Beater or Sleeper? GT6 Car of the Week Thread

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  1. MidFieldMaven

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    Rosso Alfa is too predictable. Like red on a Ferrari. It appears that I'm even more predictable than that. :ouch::sly:
     
  2. Niku Driver HC

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    It may be predictable, but it is also the greatest contribute to any Alfa Romeo's charisma, really. Ferrari's charisma comes from their own red color, and so does Alfa Romeo's and their Rosso Alfa paint code. Green is an interesting color choice, don't get me wrong, but for such a red head of a car, the only proper matching dress is a red one...

    ...painted with its driver's blood. :scared: :lol:

    Another little something which you can read, to know how living with a GTA is;
    http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_147_history.shtml

    And some engine pornography regarding the 147's own engine, since Gran Turismo 6 does not allow peeking into engine bays;
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    That is what the Mona Lisa painting would look like if she was a V6 engine, folks. It is impossible to deny such an idea... :drool:
     
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  3. Andyc709292

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    With thanks to McClarenDesign for giving me the win last week. I even have a pic of the madness, certainly a sleeper for me - hot hatch and V6 goodness.
    It even looks half decent with a wing I reckon...

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  4. McClarenDesign

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    No, @Niku Driver HC is right, you've committed a sin. As I told @Baron Blitz Red , Alfas only come in two colors; red and redder. In Italy your car would be impounded.

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  5. Baron Blitz Red

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    Baron's BloodBird

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    Well, after some unexpected time away from the COTW crew, I come back to confusion... and it's called the 510. For me, it's a car that's sits on the fence of being called either way. There are positives and negatives for any car, but this takes it to a level I haven't seen in a while.

    I had fun in this car... racing it was a blast at times, and led to some really close finishes against some heady competition. Two races in a row to boot... one with @Vic Reign93 in Tokyo, and another in the snow against @McClarenDesign . Both must have been a blast to watch from the sidelines (Twitch), cause it was way fun for me. After being away for a while, it was great to be laughing like a kid again, and being OH SO CLOSE to either driver for a good distance in either race.

    The one thing that bothered me the most, especially being an auto gear driver in GT6, was the waiting... waiting for the revs to die down enough to downshift. Even with the usual trick of tapping the brakes to help that out, it was still tediously slow... and aggravating!!! C'MON... drop a gear for me!!! There were other little things that got to me too, but that was the biggie for me.

    As it stands stock, I'm going to give it a Neutral rating, cause I know it's more of a Sleeper of a car when it's tuned.

    Cheers
     
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    I've update the Initial List (from a few years ago, lol) to reflect what's already been chosen as well as the cars chosen during our GT5 stint. Please let me know if I've overlooked something.
     
  7. MidFieldMaven

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    After purchasing another 147 GTA, this time in Rosso Alfa, I managed to beat my previous record by 0.344 seconds. I'm now under the impression that a car can be faster or slower depending on the color of its body panels :boggled:



    And as a bonus 'for the heck of it' feature, here is the maximum specs of this beast:

    414 hp / 7,000 rpm
    319 ft-lb / 6,000 rpm
    1,113 kg (2,454 lbs)
    515 pp
     
  8. Ryk

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    I always liked the rear light cluster on the Alfa 147 - very Autobacs Garaiya.
     
  9. Niku Driver HC

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    Told ya. :sly:

    Ok, I kid, but let us face it; having a Rosso Alfa car works because it gives its driver the impression that he is driving a Ferrari (backstory of the whole Fiat-Ferrari thing withstanding). Therefore, he becomes under the influence that his little Alfa can do big things, and drives with more gusto.

    Or, if you prefer, makes him drive more along the lines of an Italian. :lol:
     
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    @McClarenDesign Since a maintenance would start after one hour of the Tuesday (Wednesday here) weekly Event. Should we change the event time or something? Just asking.

    Also welcome back @Baron Blitz Red :cheers:
     
  11. Baron Blitz Red

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    Thank you for saying so...

    If history is any indication, the races will probably still go on at the same time, but if we're interrupted we will have a COTW Wednesday as well. This of course, is relying on past experiences... I have been known to be wrong before.

