B-Spec is very usefull for who is lazy and not willing to do the races in A-Spec. Especially, the endurance races![]()
24 Minutes of Le Mans, for example.What endurance races?
24 Minutes of Le Mans, for example.
I tried putting B-spec In charge of some kart races and it never did better than 2nd place. Do I really have to give detailed instructions along the way? In that case there is even less point of B-spec?B-Spec is not good when your trying to get gold stars you're unable to get yourself, because you are never going to become a better driver doing that.
I have not look at B-spec yet, and I think I will never try it because it is a waste.I tried putting B-spec In charge of some kart races and it never did better than 2nd place. Do I really have to give detailed instructions along the way? In that case there is even less point of B-spec?
Or people who are, you know, actually physically impaired but still interested in cars and want to play a game with cars in.
I've never said I am mentally perfect. And yes well maybe I can see some value for those with physical disabilities, but the b-spec concept is fundamentally flawed it if is meant to be any sort of "management/simulation" way to play the game. You just play it with severely limited control. And with increased frustration.Exactly. Anyone who can't see the value of B-spec for those with disabilities is probably mentally impaired.
I've never said I am mentally perfect. And yes well maybe I can see some value for those with physical disabilities, but the b-spec concept is fundamentally flawed it if is meant to be any sort of "management/simulation" way to play the game. You just play it with severely limited control. And with increased frustration.
but the b-spec concept is fundamentally flawed it if is meant to be any sort of "management/simulation" way to play the game.
"...for races you might find difficult to complete such as some of the longer endurance races, or when you just want to enjoy watching the race."
Why. Because the laser runs/reads when it doesn't have to?and shorten the life of your PS3 while doing so
Well, we are not going to agree on this one, that much is obvious.
Your 1st post looks like you didn't even really looked into it.But i can't proove it.What's the point of B-Spec really?
Earning money without playing? Getting gold stars you're unable to get yourself?
I just don't get it.
That's my review and feedback for B-Spec.
Some waited for B-spec itself, and some waited for the promise to be fullfilled.Well, I guess some people will find use for it, but I don't see why this is a feature so many have been longing for.
But it's not really a managemement part is it, you're just having a virtual "you" doing your job. No management features really.
Now we see that you tried it and don't understand that B-spec is just AI not a copy of alien driving skills.I tried putting B-spec In charge of some kart races and it never did better than 2nd place. Do I really have to give detailed instructions along the way? In that case there is even less point of B-spec?
Exactly. Anyone who can't see the value of B-spec for those with disabilities is probably mentally impaired.
So they turn B-Spec into a frantic mode where you have to constantly be pushing multiple buttons to win.
I don't see how it affords even people with disabilities any satisfaction at all
I do. It lets them do (and watch) races and gives them a chance to win and complete events, get rewards etc. It's easy if you pick a good car, but so is A-spec.
Also, by timing the detailed inputs you can improve (or ruin) the lap times quite a bit, so it's not just a spectator sport.
But B-spec can be really entertaining, on a different level.
It's not easy. It's trivial.
The only way to get satisfaction is not to be aware of how easy it is. Or be deriving your satisfaction from some source that is not related to the "skill" involved to play the game.
But it is.
The point is that unless you intentionally cripple yourself, the vast majority of the time you don't actually have to do anything. If you're a complete novice then arguably anything you do has as much of a chance to make you lose as it does to "improve" your position (from the first that you've already got coming to you). So why would you?
Normally, racing defaults to "if you do nothing, you lose". Which is great, it gets people giving it a go because they couldn't possibly make the situation worse. In B-Spec, unless you handicap yourself then you already have the best possible result coming to you, so the only thing that can happen by you pushing buttons is you make yourself finish worse. In B Spec, if you do nothing then you probably win.
Only if you're ignorant of the fact that the vast majority of the time you win by doing nothing.
It's similar to the rubber band AI in A Spec. You could drive fast, but why would you when the AI will let you win anyway? By driving fast you're actually increasing your chances of a major crash, from which even the AI's generosity can't save you. If you just drive like a grandmother, you've got a better chance of winning than if you drive hard.
I don't see why anyone should derive satisfaction from "beating" a game that is rigged to let you win. They may do so, and best of luck to them if they are. But if they're deriving their satisfaction from their feeling that their skill has helped them to win, then it's all a lie.
