Best way to lower ratings cleanly

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Ken Pile
it's a long long slog to level 50 for the platinum :-/
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As I said, I have the Platinum. Level 50 is a slow grind. Blue Moon Oval, custom races, pit the Mazda sports car with a Group X car and invest in 2 rubber bands for your hand controller ;-)
 
Can't win? Let's take the easy option of beating slower drivers in lower ranks! Who cares if they want that trophy too, or who cares about their frustration of seeing a similarly ranked driver driving away from them so easily?

As soon as I saw the win & pole trophies in achievements, I knew it would turn matchmaking into a farcical mini game...
 
TT92
As I said, I have the Platinum. Level 50 is a slow grind. Blue Moon Oval, custom races, pit the Mazda sports car with a Group X car and invest in 2 rubber bands for your hand controller ;-)
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Sorry for not reading that you have the platinum and congratulations! I use the X-bow tuned to X300 at Blue Moon to earn 8250 every 12 minutes. Mind numbing but I think the fastest option.

kilesa4568
Can't win? Let's take the easy option of beating slower drivers in lower ranks! Who cares if they want that trophy too, or who cares about their frustration of seeing a similarly ranked driver driving away from them so easily?

As soon as I saw the win & pole trophies in achievements, I knew it would turn matchmaking into a farcical mini game...
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Yes, even in this PC world that we live in, we can't all be winners! ha ha

I already know I'm not the best or fastest driver but at least I can try and get the trophies.
 
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Ken Pile
I'm sure most of us have been through this. Win a bunch of races and then come to a standstill because the guys you are now racing with, due to your progress, are way faster.

All I want to do right now is win 91 races ( currently stuck on 75 ). What is the best way to lower my SR or DR or what ever is necessary to bring the competition below my skill level?

I mean cleanly, without effecting other players. I've tried getting disqualified, crashing into barriers, quitting mid game etc but it doesn't seem to work, or at least not effectively.

When I was ascending the ranks it seemed too easy to go backwards but now it seems impossible.

Once I have my 91 races I will be happy to play regular and get up with the best guys and keep loosing but have a fun race.
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What is your PSN?

Dropping your Dr/Sr isn't the best idea IMO. It isn't right to just purposely beat up on slower drivers and taking wins/poles away from them. It makes your stats meaningless. You've already attained 75 wins which is more than most, why not just keep at it? By that pace, you'll have it eventually...
 
TheGeologist
What is your PSN?

Dropping your Dr/Sr isn't the best idea IMO. It isn't right to just purposely beat up on slower drivers and taking wins/poles away from them. It makes your stats meaningless. You've already attained 75 wins which is more than most, why not just keep at it? By that pace, you'll have it eventually...
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Couldn’t have said it any better.
 
TheGeologist
What is your PSN?

Dropping your Dr/Sr isn't the best idea IMO. It isn't right to just purposely beat up on slower drivers and taking wins/poles away from them. It makes your stats meaningless. You've already attained 75 wins which is more than most, why not just keep at it? By that pace, you'll have it eventually...
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I can't beat the best guys. I'm not beating up on slower drivers, just trying to get that trophy. I think the S/S guys are beating up on me! ha ha. They spend all day at the top, winning every race easily. They need a coffee break :-)

Once I get my trophy I will proceed as you suggested so I won't be "beating up" the slower guys. It's easy to get up in the S ranks for SR
 
Sander 001
PD was stupid to put that trophy in, it really exposes the flaw in their SR/DR systems.

They should’ve made more trophies about racing cleanly and properly instead!!
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I think having realistic damage would help deter deliberate contact, maybe even just in some daily races
 
flamingchariot
Don't play GT anymore you've ruined it gaming the play instead of playing the game
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Was that a response to me?

The OP asked for the best way to drop his rating, if my answer works it will be the most clean way to do it, it worked for me... every time i was disconnected from races!

Is he morally entitled to drop his rank to win more races? It is ok to smurf lower rank races? Is he a decent human being for doing this? Is PD being fair? All these questions could be answered in a thread full of flames.
 
Seems pretty pointless to do that. If youre good enough you will still win races whatever your highest rank is. You dont play on easy for the story do you?
 
Famine
For all games as far back as I can remember, the game has been to work out the game and play it. The skill to recognise what you need to do to achieve something in the game and do it is no less of a talent than having the skill to do it straightforwardly.

The online trophies have no minimum DR/SR requirement, you just have to start races on pole, finish races and win races. The PSN trophies don't care if you're an S/S alien or a D/E with fists of ham - or a D/E alien sitting down there on purpose. A pole is a pole and a win is a win.

There are other things in the game which do care - the FIA championships, for example. If it mattered, I'm sure it could have been set to "win 91 races with a Driver Rating of S", but it wasn't.