    Again, I would say thanks to one and all for all the well wishes! :tup::tup:

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    Since I re-tested the Alfa, it was only fair to re-test the competition. It's amazing how close in performance these three cars are.

    1:27.574 - 423 - Volkswagen Golf IV R32 '03
    1:27.620 - 427 - Alfa Romeo 147 GTA '02
    1:27.892 - 424 - Audi A3 3.2 Quattro '03

    VW
    237 hp / 6,000 rpm
    236 ft-lb / 2,500 rpm
    1,460 kg

    Alfa
    246 hp / 6,000 rpm
    221 ft-lb / 5,000 rpm
    1,360 kg

    Audi
    245 hp / 6,500 rpm
    236 ft-lb / 2,500 rpm
    1,495 kg
     
  13. McClarenDesign

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    Spot on, sir.
     
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    We WILL be racing tonight due to the update last night. Sadly no VGTs, and the course maker isn't out yet on my phone, though the sample tracks are via the Test Drive option in the Garage. Not yet sure if it is in single player or online as I didn't look. In the meantime, vids are uploading so that you'll have something to keep you entertained.







     
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    I think we need a custom created track made by one of our COTW family for the next's week COTW Time Trial. IF that's possible to do.
    I'm already made some but i'm pretty sure you guys could do it better. ;)
     
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    We'd like your help in saving us a little time. If you would like to see your Car of the Week photos, posts, tunes, reviews, and other potential media included in our project, please send consent to mcclarendesignscaroftheweek@gmail.com, with the subject titled "CotW consent". Be aware that posts will be edited for spelling, grammar, and minor content changes may occur (removal of emoticons, unnecessary punctuation, web addresses and hyperlinks are just a few examples).

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  17. Baron Blitz Red

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    This Plan Wasn't Well Hatched...

    Some car makers have their hits and their misses... and even though I didn't vote for it, Alfa Romeo did get the majority vote for last year's Car of the Year. That being said, I doubt anyone in their right mind will be doing the same for the 147 GTA.

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    Sure it looks pretty good, as do most Alfa's, but yet again this V6 powered Italian beauty has an abysmal 62/38 weight distribution. This time however, it showed it in almost every situation. I was lucky to give it 2 nights of intensive trial by fire testing so far, otherwise known as COTW race nights. Sure it gave me a couple of W's in the right column. Would I recommend it though??? NOT A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL!

    It's way too heavy... even though it's a hatchback, it's heavier than the award winning Alfa that I didn't vote for. And that was a bigger car! It proves that FF cars should never get a V6 engine over the same wheels that drive it. Just when I thought I was getting used to how it drove, BOOM... crashing into something or someone. The only people that like this thing are ones working for insurance companies. You know, the people that make Mr. Burns look sweet and innocent.

    So if you're looking for cars to call Beaters like this one, select another FF car with a V6. Just remember, there are snipers on roofs just waiting for the order.

    Take.

    The.

    Hint.

    Cheers
     
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  18. Niku Driver HC

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    “Honey, I’ve laid waste to our front tires”: Alfa Romeo 147 GTA

    Welcome to another edition of Niku’s COTW Reviews; where jokes are overused, cars get abused and where I am writing this after visiting the ever wonderful world that is the Autoclássico classic car show, in the heart of Matosinhos’ Exponor exhibition center. Plenty of classic and expensive metal for everyone, as well as a world of car parts, memorabilia and scale models. It is one of Portugal’s largest classic car shows, and it remains a great showcase of our country’s passion for classics.

    But I digress. Tonight our main protagonist is a red-headed automobile, one which has caused plenty of headaches for both real-life and GT6 drivers all across the world. Part hatchback, part madness, all Italian… There is a reason as to why the infamous badge of this particular car contains a snake of all animals;

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    2002 Alfa Romeo 147 GTA. Codename: "Chili Pizza"

    It is the last great showcase of the Busso V6, and the car which was our esteemed ride for this now-ending week; the Alfa Romeo 147 GTA. And no, that “GTA” does not stand for “Grand Theft Auto”, that joke does not have to be overused by the reader and friends, let us be realistic for a change. After all, such a designation obviously stands for one sole thing…

    “Great Tire Annihilation”, of course.

