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John Crellin
Well there's also very little chance of a DR D or C player having a chance to win in higher SR levels too.

I really don't agree that it's the same thing as my analogy. And honestly it's more like a pro player showing up to play in a club league. There should be nothing barring Ronaldo from showing up to my Tuesday games. If that's what he wants then why not?
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If a well known pro player shows up at a club for a serious match it’s disrespectful to the club members and blatantly unfair to the other teams no matter how cool it would be to play against a pro. An exhibition match would be ok, but let’s face it, Renaldo isn’t ever going to waste his time and it’s unprofessional.

The entire purpose of the GTS rankings are to match you against your peers for fair play. Not get beat by a much better player fraudulently representing themselves. It’s akin to hustling pool; except there’s no money at stake, just rational egoism and PSN trophies I suppose.
 
VeeDoubleU
If he goes and plays as seriously as he does elsewhere, then it just isn't going to be very fun for the other players who will never get the ball and therefore never get a chance to actually play the game and hone their skills. You'll just have 21 other players doing nothing and never getting the ball, just watching someone prove how good they are.
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Well that's not technically true. But he would run the score up and he has that right. And I think this is as far as the analogy goes. If Lewis Hamilton raced in lower classes it be a more fair analogy. As long as he doesn't show up to a group 3 race in his F1 car and raced the same class then why would that be unfair?
 
John Crellin
Well that's not technically true. But he would run the score up and he has that right. And I think this is as far as the analogy goes. If Lewis Hamilton raced in lower classes it be a more fair analogy. As long as he doesn't show up to a group 3 race in his F1 car and raced the same class then why would that be unfair?
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GT3 drivers aren't ranked below F1 drivers because they aren't comparable, so that isn't a good analogy. If Lewis Hamilton raced in GT3, he'd actually struggle as he isn't used to it
 
cjr3559
If a well known pro player shows up at a club for a serious match it’s disrespectful to the club members and blatantly unfair to the other teams no matter how cool it would be to play against a pro. An exhibition match would be ok, but let’s face it, Renaldo isn’t ever going to waste his time and it’s unprofessional.

The entire purpose of the GTS rankings are to match you against your peers for fair play. Not get beat by a much better player fraudulently representing themselves. It’s akin to hustling pool; except there’s no money at stake, just rational egoism and PSN trophies I suppose.
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Well its a hypothetical. The OP is not professional and not comparable to Renaldo.

But the purpose actually isn't to match you with equal drivers. the entire purpose is that you are matched with your sportsmanship ratings, not by DR. So to complain that its not fair that DR S players should be competing with DR D is moot, they already do by the way the system is designed

VeeDoubleU
GT3 drivers aren't ranked below F1 drivers because they aren't comparable, so that isn't a good analogy. If Lewis Hamilton raced in GT3, he'd actually struggle as he isn't used to it
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Yep, you're correct. But i didnt say Group 3 was worse, just slower by car class. my point was that he shouldnt show up in an F1 car and be proud he won, he should race in a group 3 car and be proud. But lets change it to F2 then to fit the argument better
 
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Quick question lads.
Where can you see the DR/SR rating. I mean.. when you win or loose a race,the figures ? All I see is a little slide bar in my achievements....
 
I ran a 100 yard dash today against a one legged man...

Seems I 'earned' the victory. Mind you, I just like to collect cups! I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm an athlete :banghead:
 
simsimsheree
I ran a 100 yard dash today against a one legged man...

Seems I 'earned' the victory. Mind you, I just like to collect cups! I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm an athlete :banghead:
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See, this right here is an unfair comparison and completely misses the point. Are you implying that DR D racers are the equivalent of a handicapped athlete? Or are DR D racers just equally capable individuals in the SAME LEAGUE who happen to be slower?

I was an athlete and used to race people of all abilities. When the racing was more prestigious, it also took better qualifying time to get in. Therefore a bar had to be met to race up but never down. As a swimmer i was put in the same event as Olympians when I went to Nationals even though i was no where near their abilities, yet I never had an issue and was in fact proud to be even in the same pool as them. They crushed me. But That doesnt mean it was 'unfair'. Thats just the reality, If you want to win, you gotta be fast. Those same Olympians race on normal club teams, normal college teams, against average swimmers. I would never dream of complaining that they were taking my wins or beating up on the slower swimmers. Their talent does not preclude them from everyday races with everyday people.

These sports analogies have gone too far and are distracting from the point. Lets return to the topic please.
 
