Auto Save feature is good not bad... Read on.

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Its a GREAT thing! Because now people can brag all they want about how much money and the % done with game they are. BUT they can't get past the FEW a-spec points they have and the poor win % :)
 
Occams Razor... the simplest most obvious explanation is probably the correct one. They needed to for memory reasons. They probably dont care that we used to "RENT cars with a 100% Refundable deposit" why would they?
 
1.5MB is enormous on the PS2. You have only 32MB to work with. (think about that for a second). While developing a game on the PS2, you're hunting for EVERY 100K you can find.
 
The idea of autosave is nice. The way they have implemented it into the game is not.

Whatever reasons for the way it works, this just speaks to an unfinished product and/or one that shouldn't have been on this antique hardware. Quite honestly, I would have rather waited another year or so for it to come out on the next gen platform. More then that, I seriously doubt that anyone will need to have 1000 cars in their garage. Give me the 100 hundred slots and no forced autosave anyday.

This feature seriously underminds the average GT series fan's enjoyment of the game. Die hard competitors like some of you on this board probably don't mind it all that much but you people are a minority. Casual gamers won't be happy with this feature.
 
Event Horizon
I think its there so you can't just buy a car and take it for a spin and taken photos. You have to earn or permanently buy the car in order to take pictures or test it out.

That's just my opinoin.
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Yep that's what I think too.. considering the Japanese version also wouldn't let you use garage cars in Arcade mode to "test".. so I am betting that was another way of reaching their goal

I think its a little stupid though.. in real life even, you can test drive a car before buying it.. of course, not mod it to no end and drive it and then not buy it.. but its a game.. come on.. with 700, you would like to try it before spending

Nowhere can you LOAD a game either..

Why are you guys so peeved about auto-save? Just enjoy the game, and stop looking for loopholes.
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What do you care really? If the topic doesn't appeal to you, don't read it. I just think its stupid for PD to CHOOSE what we can and cannot do. Yes they make the game.. but like for the Japanese game, you can't play garage cars in arcade caus they didn't want people to practice. Come on.. wtf

I mean if someone wants to ruin his game and cheat or use loopholes, thats his problem.. its not like it makes a difference to PD. Game is still payed. When you go to McDo and you're paying for a meal, would you rather not have a choice then them telling you what you're gonna eat?
 
luke1500
You can only restrict it to save only after buying or winning a car, thats what I understand from other threads at least!

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From what the in-game info says, "Restricted" mode only saves when you enter a different car. So, in theory you could sell several cars (assuming you aren't in one of those you sell) and even race a few times and it wouldn't save, but the instant you hop into a different car...voila...autosave. I'm running mine in "restricted" mode right now and the only time I see the memory card logo in the top right corner is when I manually save it or I use the "Get In" function to change cars.

Which gets me thinking, I wonder if the actually purpose of forced autosave is not for saving memory for the garage (since there is negligible info to actually need stored there since 90% of it is pointers to game data anyway), but rather detailed data that is preloaded about the car you are actually in. But if this is the reason, I'd much rather had them use a dedicated "temp file" on the memory card to handle this scenario rather than force the autosave function on us.
 
I didn't read any replies, because...
one thing is for sure...we all play GT4 anyway


I don't mind auto-save after I got used to it.
Just reset PS2, if you really don't want to save the current game.
I guess it's a personal preference. important thing is we end up enjoying GT4 after all.

edit: take out your memory card if you want to take a car for a spin (and don't want to save), reset when you done playing. I think it works. but don't take out while game is accesing memory card :)
 
I AM RUNNING THE GAME IN RESTRICTED AUTO SAVE MODE. THE ONLY TIME IT SAVES IS SWITCHING CARS IN THE GARAGE. OR WHEN YOY PURCHASE A RIDE AND IT ASK IF U WANT TO SWITCH TO THAT RIDE. THATS IT. I PURCHASED A SCUBBY AND MOD IT OUT. DID NOT LIKE IT AND TURNED OFF THE PS2. THE CAR WAS STILL THERE BUT IT WAS BACK TO STOCK. THEN I JUST SOLD THE CAR.

SORRY FOR THE CAPS BROKEN KEYBOARD.... :indiff: :indiff:
 
I agree, I think it's good, not bad. But it's how you look at it, but it does stop people from getting cars to test them out before actually having to buy them. I like it.
 
sukerkin
I would guess that Yeti has the right of it here.

As soon as I heard there was an AutoSave 'feature' that seemed to operate at every opportunity (i.e. before switches between screens etc) I thought that either there was sloppy coding at work (from PD ... surely not :D) and/or the game pushed the memory management beyond it's limits.

