BIASED GTP-ers!

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I'll stick my big foot into this hole and start a fight with a few people I know, but this has been bothering me for quite some time. But I get the impression that there are a lot of tagged GTP guys out there who only have respect for fellow taggers.

Now I've made quite a few mates with GTP tags and whilst I never question the integrity of the driving standard, I am beginning to question the morale behind certain drivers (and these people do NOT include my GTP mates). It would appear that they are very one-eyed in their approach to a race and fail to give a great deal of respect or even acknowledgment to anyone they race against who doesn't carry the GTP tag.

This is shameful, arrogant behaviour. Some of you guys should be disgusted because you prance around with your tags thinking that your skills and so-called racing ettiquette makes you superior to everyone else. Very few people have ever been given true acceptance and respect on this board (I could probably count them on ONE hand) and time after time, I keep reading posts about 'non-tagged guys' versus 'us GTP guys'.

It is for this very specific reason that I abhor tags, it lends itself to snobbery far too easily. I gotta say I'd be ashamed to wear a GTP tag and so should a lot of members of this board, most of which are downright cool and great blokes. I don't judge based on tag or not, I judge by what I see out there on the track.

Now take your best shot please and don't hold back because I wanna see what you blokes are really made of.

-Sonny
 
Bah, you are a rival EU Playstation board member :p


*joke*


To be honest I havent noticed much of this, I have seen many many times people comment on good racers that are not even at GTP, just look at the truth123 thread.
 
I have come across many tags, not just from here and most are good racers/courteous and i'm glad to have several in my friends list, from here and GT5_net, i do find though that some are arrogant and must believe that they do no wrong hence do not apologise after or wait during and sometimes i find myself sending them a message even when i don't think im the one to blame saying sorry, think all who wear tags should lead by example
 
A tag is like a nice shirt or a good haircut, or perhaps a uniform of some sort: it helps frame a first impression when nothing else is known about the player. Once you race them a few times though, it's too late for first impressions, and it's all about what you show on the track.

About half my friends list bear the GTP tag, the other half are a mix who either are untagged regular posters on GT Planet, or racers who for all I know have never heard of the site.
 
I spent two full weeks, after buying GT5P (and the PS3) running in the begginer one-make races. Never met a tagged player there, and knew many punters and many clean drivers, some of them are in my friends list.

When I moved to Pro (didn't bother trying Intermediate) the first person I added/added me (not sure) to my friends list was a non tagged GTP player (Cashwars).

I really don't care about tags when I'm having a race. Sure, it is fun to know that the other players are regular posters here, sure it is fun to keep the 00-15-30-45 schedule in mind to keep meeting them, but I respect every racer the same way.

But there's one difference: I know that GTP members (tagged or not tagged) know that there's a GTP code of online conduct. So, I expect them to follow it, and in most cases, my expectations in that matter have been confirmed.

And I've not seen - or didn't notice - any difference in the behaviour of GTP-tagged racers towards others based on "tagged status".

The only difference I see is that some GTP'ers hit back punters, others don't. But we knew already that there were different oppinions about the "hit back issue", from the poll (and thread) we have here about that subject.
 
So far i have not had any real problems racing with the GTP players, i'm not tagged(though i have used this site for years now) and find that they have plenty of respect for me, anyone that has had a run-in with me has apologised immediately or stopped to let me go back past.

Just for the record GTP racers, if you hit me and it is unintentional, don't wait for me(unless of course we're both running last by miles/laps) as i know it would not have been a small error on your part and this happens in racing, it's something you got to deal with. I would rather see you guys get back to the top from wherever you ended up than just wait for my slow ass to get off the gravel.
 
I don't run with a tag. I enjoy being a member on this site but don't feel the need to run with a tag, though I do try and drive according to the high standards of many of the racers here. For me, any tag is just an indication at the start of the race that I'm likely to be up against someone who is passionate about the game.
 
