Auto is better than manual transmission

[GT_Fanatic69]

I love the attitude of new members around here.

Your car should always be in gear, and you should always be in the powerband when down shifting, provided you are doing it correctly. I see at no point you'd have to rev the engine back up at corner exit if you entered it correctly. I am fully familiar with both theory and application of driving technique, thank you very much. And I see no where in your link on rev matching where it discusses matching revs at the corner exit

I'm also quite curious where you get track time every weekend, and what car you are doing this with.




Imaginary car indeed.

Over breaking slows the car down more than usual hence it being called over breaking. When you slow the car down by over breaking, your engine revs will drop. Blipping the throttle on the up is what comes next to match the revs of the engine for appropriate gear selection. You heel and toe on the way down, rasing the engine revs for smoother and more fluent stopping power. Yes, if done correctly you should have the right revs for for the exit and not need to do what i am suggesting. But guess what, this may come as a shock, its not a perfect world.

You learn to rev match before heel toe because it will be used MUCH more frequently in every day driving, i.e coming to a red light but then it turns green and you need to go quickly. Heel toe is really only necessary on multiple high speed turns where you must brake through the turn and accelerate out. In most cases on a turn on the street you can just revmatch and then accelerate through. This does not mean it is not done in racing though.

Oh and the car i drive on my imaginary track days is only and imaginary VS Commodore. Imaginarily stripped and race ready (not super impressive but if it were real, i'd imagine it to be a balls to the wall fast car). I drive on the imaginary Eastern Creek circuit be it a track day, open day or if the burnout comp is on.
If i can't get track time i got to an imaginary skid-pan for fun. Not in my imaginary track car though as the diesil can cause imaginary problems to rubber lines and what not. Imagine that.

Anyway, way off topic and a few "because i say it, i am right" people are boring me.

 

[nissman]

After many many races

Hands down to automatic transmission

It is way faster than manual

Tried tested and proven

My hunch was right after all

LOL....you again!

You really crack me up.

 

[Azuremen]

Over breaking slows the car down more than usual hence it being called over breaking. When you slow the car down by over breaking, your engine revs will drop. Blipping the throttle on the up is what comes next to match the revs of the engine for appropriate gear selection. You heel and toe on the way down, rasing the engine revs for smoother and more fluent stopping power. Yes, if done correctly you should have the right revs for for the exit and not need to do what i am suggesting. But guess what, this may come as a shock, its not a perfect world.

You learn to rev match before heel toe because it will be used MUCH more frequently in every day driving, i.e coming to a red light but then it turns green and you need to go quickly. Heel toe is really only necessary on multiple high speed turns where you must brake through the turn and accelerate out. In most cases on a turn on the street you can just revmatch and then accelerate through. This does not mean it is not done in racing though.

Oh and the car i drive on my imaginary track days is only and imaginary VS Commodore. Imaginarily stripped and race ready (not super impressive but if it were real, i'd imagine it to be a balls to the wall fast car). I drive on the imaginary Eastern Creek circuit be it a track day, open day or if the burnout comp is on.
If i can't get track time i got to an imaginary skid-pan for fun. Not in my imaginary track car though as the diesil can cause imaginary problems to rubber lines and what not. Imagine that.

Anyway, way off topic and a few "because i say it, i am right" people are boring me.

If you match the down shifts correctly, you will already be in the power band long before you get back on the gas, since you will be hitting each gear respectively, 4 -> 3 -> 2 and being in the power band since that is just a good driving habit. Further, you really shouldn't be riding the brake into a corner, so this should all be done around the time you start to turn in. So I again fail to see why you'd need to match your revs upon exiting the corner, unless you are leaving the clutch in or staying a gear too high before you hit the exit point.

You have to realize you aren't the only person on this forum that has tracked a car or practiced any advanced driving. Maybe in the GT section of the board it is a novelty, but you might want to poke your head and look at the Automotive section. You may also want to work on how you word things and your attitude when explain things quite poorly and get questioned for it.

 

[ScariestGariest]

Further, you really shouldn't be riding the brake into a corner,

I'm not going to jump into the rest of the argument but this I will comment on. It's called trail braking, in some cars it can provide for faster lap times and a better line through some corners. I use this technique a lot because of the type of vehicles I like to bring to the track.

