Aura pro bass shakers ast-2b-04 50 watt

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G219

You could experiment with mounting options by temporarily fitting one of the Aura Shakers to a small peice of wood and if you have a couple of G Cramps, try clamping the wood to different areas of the pedal assembly - above and below etc. I have even found that the shaker could be at 90 degrees to the pedals.

You could try bolting a peice of wood to the pedal mount area and having the shaker sticking out further away than the feet - it would be level with the mount.
 
Sick

I've been thinking the same thing. It's just a very small area with some obstacles underneath. I might cut some wood to size and then bolt it underneath, but not looking good.

We'll see....
 
G219

I think it is worth persisting with different mounts / brackets until you are happy with the effect on the pedals as it will add greatly to your immersion in the game. I have not yet come up with a satisfactory mount for my pedal shaker (I use a wheelstandpro as I don't have room for a rig).

For testing it is good idea to download subwoofer test tones onto your PS3. These produce a wave at different frequencies so you can accurately check the effect at different frequencies and detect then eliminate unwanted resonances (from the furniture or seat etc). I also use the replay theatre in GT5.
 
I apologize for posting this a little late on the subject but it may be useful to someone. I found this information the "hard way." I'll try to explain the situation as best I can.

A common way to set up the sound for the PS3 and TV might be something like this:

PS3 --(hdmi cable)-- TV --(optical cable)-- receiver, headphones, amp, etc.

When set up like the above, true surround sound will only make it to the TV, the TV (unless something has recently changed) will not output the separate surround sound channels on it's optical output. Thus, any audio devices downstream of the TV are only getting stereo sound. In doing this of course you will loose fidelity, especially in the subwoofer channel.

So, the way around this is to either output directly to your audio device from the PS3. You can use hdmi if your receiver supports it or hdmi. Another option, if you TV supports it, is to connect your sub amp (for the shakers) to sub channel on the back of the TV. Some have the separate channels back there, some do not.

I hope I haven't confused the subject by stating this. However, it does make quite a difference in sound if you connect it correctly vs. it just being stereo. Given the variations in how people connect things and equipment out there, I can't know how someone here has there stuff connected. However, it's good info so I figured I'd add it to the discussion. :)
 
Cheers Sick and MrBasher.

I will do the sound test today. I'll also keep searching for a way to setup the pedals.

As for my audio setup, I have a converter that turns the digital audio out from my TV to analog L/R. I plug that in to the shaker amp input, and the output goes to my sub amp. I'm not sure if that's the correct way to do it, so if I can improve, I'd appreciate any suggestions.

It's odd but I'm almost positive that in GT5 I feel L/R feedback even with only one shaker underneath. It may be a placebo though......
 
I don't know if this is common knowledge or if it still works, but this is an option: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJJTS5InHU

Then connect your digital converter thing to the PS3. However, unless the converter thing is splitting the channels out for you, it wouldn't make a difference and just be extra effort :)

Ideally, you'd want to only have the shaker amp running off the sub channel. The only simple way I can think to do this would be to have something that will split out the channels, like a surround sound receiver. :/

Edit: I am NO expert on bass shakers, so maybe it's better to have as much of the sound spectrum going into them as possible and let the amp sort it out. I dunno. However, the bass is much crisper and louder when it's on it's own channel and not through stereo. That's really all I had to add ;)
 
Thanks again MrBasher,

I'm completely clueless when it comes to audio, so I'm learning as I go along. As soon as I sort out the pedals, I'll go through my setup and adjust how it's wired. I do have a sub out (LFE out) on my amp so maybe that can go into the shaker amp?

Another reason I did it the other way was so I could easily switch between my PS3 and 360 without having to rewire.

Again, any suggestions are welcome and please forgive my ignorance.
 
G219,

Does your amp have hdmi in and out?

So, can you plug the Xbox and PS3 into the amp and then from the amp to the TV?
 
Ideally, if you can do it... Try connecting it like this:

PS3 to receiver amp via hdmi
Xbox to receiver amp via hdmi
receiver amp to tv via hdmi

LFE out on receiver amp to shaker amp

That should split things out correctly and allow you to switch between xbox and ps3 on the receiver amp.


If you cannot do that, I would connect the optical out on the PS3 to your receiver amp and then the LFE out to your shaker amp. The only bad part there is switching between PS3 and Xbox... Though you can purchase little optical switches that will allow you to select xbox or ps3.
 
Thanks yet again MrBasher

I don't have HDMI input on the receiver amp as it's old. I'll try doing it the second way and see how it goes (Optical out on TV to receiver amp, LFE out to shaker amp).
 
That won't get you what you need ;)

You have to go from the optical out on the PS3 or xbox to the receiver. Otherwise, it's just stereo sound going from the TV to the receiver.
 
mrbasher
That won't get you what you need ;)

You have to go from the optical out on the PS3 or xbox to the receiver. Otherwise, it's just stereo sound going from the TV to the receiver.
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Okay, will try that (told you I was clueless! 💡). I may need to get a proper amp.

I thought that the receiver would filter the sounds from the TV and when I connected the LFE out to the amp, I would be fine.
 
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I think some of the recent posts are making the implementation of tactile apear complicated - it can be as complicated as you want, but doesn't have to be.

If your receiver has an LFE output and you only want mono tactile then connect to that output - there will probably be an audio sub-woofer connected to it in which case use a Y splitter to feed the audio subwoofer and the tactile amp.The LFE is not a full range signal, but will be something below 200hz and might be adjustable on the receiver.