Even so, some people aren't ever going to get that pole position trophy, because however poor the competition is in their lobby, someone always has to be the worst of the lot. Finding 11 people that this person can outqualify, 65 times, is almost infinitely improbable.
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So, the best way is to tank your SR, because matchmaking seems to be heavily based on SR and dropping your SR drags DR down when it hits certain points too. If you can get it below 4 it will reset DR to 7,000, which is much easier than trying to get your DR to fall to 7,000.

To do this cleanly, quitting races works. It doesn't matter when you quit and it doesn't seem to matter which race you quit from; you'll lose 5SR every time.

If you want to speed that up, get disqualified for having too many penalties. The cleanest way to do that is to start last, and absolutely Maldonado every corner - you'll want to cut the inside at max chat, and then smash into the barriers on the outside. Dragon Trail is great for this - three hairpins. Once you get over a minute of penalties (which shouldn't even take half a lap at Dragon Trail) you'll be counted down, then disqualified.

It is possible to dump SR much quicker than this, but it's basically reliant on finding an asshat who wants to ram you at every opportunity, and then being near them for the whole race. It's not especially clean, and just reinforces asshattery.
 
Ken Pile
I think having realistic damage would help deter deliberate contact, maybe even just in some daily races
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Definitely! I’ve said this before but the best online experience I’ve ever had was the original Forza Motorsport; You ram somebody and it damages your steering, making you drive all over the place for maybe 30 seconds. You made damn sure that didn’t happen because it would lead to huge amounts of time lost!

It lead to very clean racing, have no idea why subsequent titles got rid of this. Yamaguchi please!
 
Ken Pile
I can't beat the best guys. I'm not beating up on slower drivers, just trying to get that trophy. I think the S/S guys are beating up on me! ha ha. They spend all day at the top, winning every race easily. They need a coffee break :-)

Once I get my trophy I will proceed as you suggested so I won't be "beating up" the slower guys. It's easy to get up in the S ranks for SR
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What rank are you? I guess your S/S.
If you are I get what your saying, since reaching DRS myself.
After 2 days of racing at Suzuka and today at the ring I feel that I'm there just making up the numbers on the grid for the Alien's to beat.
Since reaching S the only wins or podiums I've had are when the others have pitted and I haven't.

I would put myself as a above average player, I can be consistent but definitely not on there level in terms of speed .
But With this ranking system it has landed me racing the best guys in my region and yes when I first got there I was super proud of myself, but now reality is setting in. You have to be careful what you wish for as all I can hope for is a couple of mid grid battles if im lucky get a top 5 finish.

Nothing beats racing a grid of people that are at your level and having great battles while fighting for the win.
 
simsimsheree
Is the Trophy for the wins really worth gaming the system and making a mockery of the whole thing? I mean, you know you gamed the system for the achievement... So you know you didn't 'earn' it. Who you trying to impress? :guilty:
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1- The game doesn't differentiate wins depending on competition. A win is a win.

2 - The matching algorithm keeps moving the goal posts on you. As you get slightly better, the competition becomes MASSIVELY more challenging.

On my way up through the ranks, I have put down a lap worthy of pole, won a race, then started 13th the next time through. The system people are "gaming" is not exactly consistent.

Is anyone willing to review their wins and give back any that may be questionable? I doubt it. I don't know what game you guys are playing, but it's pretty tough to intentionally go from a mid to high A rank to a D or C. Exiting a race because the competition all a sudden got jacked shouldn't be frowned upon.
 
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It may also be that you only need to be a lower S,A,B,C etc. As normally you are put against similar skill. Uppers usually put against uppers and lowers against lowers. If you are a D you wont always go against D's, only in manufacturers races and some nations.
 
Jeez all of this talk of tanking DR on so many threads. I wish I had that problem, but I struggle just to maintain a C/DR. Hope to get to B soon.
I’m at 12 hard fought wins in 686 races. I get your point though on wanting to obtain that trophy, just do not agree with this methodology
 
Ken Pile
I can't beat the best guys. I'm not beating up on slower drivers, just trying to get that trophy. I think the S/S guys are beating up on me! ha ha. They spend all day at the top, winning every race easily. They need a coffee break :-)

Once I get my trophy I will proceed as you suggested so I won't be "beating up" the slower guys. It's easy to get up in the S ranks for SR
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I see we are getting a lot of negative comments here and being criticised for trying to "beat a video game".

I should point out to all those people that are not "trophy hunters" it is only a game. We did not design the game, we did not decide on what trophies to put in the game, we did not design a &%%$**&^!!! system with DR and SR in it. We are just playing the game and using what is available in the game so as to be able to beat/complete the game without hacking or cheating. And believe me, it takes a lot of hard work and mind numbingly boring grinding to do it ;-)

Also, on a side note, has anyone actually considered that this wonderful ranking system is actually flawed and it is too easy to rank up and consequently people are being ranked outside of their actaul abilities?

Also pole positions seem to me to be nothing more than a random number generator >:-( I have had a pole position where I was 2.5 seconds (at Monza) faster than second place, yet, the next race I was 5th on the grid and 1.5 seconds behind pole!!!!! Figure that out? And NO, I did not rank up between races.

