Battlefield 3

[Downhill Dino]

Which brings me back to this........

Yay, circles. I can't do anything if it's going to continue like this.

No they support their squad as said.

Reiterating myself is fun.

And that can't be done by sitting around why?

 

[RYAN]

Yay, circles. I can't do anything if it's going to continue like this.

Ok' I'll help you. A hastily constructed scenario for you. Your perched on a hill over looking an enemy base. Your scouting it out ready for your allies to enter at a later time. How can you see what's behind buildings, trees and other suchlike with out moving? How can you provide reliable Intel without knowing what's behind those hindrances?

Do you have xray eyes?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Lets step back for a moment. I never meant that staying in one place was the above-all method of a sniper. Just that it can be another way of doing what you're meant to do. I took what you were saying as an above-all method, which is might be, but you make it sound like a sniper shouldn't be in one place at any given time.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

A sniper is mostly used to gather intel and provide cover for squadmates. In real life a sniper doesn't "camp" in one spot. Why? Well how could a sniper provide cover and Intel to allies if he stays in one place? Also, As you may have guessed, sooner or later the enemy could become aware of his presence if he does. I imagine you were talking IRL?

Nope.

Snipers will stay (quite often literally 'camping' in a small concealed hole) in one spot for days, or even weeks at a time when gathering intel. Moving to a new position is very risky, so is avoided at all costs. In conventional warfare snipers rarely move from objective to objective, but move to a position, gather appropriate intel and then be extracted again. The role is very stressful and tiring so sending one sniper team to multiple objectives without a few days rest is increasing the risk of mistakes being made.

In recent conflicts (mainly Afghanistan) where there is no huge threat of being counter-sniped, snipers and their spotters have sat on rooftops for hour upon hour observing and taking shots now and then.

So yes, in real life snipers and their spotters are indeed 'campers'.

 

[Mike Rotch]

I'd throw into the mix that DICE have differentiated 'sniper' and 'recon'.

Sniper in a BF context is ala BC2 - bushwooki, sitting in a tree with a high powered rifle calling in mortar strikes.

Recon - supporting team mates with intel about the location of enemy with TUGS etc, then hanging back to provide cover.

IMO, anyway.

 

[gogatrs]

Lets step back for a moment. I never meant that staying in one place was the above-all method of a sniper. Just that it can be another way of doing what you're meant to do. I took what you were saying as an above-all method, which is might be, but you make it sound like a sniper shouldn't be in one place at any given time.

I only snipe when I'm playing with my platoon. I'll usually let the other three of my squad members go ahead of me while I hang back a bit. When they go to take an objective, I'll find a spot where I can see most of that objective and call out or kill any enemies that are coming towards them.

Having a MAV flying above you when the guy using it has a mic can also be VERY helpful when he knows what he's doing.

 

[Slash]

Yay, circles. I can't do anything if it's going to continue like this.



Reiterating myself is fun.

Because in real life snipers run around in circles popping people with 1 shot 1 kill headshots all the time. Right.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Well... no of course. I think? That's not what I was talking about at all.

 

[Slash]

Well... no of course. I think? That's not what I was talking about at all.

Well it seemed to me you were saying something to that effect. You kind of implied that they don't just sit there gathering intel and supporting squad mates. Sorry if I took it the wrong way

 

[Downhill Dino]

I'm just confused on why that was directed at me, as that's along the lines of ryanaldo's point I believe.

 

[RYAN]

Nope.

Snipers will stay (quite often literally 'camping' in a small concealed hole) in one spot for days, or even weeks at a time when gathering intel. Moving to a new position is very risky, so is avoided at all costs. In conventional warfare snipers rarely move from objective to objective, but move to a position, gather appropriate intel and then be extracted again. The role is very stressful and tiring so sending one sniper team to multiple objectives without a few days rest is increasing the risk of mistakes being made.

In recent conflicts (mainly Afghanistan) where there is no huge threat of being counter-sniped, snipers and their spotters have sat on rooftops for hour upon hour observing and taking shots now and then.

So yes, in real life snipers and their spotters are indeed 'campers'.

All you've done is explain the role of a scout/scout sniper. There are 3 other different sniper roles called -

.Marksman
.Designated Marksman
.Skirmisher

So no, not all real life snipers are campers at all
.