If you want stereo tactile you can use the PS3 multiout connector. It will give a full range signal so you will need to use subwoofer amps as these have the appropriate frequency filtering, or you can use a stereo amp such as the Thomann E400 plus a stereo 31 band graphic EQ such as the Behringer 3102. Stereo would normally be implemented on the seat.

You can add a mono tactile effect which would be appropriate for the pedals and gearshifter by splitting the stereo signal and using a stereo to mono converter such as the Amcor SMC. This would give you a three channel system.

You can also add LFE tactile with stereo or with the above to give 4 channels of tactile which I think is what Mr Latte recommends - but perhaps he could on this thread.

Tactile transducers are not high fidelity units and do not need a 5.1 signal. You can implement 5.1 or 7.1 tactile effects provided you have the budget for amps and graphic equalisers etc. This is an area which Mr Latte has explored, but is probably outside the budget of most gamers.

I would not recommend taking an LFE output and then splitting it up as you would be taking a very limited range mono signal and then creating a virtual stereo or surround image from it and much of the available tactile soundtrack from the game would therefore be missing.

With my own system the PS3 is connected to the TV via HDMI, but I could not get the TV to send a digital signal to the receiver / amp via optical despite the TV being only a couple of years old. The PS3 outputs 5.1 to the receiver via optical. I use the PS3 multiout to supply a three channel tactile system: left, right and mono and it works perfectly fine. I don't have the option of an LFE output as the receiver is old (but good)and doesn't have one.

My advice to G219 would be to try the LFE output from his receiver as he has a mono tactile system and also has an Xbox, which I wasn't aware of before.

Perhaps Mr Latte, Lef888 or some of the other posters with multi-channel tactile systems would comment further?
 
Thanks Sick,

Can you tell me the difference between what you're suggesting and what you would not recommend (two paragraphs before that)?
 
Sorry to add confusion to the topic. My original intent was only to suggest that the "bass" only mono really in the case I mentioned, would be better if it were coming from it's own digital channel and that TV's won't output this.

I think Sick is just saying to try connecting your shaker sub amp to the LFE output on your receiver and see how that feels.

I didn't realize you guys were messing with multichannel tactile stuff.
 
G219

I may have misunderstood, but I got the impression that there was a suggestion to convert the LFE which is a narrow frequency mono signal into a multichannel signal for tactile use.

Mr Basher - is right that it is very easy to connect the PS3 audio up wrong and not get the best results - I struggled with it for ages and it wasn't until a friend reconnected it for me that I got 5.1 audio and stereo tactile simultaneously.

Mr Basher - quite a few people on these forums are using multi-channel tactile although I think most of them are doing iracing and not playing GT5. Mr Latte has taken experimentation to an incredible level and is using multiple surround sound amps with multiple graphic equalisers. However as well as the expense it becomes difficult with multi-channel to design mountings which isolate the effect so that only the desired channel is providing the shaking - e.g. a left collision is only felt on the left side of the seat or a rear collision is only felt at the rear. Simvibe, which unfortunately is only for PC, implements a tactile shaker and channel for each wheel of the car to sense traction loss and you can then add multiple tactile to the seat for kerb and engine effects.

G219 - regarding feeling kerbs or collisions on the left or right even with just a mono system - I think you are right and I have noticed this. I think the eye notices where the signal should come from, the body senses the tactile effect and the brain then says "Oh it must have come from where the eye says it came from". For this reason I think people can get a very big improvement in their immersion in the game with just mono tactile on the seat and pedals. It costs about three times as much to implement three channel tactile, but I think it only adds about 50% to the effect.

G219 - I think Mr Basher is right and that I was suggesting trying the LFE out as an alternative to the PS3 multiout. If you find the PS3 multiout gives a better effect I presume that the XBox has a similar feature and therefore you could find a way to swap between the two.
 
G219

Apologies for delay - not been on for a few days.

In answer to your question, I'm sorry, but I don't know for certain. I had a look at your Sony manual and noted that it has a built in low frequency amplifier, I also looked at the connections diagrams. I don't think that you have an LFE output - at least I couldn't see one. I don't think this matters - it just reduces the number of connection options. I also don't have an LFE on my system as it is an old Pioneer one with the surround amp built into the subwoofer casing.
 
G219 - Lucky Man! keep us informed on how the TST209 and the Auras perform.

Presumably you will need to buy a second amp now - it might be worth making the second amp more powerful in case you end up adding extra shakers.

I note that you are going to put both Auras on the pedals - it might be worth trying one on the pedals and one on your shifter mount (I think from memory you are using a G27?).

Happy shaking!
 
How do I hook up Aura shaker with a receiver? Do I still need a amp for the shaker?
I have a old stereo receiver that I am not using, will it work?
 
Ronzer

It might be possible. I presume if it is a stereo receiver that it is an audio receiver not an AV receiver. You will need to check the specification of the receiver. The Aura shakers are 4ohm 50w rms.

If the amp section of the receiver is able to deliver the appropriate ohms and watts then you could connect an Aura (or Auras) to each channel like a normal loudspeaker. The amp would supply a full range signal and the Aura is not full range (just bass) so you would also need a Crossover, 31 band graphic EQ or FMod to restrict the signal range getting to the Aura. It might work out cheaper just to buy a subwoofer amp like the Dayton SA100, Yung SD100 or similar from Conrad.
 
Ronzer

If you already have a 5.1 AV receiver with an LFE output and you have a spare stereo receiver (if it is the right spec) you could connect it to the LFE output from your AV receiver (use a Y splitter if a subwoofer is already connected to the LFE). The signal will probably be below 200Hz so you may want to restrict it to about 100Hz with a low pass filter such as FMod.
 

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