    No, I am being dead serious. The Alfa is not solely a red-head; it is also a tire destroyer of major proportions, a car which has a split-personality hidden within the sum of its parts. It may look elegant, but this car exists with the intention of making its owner’s life a true rollercoaster of emotions, mainly focusing on fear and then pure rage. But I shall start from the beginning…

    The Alfa Romeo 147; an award-winning design and many hopes of sheer success for the ailing Alfa Romeo brand, which was in desperate need of a competent city car to replace the ancient duo comprised of the 3-door 145 and the 5-door 146. And with a European Car Of The Year award under its belt in 2001, the 147 was at least successful in helping Alfa’s chances of fighting amongst a lively small city car market. A car with a surprisingly outspoken personality, thanks to a set of eager Twin Spark engines and a stellar handling (although the light steering posed many issues for several drivers) which came as a shock for many, who were expecting yet another dull grocery getter only suitable for equally uninterested owners. But for a brand with a hidden sense of sheer madness such as Arese-based Alfa Romeo, one thing was yet to be done regarding their “baby boy”…

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    And the answer was clear, at least for Alfa Romeo; make a hot hatchback out of it. But not just any “normal”, run-of-the-mill hot hatchback, not by any means; Alfa Romeo only had one engine worthy of powerful status and might, and their only choice was soon hand-picked to suit their dastardly plan. In 2002, one year after winning the coveted ECOTY award, Alfa Romeo came out of their dungeon with a car suitable only for a dragon tamer; the GTA was born, Alfa once again creating a maniacal monster out of a pure and innocent grocery getter. The recipe was the result of adding chili to a pizza, replacing the pizza’s base with more chili and then selling it out to unknowing customers, who would have their collective mouths set ablaze with the downright explosive contents of their pizzas. Was it mental? Was it furious? Or was it downright wacky? Yes, the GTA was all that and more, thanks to an explosive combination of a fiery engine and a chassis which may have not been prepared to take said engine into consideration.

    Ah yes, driving a GTA… No task may be more infuriating for hot hatchback drivers than having to tame a car which is both a step backwards and a step forward at the same time. In fact, as a song once said, the Alfa is “one step forward and two steps back”, since it gives you all the power which drivers dreamed of at the time, while also offering you a chassis that can’t contain the living Vulcan which was lodged underneath the hood. You can tell already by looking at the car that we are dealing with a wild snake, but you are simply not prepared to deal with its deadly poison. But how is the process driving a GTA, exactly? Well, allow me to show you…

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    Oh, hello there, Mr. Understee. Are you confused by that “warm welcome”? Don’t be; Mr. Understee is a friend of mine, we “go way back”, as young people say these days. He is a fine gentleman when you are not bothering him, but when someone (or something) upsets Mr. Understee, there is no stopping his rage. And he has a very interesting way of expressing his rage; first he blocks out the ability of turning your front wheels, preventing them from doing their job of steering a car. Then, he introduces these “blocked wheels” to your engine, which simply cannot be bothered to deal with any of this, and lets this unbothered engine do the rest. In short, he goes from being a peaceful man to a downright nightmare, all with a flick of the steering wheel. But what does this long metaphor mean, you ask? It is simple; the GTA’s chassis is simply not suitable for the engine which powers it. But then you may ask; “Niku, surely this car must have a 4WD system?” And I will answer by saying “No, it does not, good sir. And do not call me Shirley.” Which then might be followed by another question; “Ok then, the car must have a revolutionary suspension system, which is capable of acting accordingly to the lack of traction and general problems which plague overpowered FF hot hatchbacks, correct?” And my answer then will be… the exact same thing as before. In a straight line, the 147 hardly feels bad to drive, all thanks to its wonderful engine; at the height of its prowess and power, the 247-hp Busso V6 is a godly gift with the heart of Julius Caesar and the voice of Pavarotti. It may start out rather quietly, but once you move up the rev range, you will witness a change in personality which is simply unexpected and incredible at the same time. Acceleration is brutal and after roughly six seconds, the 100 mph mark is blitzed with ease. If you let scream all the way to the top speed mark, you will be welcomed by a number known as 152 mph, or 246 km/h if you are a Metric-type man. The GTA is not necessarily lacking in the speed and power department, but once you hit a corner the story changes severely…