I use my GTP tag. I see few players with these tags as well. They really good drivers, Always respecting others. Its our job to do so in this community. I never seen any GTP tagged member driving unrespectful
 
I have seen some GTP driving for the kill. Frankly I could care less if they are going to ruin a punters race. Because the simply fact is they wouldn't think not even for a millionth of a sec to slam us, punt us..ect. I believe in justice.. Sometimes its just a good business.

Hacks dont deserve the respect once they cross my path and then all bets are off
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I agree with that.

What I think you see is just retalition from a GTP, because I have never seen a GTP member just out right punt someone for the heck of it. There has to be some kind of history behind it all.

Just for the record GTP racers, if you hit me and it is unintentional, don't wait for me(unless of course we're both running last by miles/laps) as i know it would not have been a small error on your part and this happens in racing, it's something you got to deal with. I would rather see you guys get back to the top from wherever you ended up than just wait for my slow ass to get off the gravel.
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Now I have seen this happen plenty of times.. It happens to me a lot. A GTP hits me and just doesn't wait. Especially in a Tournament..all bets are off. I have not seen one GTP wait for me in a Tournament. I guess they feel I was in the way, not sure.. But for whatever reason ive seen it. On the one side you have to take into account their side of the story. 75% of the time they didn't see you, becuase they are using the crappy in car view..which gets you about 70% viewing out the car.. The other 25% is just Ego.."oh I am not stopping for him" It was his fualt I hit him..He came into my racing line..blah blah blah..

I was in a GTP race just this week where a lot of bumps and hits where made on me and no one seemed to care..just kept on going.. The thinking behind that was, of its ok..its just Eiger..we can't control these cars.. so we will use others as bumpers.. I don't race like that and I will do my best to not hit you..even if it takes me 2.5 laps to make a quality pass, I will do that.. Instead of ruining your race with a risky move.

The thing the blew me a way was their attitude when I got upset with them. There are no expections with me and racing clean..if you can't make quality passes then don't pass or learn how to drive the bloody car.

You can count on me to race you very clean..


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I think having the "GTP_" moniker has advantages and disadvantages. I have on occasion received implied respect on the track almost certainly because I have "a tag" but I've probably also been purposefully punted for the same reason. I have no reservations attempting legitimate overtake moves on a "tagged" player because I am 95% sure they will drive a normal line. But, like you AERO, I have encountered some VERY bad tagged drivers GTP and non-GTP alike.

With the tag at the front during a race, I feel under scrutiny for every single action on the track which can be good and bad. I'm happy to be accountable for my actions but I don't want to become too timid to attempt any semi-difficult overtakes. I have also become a "punt-back" type of person which I guess if viewed by someone not privvy to prior incidents might be seen as a bad example for GTP.

I think the tags are 95% good, it may not be a perfect system but it certainly isn't bad in my opinion.
 
AERO_HDT
I'll stick my big foot into this hole and start a ****-fight with a few people I know, but this has been bothering me for quite some time. But I get the impression that there are a lot of tagged GTP guys out there who only have respect for fellow taggers.
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I actually tested this myself. My PSN for GT5:P is GTP_DTWmetro, and my regular account is just DTWmetro. However, I have one other account that has a completely different, unrelated name (that I use for downloading stuff from the JP store) - this is the one I used. I went online when a tournament was going on, just to see how I, a random player, was treated. And the results were...

Terrific. The GTP racers drove as well around me as they would if I had my GTP tag. There were tagless punters of course, but I was not automatically treated as a rammer just because I had no tag.

Perhaps there are some GTP members who behave like asses towards tagless or unfamiliar racers. If so, they are behaving shamefully and are dirtying what our tags are supposed to represent. But not the ones I raced against.
 
I look at it as: a tagged racer will get my instant respect based on the fact they know there are rules here, i am yet to get taken out bad by a GTP racer but i feel that knowing that the person is a GTP member gives me more comfort knowing they might get an earbashing for foul play.

Personally I do look a GTP members differently to other random people not in a biased manner, but in the way that i know if i'm gonna make a clean pass, they will let it happen(how many times you tried to overtake some unknown only to get sideswiped)be it on the inside or outside. I will say that I have more respect for the GTP racers than others, mainly due to the fact I can talk to them here and know they want god racing as much as i do. I think people are too worried about winning and getting prize money as to having good clean races and this needs to be remedied in order to have the most fun.