LOL. You can bet your 🤬 lower tier swimmers or runners would cry foul on a proven high tier athlete coming in and stealing their chance to get a win!

And no, the 'sport' is motorsports. So the analogies are exactly on point. And no, you never faced Olympic level athletes when there was any kind of qualification or matchmaking. Which is exactly what PD are trying to do.
 
KK78
Exactly this, in a highly competitive Sony flagship game it is a silly move to include such trophies, a good chunk of the community will be desperate to get the Platinum and as such perhaps this and some of the other golds should have been a little fairer (maybe 50 poles, 50 wins and 100 races) because as they are, lots of racers will game the system and frankly I can't blame them
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With the knowledge gained from this thread I can safely say that the platinum reward in this game isn't what it was supposed to be. Bending the races and rubberbanding the game leaves the platinum trophy behind as a symbol of well cheated. Most be great for those few that earned it the real way.
 
simsimsheree
LOL. You can bet your 🤬 lower tier swimmers or runners would cry foul on a proven high tier athlete coming in and stealing their chance to get a win!

And no, the 'sport' is motorsports. So the analogies are exactly on point. And no, you never faced Olympic level athletes when there was any kind of qualification or matchmaking. Which is exactly what PD are trying to do.
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Actually, yes i did. Olympians have to race all year round also. They race in normal college events, in club events, at nationals. I never raced them at olympic trials, because i never qualified (far from it) but i did race a few at zones(has qualifying), nationals (has qualifying), junior nationals(has qualifying), club races, and in my college career(has qualifying). Seriously. there isnt 'professional swimming' so yes, they do race normal people all the time. Phelps went to University of Michigan and raced for Michigan. That means he raced everyone who competed against michigan in those events.. and beat them... by a mile.

And... No... we never complained. it was awesome actually. got to meet them and talk with them before races get tips, they are normal people too
 
But Sport Mode isn't local meets. This is supposed to be e-motorsports at PD's highest level. You want unqualified, 'local meet' racing, we got a Lobby system. But every day, PD put on qualified and bracketed racing. Your swimmer analogy isn't relevant, because higher tier racers don't HAVE to race lower tiers just to get some practice.

You are gaming the system. Own it.
 
I think if no one tried to cheat the system to get the trophies, then you'd probably find less people feeling the need to.

A lot of people at B/C driver rating probably feel the need to drop down, because they are being beaten at B/C by S/A people who are beating them because of dropping down. (That may sound confusing but it honestly makes sense.)

We have a rating system for a reason. It might actually work if these trophies didn't exist.
 
simsimsheree
You swimmer analogy isn't relevant, because higher tier racers don't HAVE to race lower tiers just to get some practice.

You are gaming the system. Own it.
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You ever been in a Sport mode race? High ranked players get matched with low ranked player all the time. Its based on SR not DR. DR is an after thought in this system. Ask any S/S player whether they race against lower tier racers 'just to get practice'. Of course they do, its how the system works. How many times have you been in a grid with top 10 racers, happens to me all the time, and they just pull away. Im no top 10 guy.

And i dont chase trophies, i'm just defending those who do :lol:

Edit: Top 24 Superstars is probably the only Sport mode event that you have to qualify for.

In the end of the day, I've seen tons of talk about having sub accts and threads where people admit they play the game for the trophies, etc. So I look at it like this, you can fight them with moral indignation and rhetorical outrage, or you can just accept that the trophy is not the true measure of ability. That is reserved for the S rank, and Top 10 dailies, and FIA championship. If someone says to me they have the Platinum trophy I go whoopty doo
 
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John Crellin
Well there's also very little chance of a DR D or C player having a chance to win in higher SR levels too.

I really don't agree that it's the same thing as my analogy. And honestly it's more like a pro player showing up to play in a club league. There should be nothing barring Ronaldo from showing up to my Tuesday games. If that's what he wants then why not?
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My point was that high DR players would find very little to interest them with low DR players. They can run rings around slower drivers without breaking a sweat.

I can only see it harming the higher DR player's pace in the end as they'll be getting wins without ever leaving their comfort zone.

(I'm completely ignoring SR in this. Easier wins come from lower DR, not SR.)
 
kilesa4568
My point was that high DR players would find very little to interest them with low DR players. They can run rings around slower drivers without breaking a sweat.

I can only see it harming the higher DR player's pace in the end as they'll be getting wins without ever leaving their comfort zone.

(I'm completely ignoring SR in this. Easier wins come from lower DR, not SR.)
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But how they harm their progress is up to them. If they want to sit in lower ranks and not improve then whatever. No skin off my shoulder.