 

[Villain]

OMG... are you serious? You rev match on the way down, down shifting late (selecting the right gear on the down shift to slow) will result in lower engine revs. I was talking about hitting the powerband via rev matching and shifting on the exit. Which is the same but in reverse. Rev before shifting (peak the engine), shift and then gas it. That is also rev matching. Or "ideal shifting". Its the same bloody thing.

Next week at pre-school i will teach you how to finger paint.

What kind of crazy finger-painting do you do?

 

[Azuremen]

I'm not going to jump into the rest of the argument but this I will comment on. It's called trail braking, in some cars it can provide for faster lap times and a better line through some corners. I use this technique a lot because of the type of vehicles I like to bring to the track.

In game or real life? Trail braking is not a bad thing to do on some corners, but you aren't going to ride the brake till apex, and if you are truly on it with the car you'll start to oversteer. Which results in lost time due to spinning tires. Honestly, the fastest laps I see in both real life and in game tend to have very linear braking that is very aggressive, and then maximizing grip while cornering, with acceleration being slowly applied after the apex.

 

[arora]

What kind of crazy finger-painting do you do?

Hahaha, I was wondering that also, I'd honestly sign up for the lessons but I live to far away.

 

[GregTheStig]

Is this an "auto is better than manual" thread or an "OMG learn to shift your own gears for once" thread?


For what it's worth, I like selecting my own gears, whether there's a clutch involved or not (i.e. paddles). In any racing game I'm always manual. There's also a reason why the drivers select their own gears one way or another in every motorsport I can think of.

 

[alvin23a]

OK it's up to you what you use I use manual and I have a friend who uses auto. So what thats how we like to drive end of story.

 

[CarreraGT]

I guess these two sites of rev matching and the reference to rev matching on the up shift are wrong also. I could find more but hey… what’s the point of showing you that they are wrong also.
I’m off to prepare my imaginary car for my imaginary track day where I don’t know how to drive as I’m ten years old. While I’m at it I guess I’ll finger paint some.
http://www.drivingfast.net/car-control/smooth-driving.htm
http://everything2.com/title/rev+matching

Thankyou for reiterating everything I said earlier . Not sure where this reference to "rev matching on the up shift" is but i'm sorry, you're still wrong.

By the way have you got a picture of your VS? I'm curious to see what you mean by stripped and race ready

 

[ScariestGariest]

In game or real life? Trail braking is not a bad thing to do on some corners, but you aren't going to ride the brake till apex, and if you are truly on it with the car you'll start to oversteer. Which results in lost time due to spinning tires. Honestly, the fastest laps I see in both real life and in game tend to have very linear braking that is very aggressive, and then maximizing grip while cornering, with acceleration being slowly applied after the apex.

In real life.

And thank you for agreeing with me that it isn't a thing you should NEVER do. That's all I was looking for.

 

[NjLowrider]

Holding a gear before a corner, when a auto would shift up then back down, is way better. Straight line speed is trivial. Lap times and feeling is key.

Bicycles have 2 pedals, real cars have 3...

Men drive stick. Period..

 

[arora]

Holding a gear before a corner,

Can you still do that in gt? I've not used auto since gt3 but I remember you could 'hold' the car in gear with an L1 or L2 button, as soon as you let it go the car would either shift up or down acordingly.

Was actually how I learned to use manual in game(with a pad)

 

[Nagan]

Rally and extreme hill driving require a manual for peak performance.

My mate uses auto and when he comes over, it's no less than annoying to switch it over each race. I tried using auto but it's a detached and oversimplified feeling.

 

[NjLowrider]

Can you still do that in gt? I've not used auto since gt3 but I remember you could 'hold' the car in gear with an L1 or L2 button, as soon as you let it go the car would either shift up or down acordingly.

Was actually how I learned to use manual in game(with a pad)

No not anymore but I did love that feature in gt3. And it taught me how to drive stick in game also.

 

[X-Power]

After many many races

Hands down to automatic transmission

It is way faster than manual

Tried tested and proven

My hunch was right after all

No, your hunch is not right. In GT5, if we compared two drivers of equal skill, driving equal cars, one driver using automatic and the other driver using manual... the manual driver will always be quicker. Those are facts. This has been explained to you hundreds of times, if you still can't accept that manual is quicker, then you clearly don't know how to use a manual gearbox, and that is your fault, not the manual gearboxes fault.