    And this is where the GTA suffers; corner-making. It may be simple business at first, but once you put down the power, expecting the front wheels to do their job and put the power down with finesse, the business transforms itself into a death warrant. As it was said by other members of the COTW world, the GTA’s front wheels have to do three jobs at the same time; taming the V6 engine, holding most of the car’s weight and steer it when corners have to be taken. Unfortunately, not a single one of these jobs is done correctly by the GTA’s chassis, and the driver has to deal with the infuriating process of touching all sorts of pedals and/or the steering wheel in order to prevent the car from making a one-way trip towards the outside section of any given curved section of a racetrack (section which may punctuated by a wall, a railing or simply sheer death by understeer). In order to drive the GTA, you need to wrestle with it; this car does not accept finesse as an answer, so the only to respond to such a brawler is to have a street fight with the car. Brake early, pick your line and then hammer that acceleration pedal as if it had gone to bed with your wife; this is the GTA way and you need to abide by its rules. Trying to accelerate the car while turning the steering wheel within a corner will only result in a mind-blowing trip of tire smoke and screeching from the exact same tire(s) in question, due to the lack of rotation from the overexerted front axle, incapable of handling all the tough tasks which were assigned to it. And with a weight distribution of 62:38 , it is somewhat understandable that this is the way to go. The GTA is planted and does have brutal body roll, but everything else demands 100% focus and 120% patience from its driver in the world of racing. But everything is spoiled by the chassis; despite being the same system which appeared in the equally mad 156 GTA, this FF layout is incapable of dealing with an engine far too powerful for any hatchback regardless of whatever sporty tendencies said hatchback may have. A rear-wheel-drive setup would suit the brutal delivery of the V6 much better, but Alfa Romeo persisted with their FF mentality. Such a mentality would have not been a problem if it weren’t for the fact that the setup itself lacks any proper system to keep the front wheels from giving up entirely and stop their attempts at putting power down properly.

    This topic then segues into another problem; the competition. If you are on the market for a deranged hot hatch, you can purchase the Renault Clio V6 Phase 2, a car which somehow manages to outdo the 147 in sheer craziness by offering a V6 inside a small package while installing said V6 in the place where you would once store grocery bags. Of course, this mentality transforms the comfortable, FF Clio into a mid-engine monster which is more than happy to bite your head off the moment you attempt anything close to accelerating in a corner. In the end, choosing this mighty baguette comes down to the owner’s preference for either oversteer or understeer, and how well prepared said owner is to deal with these characteristics. But there is another hidden rival, a car which stunned me when I decided to drive it around the treacherous Nürburgring 24h circuit last night. Something which may have also brought out many stunned faces alongside mine…

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    Toyota Caldina GT-FOUR. Codename: "Fast 4Dina"

    The Toyota Caldina GT-FOUR, a former COTW member and one of many Japanese cars which have seen the track under the COTW banner. And why is this, a rather large station wagon-turned-Celica GT-Four JDM car, fitting to fight a Alfa Romeo hatchback? Well, the answer may or may not surprise you, but that happens because the Caldina works well enough to match the GTA around a twisty track. And of course, the reason for such a strong nº1 contender status lies within its drivetrain; as a heir of the Celica GT-Four’s legacy, the ‘Dina lives alongside a turbocharged engine and a 4WD system which does the exact things that the GTA can only dream of. Mainly, the notions of turning a wheel without destroying the entire front axle and gripping well enough to avoid awkward movements. At the Nürburgring GP circuit, the Alfa Romeo may have beaten one of the Caldina’s times, but it did not beat the other. What do I mean, with this whole “two different times” thing? Well, there was one factor which prevented the Caldina from performing better at the dreaded ‘Ring race yesterday; the transmission. The GT-FOUR, with its 4-speed transmission, simply did not have the punch to keep up with the 147’s far quicker and closer-ranged transmission. So, I performed a little experience; after setting a good lap time with the stock transmission, I changed it to a six-speed, close-range setup which can be bought as a part for the car. Six speeds, just like the GTA. And the results were clear; 2.31.668 from the “6-SPD Caldina” versus a 2.32.495 from the 147 GTA. But wait, there’s more! You see, with an oil change, the GTA has a horsepower rise, to 258 hp. And the Caldina, does it have a better rise? Well, it does…

    …to 268 horsepower. More power available than a first-generation Honda NSX, folks.

