Auto is better than manual transmission

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From point a to b straight line speed who will reach the finishing line first ?

  • Auto

    Votes: 75 11.3%

  • Manual

    Votes: 587 88.7%
  • Total voters
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freedomweasel
How the heck is automatic "arcade"? Take a look at the cars on the road, how many are automatic? The answer is: a heck of a lot more than manual. Even at my local autocross events there are a fair amount of automatics.

Life is arcade....:banghead:

Further, you're talking about a controller. Pushing a button on a controller or not pushing a button on a controller isn't any more or less arcadey. It's a controller not a sim-rig.
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Only in the US:)
 
freedomweasel
Further, you're talking about a controller. Pushing a button on a controller or not pushing a button on a controller isn't any more or less arcadey. It's a controller not a sim-rig.
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I agree. Choosing to use AT doesn't mean you necessarily want to play an arcade racer. Using MT takes skill but doesn't make you superior. It's still pushing buttons in the end.
 
If you race low power cars, keicars for example, you stand to gain 10-20 seconds per lap by switching to manual. The reason being that the cars have more low-end torque than high-end horse power. Shifting early by as much as 1-2,000 rpm will yield you a higher top speed by the end of the straight. The automatic tranny just sits at redline too long before shifting.

On faster cars, shift points don't matter as much when it comes to achieving top speed down a straight. A manual shifter can shift at redline, before redline, or slightly after redline and be within a few 1/100ths of the automatic. The advantage comes to the manual driver from reducing unneeded shifts on certain corners, downshifting early to use the engine to brake, upshifting early to reduce wheelspin, etc. There is a higher learning curve to each track but once you run 15-20 laps in manual you'll match your automatic times. Run another 15-20 laps and you'll start beating your automatic times.

I kind of wish there was more options to automatic. For example, the ability to change the shift point from something other than redline. Also, some automatic cars have a sport mode where downshifts are more aggressive.
 
Be nice to the poor guy, he likes Zidane. Of course he's going to be bonkers :crazy:
 
Does this topic really need discussing? Racing is all about control, so anyone who thinks an automatic transmission is better for racing needs to go read Racing for Dummies :)
 
obviously manual is better, and u need it to make a good drift 2!!, and you should notice that most of the cars are manual, automatic is just that the game shifts for you, so in manual you dont loose time shifting, cause automatic (in the game) shifts 2!
 
In GT5, using manual is generally faster in both a timed lap and a straight line race, as you get to choose your shift points and adjust them to your car's powerband. You can also use manual to your advantage by e.g. shortshifting.

In real life, semi-auto boxes are most likely to be quickest around a track.
 
For me manual allows me to get finer control of my car's torque since the shoulder buttons aren't as good as real pedals. I can shift sooner to stop my tires from spinning as oppose to only being able to feather the throttle to control it.
 
Leicht
Remember people, he is comparing AT and MT in GT5 not IRL
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Same sh#t different smell. Ok so I'm pretty sure GT5 doesn't distinguish between the torque delivery of a clutch vs. a torque converter, nor does it do much to distinguish between a conventional manual, automated manual or dual clutch manual (especially if you are shifting with a button).

But what about short shifting or holding a gear to save time on corner entry, or selecting a particular gear to initiate and hold a drift? These are the things you can't do with an auto :)
 
It's a good thing we're not driving in a straight line for two fifths of bugger all distance so it's manual all the way!
 
Manual for me, being able to control the torque curve and selecting the right gear for a corner at the right time are two things you can't do with a Auto transmission.
 
I feel i gear perfect(might not be right).. But whene i try track time with both auto and manual am able to go abit faster with auto. . On escudo feks where u have to change every sec
 
CarreraGT
Same sh#t different smell. Ok so I'm pretty sure GT5 doesn't distinguish between the torque delivery of a clutch vs. a torque converter, nor does it do much to distinguish between a conventional manual, automated manual or dual clutch manual (especially if you are shifting with a button).

But what about short shifting or holding a gear to save time on corner entry, or selecting a particular gear to initiate and hold a drift? These are the things you can't do with an auto :)
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I'm just stating that because some of them are arguing IRL situation while OP here is talking in GT5, which doesn't have that much difference in quarter mile drag from A to B in GT5 other than the timing changing from first to second gear as auto in GT5 is just manual+assist

Of course manual mode, in GT5 is better than auto especially in corners, going uphill and drifting but if to compare IRL, where the auto is maybe manumatic or semi-automatic, of course is faster than the conventional manual transmission
 
Depends on situation. In GT5 the automatic transmission is way better than other games (e.g. Forza Motorsport) it almost feels like manual. But where manual control is important - Rallying. makes 10s of seconds difference. However, when I am doing X2010 challenge at Suzuka I just can't control handling and gear changes at same time - I have to concentrate on handling only. That case I have to rely on automatic transmission.
 
Leicht
I'm just stating that because some of them are arguing IRL situation while OP here is talking in GT5, which doesn't have that much difference in quarter mile drag from A to B in GT5 other than the timing changing from first to second gear as auto in GT5 is just manual+assist

Of course manual mode, in GT5 is better than auto especially in corners, going uphill and drifting but if to compare IRL, where the auto is maybe manumatic or semi-automatic, of course is faster than the conventional manual transmission
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Faster at the actual shift? Yes.

But faster overall? Not when you take into account that automatic can never see ahead and predict what gear it will need to go into to avoid a useless shift or help with control through a difficult corner.
 
CarreraGT
Does this topic really need discussing? Racing is all about control, so anyone who thinks an automatic transmission is better for racing needs to go read Racing for Dummies :)
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You jumped in 10 pages into a discussion. So yes it does need discussing. You could *read* the previous posts where every detail concerning RL to GT5, autos, manuals, semi autos, dual clutch trans and manumatics was discussed. You can read about the tests performed in-game. You can infer the poll is a bit simplistic, not taking all possibilities into account.

The conclusion: in GT5 manual is faster point a to b. This answers the OP. But not necessarily in real life and not for the usual reasons that manuals are faster (more gears and so on) but because the game's automatic mode shifts at suboptimal times.
 
I guess I'm lazy and a noob for using an auto irl and in gt5... I voted manual, more control, more ways of kicking technology in the face, and more fun. If only I could drive stick irl... Flappy paddles are starting to annoy me, some cars really DON'T need it. Save the manuals! IRL...
 
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Devedander
Faster at the actual shift? Yes.

But faster overall? Not when you take into account that automatic can never see ahead and predict what gear it will need to go into to avoid a useless shift or help with control through a difficult corner.
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That's exactly it, in GT5 or in real life. It's not so much the shift itself, but the timing of the shift.

In GT5, in a straight line, it should make no difference as long as you shift at the right time.
 
I think it's a matter of personal opinion, I personally like Manual Transmission, because in the longer races, it keeps me alert because I'm doing something in the game. But then the ability to choose when you want to shift is a lot better than what the game does for you automatically.
 
CarreraGT
That's exactly it, in GT5 or in real life. It's not so much the shift itself, but the timing of the shift.

In GT5, in a straight line, it should make no difference as long as you shift at the right time.
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are you talking about the first or second paragraph?
 
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