Aussie Rides? Eh? (Previously 'GT4 is dying off')

  • Thread starter Thread starter Rotary Junkie
  • 316 comments
  • 21,853 views
America? I'm Australian, as is the I6 in the Torana- which would beat a 240Z in any kind of race. It's lighter and torquier. But I understand- you never got Toranas or Monaros or Commodores (not the real ones anyway) throughout history, therefore you never grew up knowing what awesome cars they are/can be and are sceptical.
 
pushrod is pushrod, no matter where it's from. Even japanese pushrod engines suck. And there are only few american cars that i could consider owning. Australian cars don't fit my taste, especially modern ones since they're just badge-engineered american or german cars.
 
I beg your pardon, the core product Commodore is Australian- we send it evrywhere else. Besides, I don't hear you ever complaining about Lexus or Infini being badge engineered Toyotas and Nissans- you're just biased. Simple fact is that for any company to stay alive these days with domb fuel prices and domber customers is to make things universal.
 
I am intentionally trying to stay out of this but..


Simple fact is that for any company to stay alive these days with domb fuel prices and domber customers is to make things universal.

I just had to quote this, this is classic! :lol:
 
Ï have complained about Infinitis and Lexus'.. luxo barges, that what they are and it will not change, no matter what they do. and I'm a biased as you are..
 
VIPERGTSR01, are you agreeing with me or mocking me? There was once a time that fuel prices were not an issue and customers wanted real cars. Back then very few GM brands had the same car badge engineered. Some did, but they were often collaborative efforts or the other brand put a different take on the car.

Leo, Infintis are beggining to use Skyline Coupes as G35 or whatever they call it- that's not a luxo barge, that's Nissan badge engineering at its' finest
 
I beg your pardon, the core product Commodore is Australian- we send it evrywhere else.
Well, aren't the Commodore VB, VC, VK and VL based on the Opel Rekord E, the VN, VP, VR and VS on the Opel Omega A and the VT, VX, VY and VZ on the Omega B? You send it everywhere else, huh? ;)

True, the VE model is a pure Holden but the earlier models were little more Australian as the Porsche Boxster is Finnish.
 
VIPERGTSR01, are you agreeing with me or mocking me?

I'd say he's mocking you.

I am intentionally trying to stay out of this but..

Simple fact is that for any company to stay alive these days with domb fuel prices and domber customers is to make things universal.

I just had to quote this, this is classic! :lol:

Mind you, I am too right now. :lol: That bit is pretty damn funny. :lol::lol: Domb & Domber, starring Holdenboy. :dopey::dunce::p

Mafs!!
 
Here read this and now the true is found!!!


General Motors Corporation, also known as GM, is a multinational corporation and the world's largest automobile company. GM has been the global sales leader for 77 years (since 1931).

Founded in 1908, in Flint, Michigan, GM employs approximately 284,000 people around the world. With global headquarters at the Renaissance Center in Detroit, Michigan, USA, GM manufactures its cars and trucks in 33 countries. Their European headquarters are based in Zurich, Switzerland. Their Holden headquarters are in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. In 2006, 9.18 million GM cars and trucks were produced globally under the following brands: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Daewoo, GMC, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and Vauxhall. GM is the majority shareholder in GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. of South Korea and has had collaborative ventures in technology and manufacturing with several of the world's automakers.

Daewoo is GM's most recent acquisition, having been rescued by the combine shortly after going into receivership towards the end of 2000. The brand has been retained for the home market of South Korea, although since January 2005 the brand's products have been sold as Holdens in Australia and Chevrolets in other markets.

Holden is the Australian division of GM, although some of its products have been exported to other countries in low volumes, as Chevrolets (Middle East, Brazil and South Africa), Buick (China), Daewoo (South Korea), Vauxhall (UK), and Pontiac (US).

Saab is a prestige marque based in Sweden and sold world-wide.

Hummer and Saturn are almost exclusively sold within US and Canada, with both of these brands having being created within the last two decades. The Hummer H3 is now made in South Africa. This car is also now available for sale in Australia

Opel is the key European brand, although high volumes of its products are made in Africa and Asia.

