.
Which article, and if your referring to the January sales, that's been covered.
Regardless of M-specs mistake, you made the argument and his mistake did not have bearing on it. The UK has been a bigger market in the past, China never has. You even posted figures that showed China still isn't. Like Scaff said, no one is saying China never will be, I firmly believe they will, and not just for Audi. But to date, they arn't.
No it's not.
You were wrong.
This is something you never seem to grasp, if you pull figures out of nowhere, people will not beleive you regardless of you being right or wrong. Especially if you have reputation for not backing them up, like you have.
But their 2.0's are still found in their lower range cars, like the A3.
Probably not, in Europe.
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Earth, I admitted that comparing the XK to the TT was off, but that's the closest to the TT that Jaguar produce. As for the others, your damn right the XJ is a better car than the A8 and the S-Type is better than the A6 too. Both not only offer the comfort of the Audi's, but they also offer a better driving experience and more, as Scaff I think put it, soul. The XJ is a better car in pretty much every way than the A8. What world are you living in Poverty? Oh that'sright, the one where Audi is the be all and end of automobiles. Audis are good, I like Audi's, I'm sure Scaff likes Audi's, but you my friend just place them on a pedestal that's far higher than they really are.S type better than A6?
XJ better than A8?
XK being compared to a TT?
what world are you living in. I will reply to the rest later.