Essentially, the PS2 is emptying it's memory bucket prior to loading the next barrel of GT4 goodness and, in order to make sure that nothing is lost, it has no option but dump it to the NVRAM.

It's a poor solution but I guess the chaps at PD didn't have much option given the hardware platforms limitations. We'll just have to live with it ... like we have a choice ROFL!
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Thanks for that, i was confused as why the game would NEED autosave but this makes it understandable. 👍

I have yet to experience it but at the moment i'm not too bothered by it. The only time i think i would test drive a car is at the beggining so i can easily make a backup of this. In GT3 i bought cars many cars which were only driven once and had many duplicates anyway (different colours) as once you get so far into the game monjey wasn't really an issue. Since i horde cars in this way autosave is O.K

Also it will be good to know that the total mileage stat is accurate as i often play games without saving and the 'hours palyed' stat is innacurate (GTA springs to mind).
 
Warp3
From what the in-game info says, "Restricted" mode only saves when you enter a different car. So, in theory you could sell several cars (assuming you aren't in one of those you sell) and even race a few times and it wouldn't save, but the instant you hop into a different car...voila...autosave. I'm running mine in "restricted" mode right now and the only time I see the memory card logo in the top right corner is when I manually save it or I use the "Get In" function to change cars.

Which gets me thinking, I wonder if the actually purpose of forced autosave is not for saving memory for the garage (since there is negligible info to actually need stored there since 90% of it is pointers to game data anyway), but rather detailed data that is preloaded about the car you are actually in. But if this is the reason, I'd much rather had them use a dedicated "temp file" on the memory card to handle this scenario rather than force the autosave function on us.
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Well honestly a car list isn't much. GT3 was able to do it without having to save.. you could buy a bunch of cars without saving.. re-load and thats it. If they need space for whatever, then just say after like 10-20 cars bought (depending on how much memory it needs to clear), you have bought N cars, To continue, you need to save..when you are about to race, the data is still loaded somewhere.. What is really needed to be loaded besides settings.. yes each car have their own settings, but the engine is made, how the car will react is only a factor of the settings read and interpreted by the game engine.

And i agree, they should jsut do a temp file if you dont want to save.


For those who say its good.. its debatable.. yes it DOES serve its purpose.. but can't you let that at the discretion of the person buying it? are we all kids that we can't control ourselves from exploiting it? and even if some would.. oh well, its more practical than not having it at all
 
Well you cant really buy a car and hook it up and test drive it then reload, because if you put it on restricted and you buy a car and "get in it" theoretically (sp) it should autosave, I dont remember if it did or not but if it doesnt then hey it works. Anyways I personally dont care right now. In GT3 I played the game, bought cars, tuned them and raced. Only after a long while and had lots of money I started buyign cars and tuning them up and just raceing them around on the test runs that where in your home. Dont like how they took that out in GT4 but ehh oh well. So IMO it doesnt bother me, and I wont complain about it, I just play the game and yea in life you can test drive a car first but eh this is a game, they did it for a reason and we need to live with it. I say just keep playing, build up your money and then buy cars and hook them up. We cant do anything to chance this so just play them game and accept the fact that its in the game and were stuck with it.
 
Rport03
Well you cant really buy a car and hook it up and test drive it then reload, because if you put it on restricted and you buy a car and "get in it" theoretically (sp) it should autosave, I dont remember if it did or not but if it doesnt then hey it works. Anyways I personally dont care right now. In GT3 I played the game, bought cars, tuned them and raced. Only after a long while and had lots of money I started buyign cars and tuning them up and just raceing them around on the test runs that where in your home. Dont like how they took that out in GT4 but ehh oh well. So IMO it doesnt bother me, and I wont complain about it, I just play the game and yea in life you can test drive a car first but eh this is a game, they did it for a reason and we need to live with it. I say just keep playing, build up your money and then buy cars and hook them up. We cant do anything to chance this so just play them game and accept the fact that its in the game and were stuck with it.
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true, and no you can't just buy a car.. and not save.. you can.. but you can't drive it.. its when you're gonna get in it that its gonna save..

can you mod a car without buying in it? if so you could buy it, mod it, go in arcade mode (not sure if it would save in between here), and drive your garage car..

you could try the car stock probably
 
I don't understand why people complaing about auto save? When it is in restricted mode you can buy a car tune it see if you like it. If you don't like it then just go to main menu and reboot. Remember in restricted mode it only saves when you sell cars not buy.
 
9000RPM
I don't understand why people complaing about auto save? When it is in restricted mode you can buy a car tune it see if you like it. If you don't like it then just go to main menu and reboot. Remember in restricted mode it only saves when you sell cars not buy.
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I see that you haven't actually TRIED it.. it IS in Restricted.. also did you not notice that it says Restricted instead of OFF

Please try it.
 