A buy out in 1925 of British car company Vauxhall led to a GM UK presence, although still producing its own models from its Luton HQ. Virtually all of its models since the 1970's have been identical to Opels,(the last Non-Opel Vauxhall 'Viva' ended peoduction in 1979) Although names were only harmonised with the introduction of the Vauxhall/Opel Corsa 'B'. I.e - Cavalier-Vectra (Ascona), Nova-Corsa, Senator-Omega and the Opel Kadett taking the Vauxhall name - Astra.

So in conclusion I would like to say that GM is only making cars everywhere on the same basic designs and puting different body pannel shapes on diffferent cars with different badges
 
i need to rebuke something right quick, there's nothing wrong with pushrod engines for one, i'll put my 87 gta against any other vehicle that costs 2000 dollars any day of the week, i out run OHC ten to one in my near stock land barge (3500 lbs, 340 ft lbs, 245 hp, 14.36 in the 1/4 mile at 95 mph)

also, american I6's historically, have been aimed specifically at economy and also have proven to be damn near indestructible, I6 layout is king in my book.

Now, we all know what an RB26 is, now go search the chevy LS7 and compare, still want to talk smack bout pushrod engines?? the LS series from GM is ancient having come out over ten years ago (before the R34 was released), but it's one of the most feared engines in american street racing, import guys get real quiet when theres a LS powered vehicle around. In fact, pushrod engines in the states own the streets. at least up here in cleveland there isn't a single guy anyones concerned about that owns an import. the exception to this rule would be those lucky few with A-spec Evo's and STi's.

In short, if an OHC I6 is the best engine layout from a performance standpoint, then a pushrod V engine comes in at a very close second all things considered.
 
American inline-sixes aimed at fuel economy my arse, but otherwise, you're mostly correct.

And I'd say that the best engine from a performance standpoint would be (if we mean reciprocals) a DOHC flat-8. A boxer is inherently the smoothest of reciprocals, has a low CG... It's about as good as it gets.

However... If we want power and light weight, a 4-rotor works best. (The 787B's motor, anyone? 300-400lb motor, NA, 600hp (conservative, not revving it high at all)... Can run forever..)

As for the American inline sixes... Only recently have American automakers begun to give two poops about fuel economy, and... Nobody has an inline six anymore. They've all been replaced by V6s. Mostly OHC.
 
i need to rebuke something right quick, there's nothing wrong with pushrod engines for one, i'll put my 87 gta against any other vehicle that costs 2000 dollars any day of the week, i out run OHC ten to one in my near stock land barge (3500 lbs, 340 ft lbs, 245 hp, 14.36 in the 1/4 mile at 95 mph)

also, american I6's historically, have been aimed specifically at economy and also have proven to be damn near indestructible, I6 layout is king in my book.

Now, we all know what an RB26 is, now go search the chevy LS7 and compare, still want to talk smack bout pushrod engines?? the LS series from GM is ancient having come out over ten years ago (before the R34 was released), but it's one of the most feared engines in american street racing, import guys get real quiet when theres a LS powered vehicle around. In fact, pushrod engines in the states own the streets. at least up here in cleveland there isn't a single guy anyones concerned about that owns an import. the exception to this rule would be those lucky few with A-spec Evo's and STi's.

In short, if an OHC I6 is the best engine layout from a performance standpoint, then a pushrod V engine comes in at a very close second all things considered.

Thankyou Rockit, it's the same here in Australia. Even better is the look on an import tuner's face after racing a V8- real depressed like. The reason the domestic 6cyl is aimed at economy is because the V8 is the domestic brand's performance model.
 
Man it is hard to keep out of this with the amount of........ biased/misleading/fanboyish information is being thrown around in this thread.

Seriously guys there are pros and cons on all sides of the fences, get over it. This forum supposed to be about GT4 tuning? It doesn't seem so.
 
The tuning forum is filled with clubs. I know there is tuning, but most of the posts are just conversation.
 
Man it is hard to keep out of this with the amount of........ biased/misleading/fanboyish information is being thrown around in this thread.