SR is arguably more important. I don't know if you've dropped from SR S to A or B (while maintaining DR) but the speed of the field drops drastically. I sat in SR S for many races as a B/S driver never picking up a win or pole against DR A and S racers. But as soon as I have a dirty race or a string of bad races (darn Tokyo!) and my SR drops to A or B I'm suddenly in pole and winning or in contention.

I'll agree with all of you that the wins in SR S are much more rewarding but also much less common. But as I've said many times before. IMO it's not about the wins it's about the racing.

My win percentage is like 4% so it had better be about the racing :lol:
 
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The other thing to consider is what if PD decides to address sandbagging? Imagine all of those race forfeits and dramatic drops in SR stacking up. What if they start cracking down on that and banning people? I don’t think it’ll quite get to that level of scrutiny, but that’s partly why I shy away from exploits since I’m afraid it’ll lead to my account getting banned.
 
PD have already banned players for gaming the system, using exploits like the pit lane shenanigans to win races. Would anyone shed a tear if the same happened to those who artificially (and quite noticeably) lowered their rating to get guaranteed wins?

I doubt it.

It wouldn't even be hard for PD to stop the practice. Once you have reached an upper tier position. don't count wins if they are achieved after you have dropped precipitously to MUCH lower tiers. Problem solved, you're welcome!

Currently I'm A/S, wouldn't make a deliberate a drop in rating for a free XJ-13, let alone a hollow trophy!

If they matter that much to anybody, can I suggest playing Pokemon? :D
 
I don't understand how you're finding it difficult? I've gone from S to E in two races before without the slightest intention of tanking or being dirty. Happened on the N24 in the dark (thankfully was a second account). If your SR drops to E, your DR automatically drops to D
 
Satomiblood
The other thing to consider is what if PD decides to address sandbagging? Imagine all of those race forfeits and dramatic drops in SR stacking up. What if they start cracking down on that and banning people? I don’t think it’ll quite get to that level of scrutiny, but that’s partly why I shy away from exploits since I’m afraid it’ll lead to my account getting banned.
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Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Please explain to me the difference between the matchmaking giving you an easy field to run against, being unintentionally bumped down a few SR ranks and ending up with an easy field, or managing your ranking to keep yourself in that sweet spot?

It's all exactly the same. The game deals you "sandbagging" scenarios all of the time. If it happens naturally though regular game progress, how will the game ever be able to determine if a player is intentionally managing his progress?

It's all just different goal posts that you have to work toward.
 
kilesa4568
My point was that high DR players would find very little to interest them with low DR players. They can run rings around slower drivers without breaking a sweat.

I can only see it harming the higher DR player's pace in the end as they'll be getting wins without ever leaving their comfort zone.

(I'm completely ignoring SR in this. Easier wins come from lower DR, not SR.)
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This is plainly just ridiculous! The game ranks you and consequently places you in a race based on SR. And **IF** you hurt your SR by some bad driving (or in my case usually bad luck) your DR can also drop (sometimes drasticly).
 
Voodoovaj
Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Please explain to me the difference between the matchmaking giving you an easy field to run against, being unintentionally bumped down a few SR ranks and ending up with an easy field, or managing your ranking to keep yourself in that sweet spot?

It's all exactly the same. The game deals you "sandbagging" scenarios all of the time. If it happens naturally though regular game progress, how will the game ever be able to determine if a player is intentionally managing his progress?

It's all just different goal posts that you have to work toward.
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I obviously don’t set those parameters. I don’t know if it’s something PD will be able to implement or how effective, if at all, it’ll be at detecting those distinctions. But I certainly wouldn’t rule out the possibility of that behavior being looked at. It’s just a theory, not something I’m touting as absolute fact. Remember, I even admitted it was probably a stretch.
 
Well, for anyone that believes playing against slower drivers is dishonourable, I would hope that those people who start races in the top 3 positions exit races and only play when they start mid pack or lower. Unless you are in a room full of S drivers, if you start in a podium spot, then the rest of the field is a cake walk.
 
@Voodoovaj

Believe it or not, I really am not trying to start anything with you in this thread. I have an opinion on this matter that I believe was expressed thoughtfully and respectfully. I think part of the problem is that many of the players doing this are at such a high level that those such as myself, who are at a much lower grade by comparison, can’t really visualize the problem they’re dealing with. These efforts are far from a cheap exploit and more a way of trying to level the field. I get that the matchmaking is problematic, but my viewpoint on it was just limited. Perhaps it won’t be anymore.
 
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