 

[Downhill Dino]

But that doesn't necessarily mean you can't.

 

[Slash]

I'm just confused on why that was directed at me, as that's along the lines of ryanaldo's point I believe.

Because the point you were making about reiterating yourself was directed to me in one of your previous posts, it was merely a reply to that. I had thought that you were saying that the only things snipers were good for/do was to run around with their squad mates picking people off. From a distance that's fine but I don't agree with it when they are right in your face.

 

[mp10]

Because in real life snipers run around in circles popping people with 1 shot 1 kill headshots all the time. Right.

Don't forget the bunnyhop

 

[RYAN]

But your initial question was......

And that can't be done by sitting around why?

When I was saying about a sniper supporting a squad.

Ofcourse they can assume a scout sniper role and completely go it alone, but considering I made clear the fact about providing close cover support and Intel for a squad. I thought that was a given.

 

[Slash]

But your initial question was......



When I was saying about a sniper supporting a squad.

Ofcourse they can assume a scout sniper role and completely go it alone, but considering I made clear the fact about providing close cover support and Intel for a squad. I thought that was a given.

Agreed.

Don't forget the bunnyhop

That gets annoying as well.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

All you've done is explain the role of a scout/scout sniper. There are 3 other different sniper roles called -

.Marksman
.Designated Marksman
.Skirmisher

So no, not all real life snipers are campers at all
.

All i've done is correct you by explaining the real role of a sniper. Most documentaries on the subject will show you that this is true.

Marksman and Designated Marksman are two of the same - each member of a regular infantry section has a designated role, be that officer, combat medic, grenadier, etc. Marksmen are not snipers as they are part of a regular infantry section and don't have the capability to hit targets at huge ranges, just as LMG gunners and grenadiers are not fire support as they are part of a regular infantry section and do not have the capability of HMGs and mortars to pelt targets at huge ranges.

In the British Army (and most other modern militaries), there are Marksmen and Snipers. Marksmen use semi-automatic rifles chambered in 7.62mm NATO (or similar) to engage targets out to 600-800 metres. Snipers are part of dedicated sniper units that are divided into pairs (one shooter, one spotter) and use precision semi-automatic or bolt-action rifles to engage targets out to 1000 metres or more.

Marksmen don't go through the same training (sometimes referred to as 'sniper school') as snipers do, meaning that shooting over longer distances would yield poor results. Marksmen also lack the in-depth knowledge of survival, observation and concealment that snipers are taught.

Never heard of the term 'Skirmisher' being used in relation to modern forces. I'd like to read about them, source?

On topic - how are people so good at using bolt-action rifles like shotguns on BF3? Even with a straight-pull bolt and holo sight I can never win 1-on-1 battles, let alone the 2-on-1s (or even 3-on-1s!) that i've seen others dominate in. With most weapons I will ADS before/while firing, so is this where I am going wrong? Should I be no-scoping, or is there a different technique that i've missed?

 

[gogatrs]

On topic - how are people so good at using bolt-action rifles like shotguns on BF3? Even with a straight-pull bolt and holo sight I can never win 1-on-1 battles, let alone the 2-on-1s (or even 3-on-1s!) that i've seen others dominate in. With most weapons I will ADS before/while firing, so is this where I am going wrong? Should I be no-scoping, or is there a different technique that i've missed?

Just aim quick, fire, and keep moving. Do your best to keep the enemy's back to you.

 

[GTRACER1998]

Anyone else use the DAO-12?
I got like 4500+ kills with the DAO, and I got MVP1 in Conquest and Rush with the DAO.
It's amazing.

Hope to see it in Battlefield 4.

 

[RYAN]

All i've done is correct you by explaining the real role of a sniper. Most documentaries on the subject will show you that this is true.

Marksman and Designated Marksman are two of the same - each member of a regular infantry section has a designated role, be that officer, combat medic, grenadier, etc. Marksmen are not snipers as they are part of a regular infantry section and don't have the capability to hit targets at huge ranges, just as LMG gunners and grenadiers are not fire support as they are part of a regular infantry section and do not have the capability of HMGs and mortars to pelt targets at huge ranges.