My advice to anyone trying for the trophies is, just go for, use the tips here and the best of luck to you and do not let any detractors here make you feel any less worthy for doing it. After all, it is **ONLY A VIDEO GAME!**

Proviso is, DO NOT dliberately harm anyone else trying to enjoy how they want to play their game.
 
Well good luck having any chance at the Nurb after you reach A/S. Every race the same S/S driver on pole with 8:08 qualifying time taking the wins. Us mere mortals with 8:2x qualifying times barely get to finish the race.

Don't blame people gaming the system, blame the broken matchmaking. In what RL sport event does the leader have a 20 sec gap in qualifying time and wins a 2 lap race by half a minute...

I tanked my ratings as well for the 91 wins. That took the pressure off and I'm currently at 170 wins. However most of the wins are after getting dropped to lower SR levels, involuntarily I might add. At DR.A SR 99 I never stand a chance. I guess you could game the system by playing when all the aliens are asleep, easier and more healthy to lower SR a bit until matchmaking provides some more equal ground to play on.
 
VeeDoubleU
It doesn't work as an achievement at all, because it rewards 'flip-flop' drivers who are really varied. Drivers who sometimes don't practice, and crash, but then other times do a good lap after some practice, are way more likely to get these achievements than a consistent driver. The only consistent drivers who will get these trophies are mega aliens. Even consistently high A drivers will struggle to get this trophy, (or consistently low S drivers in EMEA region).
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I prefer to be called a "hot lapper" rather than "flip flopper":dopey:
 
Ken Pile
I can't beat the best guys. I'm not beating up on slower drivers, just trying to get that trophy. I think the S/S guys are beating up on me! ha ha. They spend all day at the top, winning every race easily. They need a coffee break :-)

Once I get my trophy I will proceed as you suggested so I won't be "beating up" the slower guys. It's easy to get up in the S ranks for SR
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Again, may I ask for your psn? I'd like to see your kudosprime stats

Btw, you are beating up on them. It is akin to what Kyle Busch does in NASCAR. By racing in a rank you clearly are far greater than, you are taking wins away from others.

It's like Lewis Hamilton going to GP3 just to attain race victories...

I mean, you're free to do it, but do you really feel like you earned it by doing it this way?

(P.S. no hate at all to Busch, I like him)
 
TheGeologist
Again, may I ask for your psn? I'd like to see your kudosprime stats

Btw, you are beating up on them. It is akin to what Kyle Busch does in NASCAR. By racing in a rank you clearly are far greater than, you are taking wins away from others.

It's like Lewis Hamilton going to GP3 just to attain race victories...

I mean, you're free to do it, but do you really feel like you earned it by doing it this way?

(P.S. no hate at all to Busch, I like him)
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The problem is that PD match people first off based on their cleanliness not on their talent, If PD did it the other way around then your point would be valid about losing ranks just to beat slower players, It's PD's fault that people are forced to have to game the system.

I had a great race in the lower ranks yesterday, Yeah I won but I also DID NOT qualify on pole and had to work for the win which was by a small margin at the very end this is due to me having found a suitable place where I can be competitive and not matched against people who I simply cannot with the best will in the world beat let alone keep up with.
 
TheGeologist
It's like Lewis Hamilton going to GP3 just to attain race victories...
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What is wrong with that? IF that is what he (and his sponsors) want to do then why not? It is neither illegal, immoral or unethical so what is your point exactly?

Also, I would wager *IF* he did this then you would see the biggest fields ever in the class as every Tom, Dick and Harry would want to see how good they really are compared to a 4 times World Champion! In reallity it would actually improve the class and raise the standard.

TheGeologist
I mean, you're free to do it, but do you really feel like you earned it by doing it this way?
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Absolutely YES!
 
Ken Pile
I'm sure most of us have been through this. Win a bunch of races and then come to a standstill because the guys you are now racing with, due to your progress, are way faster.

All I want to do right now is win 91 races ( currently stuck on 75 ). What is the best way to lower my SR or DR or what ever is necessary to bring the competition below my skill level?

I mean cleanly, without effecting other players. I've tried getting disqualified, crashing into barriers, quitting mid game etc but it doesn't seem to work, or at least not effectively.

When I was ascending the ranks it seemed too easy to go backwards but now it seems impossible.

Once I have my 91 races I will be happy to play regular and get up with the best guys and keep loosing but have a fun race.
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Since Im a B/S my strategy for moving down in rankings would be much easier. Qualify on pole, dont worry about driving defensively, and hope that there are a couple of cars flying the Brazilian flag that start 2nd and 3rd, I can pretty much guarantee there will be tears. The green flag cars just dont seem to mind getting their SR lowered.
 
muz
I lost 2000 dr today. Came second last in 2 races against d level guys
Try that!
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GT Sport prioritises SR over DR in matchmaking. You can lose as much DR as you like, but if you keep your SR high you'll still end up with some quicker racers.

It's better to drop your SR. DR will fall with it anyway.
 

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