    Ouch, that hit the GTA right in the heart, I’m afraid. And at the price of 27,100 credits, the upgraded transmission and oil change are still not enough to make the Caldina lose on an economical battle. And when a station wagon can match and perhaps even beat your hot hatch, then you did a very bad mistake somewhere in your life.

    So, there it is, the Alfa Romeo 147 GTA; clumsy, too awkward around a corner and slower than a Japanese station wagon. Not a good introduction card, especially in face of the ever growing threat of newer, better-honed-for-track hot hatchbacks such as the Golf VI R and the Renault Clio R.S. And if GT7’s list gets upgraded with the 300 horsepower-plus Ford Focus RS, then the GTA will become an even more disjointed dinosaur. And then again, being an Alfa, it is an emotional ride, a car which still stands out and makes people drop their jaws in awe. It is a wild, uncompromising and entertaining ride if you are willing to overlook its understeer issues. It is infuriating, and yet it is your best friend at the same time. Then again, isn’t that how all Alfa Romeo cars work? May you rest in peace well, Busso V6, you have given us madness and atrocious fuel costs, but you were a passionate engine. And the GTA was your best vessel…

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    "Sorry, bambina. It's not you, it's me. Or rather, it's not you, it's that ungodly amount of understeer and nose-heavy handling. Perhaps you need some Botox for that, just don't apply it directly to the outside of your nose. Keep it "internal affairs", if you know what I mean..."

    Pros
    • Furious engine packs a mean punch;
    • One of Alfa Romeo's most mental hatchbacks;
    • Capable of surprising quite a few with handling...
    Cons:
    • ...surprises which may not be fun for the driver;
    • Lacks proper drivetrain to keep power flowing decently;
    • Atrocious weight distribution.
    Final Veredict: Beater; it pains me to award the GTA with the "Beater" tag, but there is just far too much effort required to keep it on the track properly, when there are better hot hatches on the market which can do that and perhaps even outrun the 147. The Alfa went big, but now it can only go home. Still, if you want to challenge yourself, then this car is suitable for those drivers who want to test their strength... If the Renault Clio V6 does not get in the way, that is.
     
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    A few weeks ago I asked for help with a project I was working on, the results of which will be available a the end of this month, and I'll share a link when it's ready. Las week I thanked Vic, this week it's...

    Congratulations Lewis_Hamilton_!!!

    Despite not seeing much of you in Singapore, we're still hoping you pull out a victory in Russia at this week's GP in Sochi. Until then, what should we enjoy?

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    ...the 1991 TVR V8S!!!

    When we started Car of the Week for GT6, I was worried about testing the same cars we did for GT5. Lewis has not only chosen a car that we've tested before, but one we've tested TWICE before! First when we tested the TVR cars, and 2nd as the last car tested in the GT5 Car of the Week series.

    It must be so nice that we do it THRICE! Also note that this is another week that the model year matches the current week number.

    Congratulations also go out to PSN user Lelakiiii, who won last week's Time Trial with a blistering time of 1:56.626! This week's Time Trial is now available via our GT6 online Club, featuring Brands Hatch Indy Circuit!
     
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    'Nuff said :bowdown::tup::tup::tup:.
     
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    Whoops, I only ctrl+F'd the GT6 CoTW list.

    Well we haven't tested it in GT6, maybe it will be better this time around :sly:
     
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    TVR V8S, awesome car. Small car + pretty good styling + roaring V8 = :drool:
     
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    It's a total beater. Bad weight distribution. I tried very hard to get a good tune out of this car in GT5 for a roadster tuning challenge but it under performed.