We have many games that just give the player free wins these days, hence the Farmville reference. It's fine, people enjoy those. But let's not pretend that the enjoyment is anything to do with any skill involved in playing, because there isn't any.
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I've done a lot of races in B Spec today. I spent several hours playing Heroes of the Storm with GT6 going on the other screen, and all I did was pick cars and select races while I was between HotS matches. I won all the races bar three, where I came second and just repeated with a different car.
Tell me again how this is skill related. All I did was navigate menus, the rest of the time I was playing another game entirely. There might as well have been a button that said "Click here, and in ten minutes you will be awarded completion of this race".
It was some pretty graphics to watch while I was dead though.
I initially thought like you, that it was a decent mode for drivers who for whatever reason didn't have the coordination or manual dexterity to be able to race competitively in A Spec. I thought it was a good middle ground of still needing input in order to win, but not needing to have super fine control of your thumbs. While it's not what I had expected B Spec to be, I could appreciate that something like that could be useful to a significant portion of players.
It's not true. You don't need any input to win. It's a free ride, unless you intentionally handicap yourself. These people aren't being presented with a challenge that they need to overcome, a skillset that they need to learn and utilise. It's a smoke and mirror show that attempts to praise everyone for being a winner.
I think that's a shame. I think winning isn't so sweet when you didn't earn it.
I am not and will never be part of the cupcake generation.
You CAN make it an easy win.
You CAN make it a challenge.
What you do is your choice entirely.
By which logic you can make turning the PS3 on a challenge, if you mount it upside down from the ceiling of a cage of tigers. Hell, you could probably make Farmville really difficult as well, if you wanted to tack on a bunch of arbitrary rules to make it so.
It doesn't mean it's a difficult game. It just means that you're not trying as hard as you could be.
Motorsport, and racing in general, is about taking every advantage you can get short of cheating and trying to turn that into a win. A game that requires you to hamstring yourself to be difficult is not like motorsport.
It's like playing chess against a child and handicapping yourself by removing some of your pieces. It can be fun, and it can be difficult, and it's entirely not like playing real chess against an equivalent opponent.
The fact that everyone CAN win is entirely the point. It's left to the player to decide whether or not to push the "I win now" button. There's no skill or challenge in that.
Completing a challenge where you had to try your hardest to finish it is immensely rewarding. Completing a challenge where you had to restrain yourself from dominating it is...what?
I don't see how it affords even people with disabilities any satisfaction at all, they're not doing anything to help the car win. It's not them winning the race, it's all the computer.
By which logic you can claim that playing any game on any other setting than the very easiest is to not try as hard as you could to win.
But by all means, if you by principle refuse to have any other experience than the very easiest, then be my guest. It doesn't mean that it's impossible or unreasonable to play the game in a way that makes it a more rewarding and exciting experience.
Nope. The point of settings is to suit the challenge to the skill of the player. Different settings are different challenges to be met.
Gran Turismo doesn't have difficulty settings, as I'm sure you're aware. There is only one setting to B Spec. Anything else is you arbitrarily tying your hands behind your back.
What you're talking about with settings is the equivalent of finding a better opponent when you're playing chess, and that's valid. It's only fun if you're playing against an opponent that you have a reasonable chance of beating, and has a reasonable chance of beating you, in a fair competition.
There's only one opponent in game though, and you can't modify it's behaviour. So you're actually talking about handicapping yourself as I said before.
There's a difference between finding a more difficult opponent and crippling yourself. You don't seem to recognise that.
I on principle object to playing a game that hands me a victory. It's why I've completed the bare minimum of A Spec races as well.
I have no desire to be required to limit myself in order to have a competitive race. I want to improve my skills, whatever skills may be necessary for the mode in question, not find out how much I have to hobble myself in order to be equivalent to some half-witted computer.
It means that yes, for many people it is impossible to play the game in a way that makes it a rewarding experience. That's the problem. If the reward you're after is the satisfaction of beating your opponent with your skill, then that's not available outside of ignorance about how the system works.
It may be more exciting racing, but that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the lack of satisfaction of winning a race that has been handed to you. It's possible to have all sorts of fun playing games against weaker opposition, and it can be quite exciting if you get your handicap right, but you're never going to get the same feeling of satisfaction that you would have from beating a quality opponent on equal terms.
That's a big part of racing to some people, given that racing in the pure sense is all about comparing your skill and speed directly against your opponent.
I'll ask again:
Completing a challenge where you had to restrain yourself from dominating it is...what?