NissanKoreaCEO
edit: take out your memory card if you want to take a car for a spin (and don't want to save), reset when you done playing. I think it works. but don't take out while game is accesing memory card :)
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If you have a memory card in you can not get in a car without it saving the game, and if you dont have a memory card in it will not let you get in a car.

The only way I can think of is to have a 2nd memory card that has a GT4 save on it that you don't use so you can put that card in when you dont want it to save, but i havent tried this yet.

Edit bold/font size as many people seem to misunderstand that "restricted" does not mean "off"
 
syclone538
If you have a memory card in you can not get in a car without it saving the game, and if you dont have a memory card in it will not let you get in a car.

The only way I can think of is to have a 2nd memory card that has a GT4 save on it that you don't use so you can put that card in when you dont want it to save, but i havent tried this yet.

Edit bold/font size as many people seem to misunderstand that "restricted" does not mean "off"
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Yeah that's a good idea .. would prevent you from having to reboot and delete the card or copy etc..
 
syclone538
If you have a memory card in you can not get in a car without it saving the game, and if you dont have a memory card in it will not let you get in a car.
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Thanks for pointing this out! 👍

Some people seem to say "What's up with you guys? Auto-save is cool!" without actually knowing how it works. :yuck:
 
yeti
I think that the Auto-Save Feature is purely part of the new Functionality...

I think that it might be due to the fact that the garage is now huge and holding all the memory of all the cars and settings in it is impossible on the PS2 (Especially when attempting to render the Ring!)
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No, I don't buy that at all. When the game is rendering the race tracks it only needs 1 car out of your garage - the one you're driving. All the AI cars come from the disk. Or you need 2 cars from the garage in 2P Arcade mode.

I just think it's another marketing ploy to get you to keep the all cars you buy rather than just trying them and then dumping them. This way Homazdissanota gets your eyeball everytime you look at your garage, not just every time you go to the dealer.

Mike
 
syclone538
The only way I can think of is to have a 2nd memory card that has a GT4 save on it that you don't use so you can put that card in when you dont want it to save, but i havent tried this yet.
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yeah when i switched cards.. it said that it wasn't the right memory card or game and to put the proper memory card in..

so no go for that one either..

also arcade mode doesn't give you your career garage.. it loads the game and shows the cars from the laoded game.. since it wasn't saved.. no way to use it in there either
 
Mike: "I just think it's another marketing ploy to get you to keep the all cars you buy rather than just trying them and then dumping them. This way Homazdissanota gets your eyeball everytime you look at your garage, not just every time you go to the dealer."

That's some good advertising!
 
cttchris24
I agree, I think it's good, not bad. But it's how you look at it, but it does stop people from getting cars to test them out before actually having to buy them. I like it.
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For me no trouble as long as i buy stuff i want :crazy:

:) Its GT4 so i cant complain
 
I see a lot of valid opints for the auto save, my favorite is that it makes the game more of a simulation, because in reality you have to live with your decisions.

HOWEVER this is just a game, and game is not equal to reality. if I wanted reality, i'd save up money and start going to racing schools and track meets by myself. But guess what: I CAN'T because my job is crap and doesn't pay enough to clear rent and bills. (the only reason I have GT4 is i traded a busload of older games in)

I bought a game, I want A GAME!

EDIT: God Bless Gameshark!
 
I got nailed on GT2 with the "garage clearing" bug. Luckily I had a DexDrive.

As for the autosave in GT4, since it can be set to only save when you change cars (restricted), I think it's most likely as someone said. So you can only take pictures of cars you own. Which is a little silly, since magazines don't buy the cars they take pictures of:)

I guess for an autosave feature they had to put it at some game event, and getting into a car makes as much sense as anything else.
 
sirlosealot
No, I don't buy that at all. When the game is rendering the race tracks it only needs 1 car out of your garage - the one you're driving. All the AI cars come from the disk.
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Yes it only needs one car in memory. But what happens to the rest of your cars when it dumps the memory (except for the one it needs)? If it didnt autosave then there would be no way to get your cars back (if you made an new additions since the last save).
 
i am using the restricted autosave feature.
The problem i have is when my 9 year old son wants to play, i have to keep an eye on it, so he doesn't use up my hard earned credits to buy stupid crap or worse sell my hard tuned cars for 5000 credits! it sucks! and say goodbye to my win/lose ratio.
 
the Interceptor
Thanks for pointing this out! 👍

Some people seem to say "What's up with you guys? Auto-save is cool!" without actually knowing how it works. :yuck:
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That doesnt make allot of sense. It doesnt matter how it works if a person thinks its cool.

about not being able to use garage cars in arcade mode, well its not needed since you can race on all the tracks in Gran Turismo mode.
 

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