    For me, the only TVR cars worth driving (in whole GT history) is the Cerbera race car from GT1 and a racing modified Griffith 500 from GT2!
     
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    Makes such a great sound! Fun to tune also
     
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    The USA has a law that states any car under 25 years old cannot be imported. This means that the TVR V8S will finally be 100% legal to import next year. I hope to see one someday.

    TVR V8S '91
    4.0L
    238 hp / 5,500 rpm
    270 ft-lb / 3,000 rpm
    1,050 kg (2,315 lbs)

    60 horses per liter of engine displacement certainly isn't Honda-level efficient, but who needs efficiency when you have a great V8 rumble with torque to match, double wishbone suspension front and rear, and a frame consisting of thick, welded steel pipes? Not to mention a curb weight of barely a ton?

    Best lap at Mid-Field, Comfort Softs, no oil change:

    ^ Top speed of 134 mph on the front straight.

    Cars within 0.500 seconds:

    1:24.310 - 456 - Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33) '07
    1:24.342 - 452 - Subaru Impreza Sport Wagon WRX STi Version VI '99
    1:24.370 - 472 - Audi RS 4 '01
    1:24.384 - 432 - Ford RS200 '84
    1:24.406 - 440 - Nissan 240RS Rally Car '85
    1:24.431 - 453 - Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32) '89
    1:24.439 - 455 - BMW 320i Touring Car '03
    1:24.502 - 465 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR '99
    1:24.533 - 429 - Mazda RX-8 Type S '07
    1:24.552 - 456 - BMW 135i Coupé '07
    1:24.552 - 483 - Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Coupe '00
    1:24.621 - 439 - Honda NSX '90
    1:24.682 - 488 - Audi RS 6 '02
    1:24.765 - 459 - Holden Monaro CV8 '04
    1:24.775 - 470 - Chevrolet Corvette StingRay Racer Concept '59
    1:24.784 - 460 - Chevrolet Camaro SS '00
    1:24.804 - 448 - TVR V8S '91
    1:24.815 - 452 - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version IV '97
    1:24.817 - 429 - Honda S2000 '03
    1:24.831 - 426 - Mugen S2000 '00
    1:24.853 - 455 - Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible (C3) '69
    1:24.873 - 434 - Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01
    1:24.902 - 434 - Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex (AE86 Shuichi Shigeno Version) '00
    1:24.931 - 419 - Hyundai HCD-6 '01
    1:24.939 - 456 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII GT-A '02
    1:24.963 - 425 - Lotus Esprit Turbo HC '87
    1:24.975 - 435 - Ford Focus RS '02
    1:24.980 - 435 - Nissan Silvia 240RS (S110) '83
    1:24.986 - 434 - Mazda Éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91
    1:24.994 - 423 - Opel Speedster Turbo '00
    1:25.028 - 433 - Pontiac Solstice Coupe Concept '02
    1:25.080 - 450 - Chevrolet Camaro Z28 '69
    1:25.108 - 427 - Renault Sport Clio V6 24V '00
    1:25.126 - 450 - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version III '96
    1:25.171 - 472 - Lotus Carlton '90
    1:25.180 - 465 - Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) '69
    1:25.191 - 455 - Honda Civic Type R (EK) Touring Car '97
    1:25.228 - 454 - Shelby GT350 '65

    Forward of the cabin, the TVR V8S resembles many of the classic British sports cars from the 60s and 70s. The car felt more prone to understeer, but the overall package is favorable. It's the slowest TVR in GT6, by over 3 seconds at Mid-Field, but it has some stiff competition from cars such as the Chevrolet Camaro SS '00, Honda NSX '90, Mazda RX-7 '91, among others. It's a sleeper for me.
     
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    It's been a while since I've done one of these...I think the last one I did was the Seat Leon Cupra, and I wanted to start becoming a regular at this but I either lost track of time or got distracted, so, I'm giving it another shot.

    So, I was driving through the Spanish countryside in my most recent purchase, a 1999 Subaru Impreza for a certain competition between icons, when I was once again contacted by my people in the reviewing world to put aside everything and make my way to Ronda. As happy as I was with my last reviewed car, I couldn't complain...and I had another fifty miles to go. Fifty boxer-grumble-filled miles.