 

[YiNG_YaNG_6o4]

For someone to say auto is better than manual, he doesn't know how to drive a manual car in real life.

 

[Eric.]

It seems to me that his "upshifting" technique is something close to powershifting, but instead he's doing this as he exits a corner:

1. Pass apex, on throttle.
2. Approach shift point. Clutch in and off throttle.
3. Select next gear up, rev engine up, off throttle
4. Clutch out and back on throttle.

Where there would theoretically be some advantage with a small burst of torque being delivered, despite being hell on the clutch and the next weakest point of the drivetrain.

 

[-=DV=-]

I can't believe there are 7 persons who think Auto>Manual

Here's something to think about: Why do dragster and funny car use manual and not auto? They drag race and they want to go faster right?

they use neither really..They use powerglides, Which are more like a centrifugal drive constantly delivering controlled torque to the rear wheels without killing the power to the rear wheels while shifting.

My 2c. Hardcore drag racing aside. Manual is always better hands down!

 

[Small_Fryz]

I assume you guys are using manual because it helps you get high revs out when you make a mistake like spinning and it will help

Have you ever thought if that some one hardly makes any mistakes ?

Can you tell me how you drove a 900 horse power car without any aids enabled ? That is how manual feel s like

I really wished you would have raced Vexd. I would have loved to see him pwn you.

 

[Raitziger]

Double clutch gearbox in automatic mode is faster in straight line compared to manual.

 

[Exorcet]

With manual your car will be more spinnable and losing precious seconds there

At in automatic you will maintain a consistent less spinnable rate

Huh?

In GT5 manual is faster in just about any situation. It's because GT5's auto transmission is "blind". It just shifts at the red line, no matter what. Something you definately don't want to do in a Viper GTS, unless you're going from 4th to 5th.

Can you tell me how you drove a 900 horse power car without any aids enabled ? That is how manual feel s like

That, to me, feels very natural. I'd probably be sloppy driving a Suaber or something with aids on because it would feel so strange. Same for manual transmission. If for some reason I end up driving with Auto, it throws me off to hear the car shifting at the wrong time. I also instinctively press shift, so it's distracting to push the button and then have nothing happen.

 

[freedomweasel]

Can this be locked? This thread is ridiculous, 20 pages?. Given a driver who is capable of properly using a manual transmission, that driver will be faster with manual in GT5. End of thread. That is the correct answer.

Outside of GT5 the answer is debatable and comes down to many factors, and also has nothing to do with GT5 so that discussion should be in the car forum.

 

[Spagetti69]

384 posts on this topic. Wow.

Oh yeah manual is quicker.

 

[arora]

Hmmm, what about the go-kart (non)tranny?

 

[Andy89]

Not when you skid more

Not when you are slow to the clutch

If you are a crap of a driver that skids at every corner, is not Manual Transmission fault

With manual your car will be more spinnable and losing precious seconds there

At in automatic you will maintain a consistent less spinnable rate

And if you are slow to the clutch you lose even more second s seconds

If you floor the car in second gear when using auto, you will spin anyway. I don't understand how manual can make you more spinnable, please explain me, really.

I assume you guys are using manual because it helps you get high revs out when you make a mistake like spinning and it will help

Have you ever thought if that some one hardly makes any mistakes ?

Can you tell me how you drove a 900 horse power car without any aids enabled ? That is how manual feel s like

Are you saying that Manual is a driving aid now? It helps when you make a mistake? WTF??
And you are contradicting yourself, saying that "With manual your car will be more spinnable" and then "it helps you get high revs out when you make a mistake"
And again, if you are not able to tame that heavy powered cars, is not like other people can't do it. I drive them without aides except abs=1, and like me, many other peolpe can do it.

 

[SohnVonStig]

All the fastest drivers use manual. Are we all stupid?
You're wrong, get over it, move on.

 

[Jack002]

All the fastest drivers use manual. Are we all stupid?
You're wrong, get over it, move on.

Well the auto drivers are kinder and gentler people. Decide what side you're on.

 

[charliec]

Well the auto drivers are kinder and gentler people. Decide what side you're on.

 

[SohnVonStig]

Well the auto drivers are kinder and gentler people. Decide what side you're on.

Lol when was I unclear about what side I was on? And I'm pretty sure transmission preference means absolutely nothing about your demeanor