In the British Army (and most other modern militaries), there are Marksmen and Snipers. Marksmen use semi-automatic rifles chambered in 7.62mm NATO (or similar) to engage targets out to 600-800 metres. Snipers are part of dedicated sniper units that are divided into pairs (one shooter, one spotter) and use precision semi-automatic or bolt-action rifles to engage targets out to 1000 metres or more.

Marksmen don't go through the same training (sometimes referred to as 'sniper school') as snipers do, meaning that shooting over longer distances would yield poor results. Marksmen also lack the in-depth knowledge of survival, observation and concealment that snipers are taught.

Never heard of the term 'Skirmisher' being used in relation to modern forces. I'd like to read about them, source?

On topic - how are people so good at using bolt-action rifles like shotguns on BF3? Even with a straight-pull bolt and holo sight I can never win 1-on-1 battles, let alone the 2-on-1s (or even 3-on-1s!) that i've seen others dominate in. With most weapons I will ADS before/while firing, so is this where I am going wrong? Should I be no-scoping, or is there a different technique that i've missed?

Oh come on! the term sniper is used losely as "blanket term" all the time. Everyone new what I ment. I realise there's major differences in a both scout sniper and marksman roles, But for the sake of ease and understanding I used the term sniper loosely. Only you have seemed to take an objection to this, So I'd like to unreservedly apologize.....Sorry!

I recall a similar situation to this a while ago on the subject of battle rifles and DMRs a while back where I couldnt get any reason from you, Let alone sense. So excuse me if I fail to answer to you much further.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

I recall a similar situation to this a while ago on the subject of battle rifles and DMRs a while back where I couldnt get any reason from you, Let alone sense. So excuse me if I fail to answer to you much further.

The feeling is mutual, believe me. It's like the religion threads all over again...

I think the problem is that I concentrate so much on aiming that I don't strafe as well as I should do. I hadn't even realised it before.

 

[GTRACER1998]

About to post my setups in a second, let me just get Battlefield 3 on...

 

[GTPorsche]

You can access your loadouts on battlelog without needing to be on BF3.

 

[GTRACER1998]

You can access your loadouts on battlelog without needing to be on BF3.

Oh yeah, I forgot.

Anyway, here are my setups.

Assault = P90 With: Reflex RDS OR PP-2000 With Iron Sights, Tactical Light and Extended Mag.
And the M26 Slug.

Engineer = DAO-12 With: KOBRA [RDS], Extended Mag and 12G Buckshot.
And a Javelin or Stinger.

Support = Same DAO-12 as Engineer OR A Saiga-12K with: Holographic, Extended Mag and 12G Slug.
And C4s along with the Ammo Crate.

Recon = Same PP-2000 as Assault OR a USAS-12 with Holographic, Extended Mag and Buckshot.

Rarely use the USAS-12 though because it is too weak and is almost uncontrollable while using the Automatic Setting.

 

[Brett]

Sorry to be that random guy but I absolutely love the scoped crossbow. It made my day yesterday.

I did not think I would like the scoped crossbow. I ended liking it much better than the non-scoped. The balanced bolt with the scoped crossbow can be a great tool to have in the arsenal.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Oh yeah, I forgot.

Anyway, here are my setups.

Assault = P90 With: Reflex RDS OR PP-2000 With Iron Sights, Tactical Light and Extended Mag.
And the M26 Slug.

Foregoing AR's for a PDW? Each to their own .

 

[gogatrs]

I did not think I would like the scoped crossbow. I ended liking it much better than the non-scoped. The balanced bolt with the scoped crossbow can be a great tool to have in the arsenal.

I can't for the life of me get that weapon figured out.
I can't see the arrow as it flies so I can't judge the bullet drop which I find annoying.
Do you have to lead any more with it than a regular sniper rifle?

 

[Omnis]

PDWs can be good if you want to run and spray while keeping your dudes alive. Or if you're happier Ramboing it with a nade launcher.

I prefer to go C4 support or recon if I'm running my m5k though.

 

[Patrick]

I'm so bad on PC it's hilarious.

 

[Daniel]

I always have different classes depending on the scenario, what team I'm on and what I feel like using. Right now I have an AN94 with a HB on it and an MP412.
My Engi has a SCAR-H with an ACOG, Grip and HB with a suppressed MP443.
Support's got the L86 with a Holo, Grip and Flash suppressor and a suppressed M9.
And my Recon has an L96 with an ACOG, SPB and a suppressor with suppressed M9.