    Ronda's abnormally dead around this time of day, so as I approached the bridge into town, I instantly noticed what had to be my car for the next few days. My heart sank.

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    The last of the classic TVRs.

    Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy TVRs and their knack for engaging in possible cold-blooded murder at every corner. Just, not this type of TVR. Sure the V8S features a throaty V8 and RWD, compacted into a small roadster. But it's an old TVR. More than likely, it'll break down as I'm trying to pull a hot lap around a track, and, knowing TVR's archaic ways, it'll probably have killed me three times over by the time I've even pulled it over to check under the hood. Why does this keep happening?

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    They say the V8S had two hood styles: bulge and bulgeless. They also say they changed it when they ran out of the bulges.

    Then I take a closer look at the V8S, and I notice that this particular one is in extremely good shape (besides the gaudy yellow paint). Everything's clean, almost too clean. The leather's in pristine condition. The wood looks fresh out of Blackpool. This is when I start to notice I'm kind of falling for it. How can you not? Look at that sad face.


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    Two extremely different cars from two extremely different decades, yet only eight years apart in age.

    I guess it's time to put all my differences aside and set off. Destination: home. England.

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    Well, it started up. Guess I better stop procrastinating.

    British precision at high speeds.

    After a long journey to England, I finally arrive at Silverstone. I buy my way into two laps on the Stowe circuit, and I finally get a chance to let the V8S sing, and sing it does.

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    I did some research on the V8S and it said that it was recording going quicker than most supercars of the time, and it shows. When I press on the pedal, my head is tossed back into the black leather and I'm already halfway down the first straight. A smile perks on my face, but is quickly wiped away as my first corner approaches and I remember that this thing has no ABS. I let off, brake, turn in, and...

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    Yep, just like every TVR I've ever encountered, this thing is tail happy. No, it's not even tail happy. It's tail ecstatic. Sure, maintain the brake and gas in perfect intervals and you can sail around a corner like a normal car, but slip up and you'll find yourself facing backwards. Luckily, I didn't do any of that on my timed laps, but I had to check and make sure I wasn't driving some RB swapped 240SX. Steering wheel still says TVR? Okay, just checking.

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    Even if you can drive it like any normal car, it feels abnormally heavy. Maybe it's just my driving, but sometimes I ended up understeering rather than oversteering. It doesn't destroy the driving experience too much, but it kinda proves that this is a car that you really need to watch out for, because it has a silenced Walther at the back of your neck at every turn. At least it's quick. Jesus **** is it quick.

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    0-60 in 4.9 seconds. I can vouch for that.
    Okay, so it gets along by itself, how does it play well with others? Time for our next destination: Brands Hatch, where I entered the V8S in a small, local two-lap race with some amateurs. With the intent of racing against some modern-day equivalents, I was disheartened when I looked over the roster and saw such things as a Honda CR-Z and a Hyundai Coupe. And amongst this was my 1991 TVR V8S. Oh dear.

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    I don't even want to go into the race...it was a disaster. The constant sliding of the old girl found me begging not to crash into any opponents. I even went off the track in the first corner of the second lap. Surely it couldn't get worse than that until you spin out and clip a Honda Del Sol. No more TVR racing for me. Seriously...what was I thinking?

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    I've had worse ideas.
    They don't make them like they used to...for good reason.

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    So, the final verdict. I was fairly certain the old dowager was a sure-fire sleeper until the race at Brands Hatch, and now, I'm kinda on the fence. There's a target for this car, and I guess I'm just not it. It's beautiful, and it's powerful, but for each plus it sacrifices something in the way of handling and livability. But, I'm feeling a generous mood today, so I'm going to give it a Sleeper mark. And if you keep it away from anything resembling a track, that's exactly what it is. But if you think I'm an idiot, and take it to every track day ever...well, I hope you like oversteer. Why isn't TVR just called Oversteer Motor Company again?



     
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    The following story is from Jerrad Campbell on G+. He and his son, Seb, race with us on Saturdays and have been mentioned here before.

    Hundreds of miles away, still have to go see the principal....

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