Seriously guys there are pros and cons on all sides of the fences, get over it. This forum supposed to be about GT4 tuning? It doesn't seem so.

Well consider this- how many people ever race their own car against others on a track. The majority of all races carried out by people in their own cars are highway drags and dragway drags, muscle cars win that. With drag racing, top end power is nothing without mid-range ability and launch ability through low end torque. Japanese tuner cars have a weak mid-range and no torque low end in the rev range. AWD is extremely difficult to be consistent with turbo charged Japnese cars.
 
Thankyou Rockit, it's the same here in Australia. Even better is the look on an import tuner's face after racing a V8- real depressed like. The reason the domestic 6cyl is aimed at economy is because the V8 is the domestic brand's performance model.
Amen. That's how it goes.
Man it is hard to keep out of this with the amount of........ biased/misleading/fanboyish information is being thrown around in this thread.

Seriously guys there are pros and cons on all sides of the fences, get over it. This forum supposed to be about GT4 tuning? It doesn't seem so.

There are, and I'll take a loud torquey V8 over a I4 that sounds like a rubber band.
Anyday
 
Y'all missed my post...

Only recently have ANY domestic sixes been aimed at fuel economy at all. Previously, they were poorly-designed stopgaps to provide slightly more power than a four cylinder. Ford's 3.0l Vulcan, used in the Taurus until a few years ago, was an example of this. 150hp from 3 liters, and it doesn't do so well in the economy department compared to today's V6s (Or the competitors FROM then's V6s).
 
I don't remember the last GM I6 in America- but as I said with the Torana, the 3.0L I6 in that was a better engine than the Japanese engines of the time. The car was 100kg lighter than a 240Z of the same era, and had more torque and similar power.
 
Y'all missed my post...

Only recently have ANY domestic sixes been aimed at fuel economy at all. Previously, they were poorly-designed stopgaps to provide slightly more power than a four cylinder. Ford's 3.0l Vulcan, used in the Taurus until a few years ago, was an example of this. 150hp from 3 liters, and it doesn't do so well in the economy department compared to today's V6s (Or the competitors FROM then's V6s).

Untill recently no one really cared about fuel economy. They'd buy the I6 or V8 when they wanted more power, and knew it wouldn't cost too much.

Japaneese cars now have the performance oriented I6's, and they sound like crap.
 
V6s ALWAYS sound like crap (They sound like tractors). And four cylinders only sound good above 6 grand.

I beg to differ. It all depends on your engine, your muffler, and whether or not you decided to route it out the side, skipping the muffler.
 
Let me rephrase.

V6s sound like crap if tuned conventionally. I don't mean about the exhaust, I mean the cam and the basic engine build.
 
I've heard V6s that sound better than anything except V8s and bigger. Including the new GT-R, but some Commdores as well. New direct inject Cadillac/Holden V6 sounds tough.
 
Basically I think that with a V6 you have to have the right exhaust on- no cheap substitutes.
 
V6s ALWAYS sound like crap (They sound like tractors).
Someone hasn't heard a 700hp 300ZX at full noise then. ;)


And I should just go outside and video for you an inline 6 aswell, my 1JZ-GTE powered Cressida w/350hp and it doesn't sound like a bloody truck I can guarantee you that!!

Rotary Junkie
And four cylinders only sound good above 6 grand.
My Gemini was an animal from 4000rpm all the way to 8000rpm and ran 13s without a turbo or nitrous from a 1.6L SOHC motor (so pushrods do go fast Leo!!). I didn't need to be above 6k like a VTEC does.

Mafs!!
 
I have a V6 Commodore video on the way too I think- I'm just checking it to makes sure it's a good vid but so far so good. While your there, check out the race track which is my home course- Queensland Raceway (The Paperclip :sly: )

There's a bit of static interference here but it's reasonably good nonetheless. First lap's just a warm-up and the track is a shortened version. He's not pushing it hard all the time either but oh well.

 
And the Commodore? No way that sounds like a tractor. Plus if that 300ZX sounds like a tractor then how much are John Deeres these days? Sounds good to me. I'll get a video of a tractor eh, then we compare.
 
Back