So far the best moment of racing with GTP people was sittin side by side with Earth coming out onto the straight on HSR, yes i could have gotten right up behind him and slip-streamed him, put pressure on him and whatnot but the fun of clean close racing is where i get my enjoyment out of it. I would rather go a whole race with everyone by my side than sit right far out in front.

People seem to look past the fact that this is as game, it is made for enjoyment not serious competition. After all is said and done, it is just a video game...Sorry for my ramblings, just hoped this would explain to you guys my thoughts on racing and having fun...
 
91hondawagon
I actually tested this myself. My PSN for GT5:P is GTP_DTWmetro, and my regular account is just DTWmetro. However, I have one other account that has a completely different, unrelated name (that I use for downloading stuff from the JP store) - this is the one I used. I went online when a tournament was going on, just to see how I, a random player, was treated. And the results were...

Terrific. The GTP racers drove as well around me as they would if I had my GTP tag. There were tagless punters of course, but I was not automatically treated as a rammer just because I had no tag.

Perhaps there are some GTP members who behave like asses towards tagless or unfamiliar racers. If so, they are behaving shamefully and are dirtying what our tags are supposed to represent. But not the ones I raced against.
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I too race with a completely different non-GTP ID on occasion. I'll do this if I'm having a really "off" night and don't want to let other GTP members down by driving poorly. Most frequently I use it when trying to learn a new car or a new track or trying weird tunes which I think might screw things up, so that I'm not sullying the good GTP name! :)

And I've very rarely run into any trouble with GTP-tagged drivers. Overall I think we're doing a fairly good job of being clean drivers.
 
I haven't noticed this with GTP-ers mainly because I don't race much online but I do know where you are coming from. When I played Forza 2 I used to belong and was invited to many top racing teams but I often found this arrogant attitude amongst teams which put me off.

The only thing I will say about those with GTP tags is they don't seem to spend much time hotlapping in time trials. Naturally winning races online takes skill but in my experience of racing games you often find the most skilled racers dominating the hotlap leaderboards.
 
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The only thing I will say about those with GTP tags is they don't seem to spend much time hotlapping in time trials. Naturally winning races online takes skill but in my experience of racing games you often find the most skilled racers dominating the hotlap leaderboards.
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You're only saying that cos you're at the top of a load of time trial boards ;) I'm up there with a few and I still enjoy the time trials, but I enjoy racing more. They are two very different skills, in racing you have to be quick straight away, on not necessarily very good tyres, with other people around you. Hotlapping may be higher pace but you can spend hundreds of laps if needs be getting the perfect time, so in that respect it's easier. I don't know how many laps you and the other BRC guys take to get the top laps you do, but if you ever see me up there it's usually the work of no more than about 7 or 8 laps, because I simply can't be bothered doing hundreds of laps just to get the top times!

It's why I've slipped from a number of number one time trial places recently - I think there are a lot of people doing a certain car and track over and over, when I just went there, set a lap I was happy with by lap 4, and then didn't touch it again.
 
homeforsummer
You're only saying that cos you're at the top of a load of time trial boards ;) I'm up there with a few and I still enjoy the time trials, but I enjoy racing more. They are two very different skills, in racing you have to be quick straight away, on not necessarily very good tyres, with other people around you. Hotlapping may be higher pace but you can spend hundreds of laps if needs be getting the perfect time, so in that respect it's easier. I don't know how many laps you and the other BRC guys take to get the top laps you do, but if you ever see me up there it's usually the work of no more than about 7 or 8 laps, because I simply can't be bothered doing hundreds of laps just to get the top times!

It's why I've slipped from a number of number one time trial places recently - I think there are a lot of people doing a certain car and track over and over, when I just went there, set a lap I was happy with by lap 4, and then didn't touch it again.
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Certainly agree its a different style although a hotlapper oftens runs within :500 of their best time which can be very effective when racing online.

As for how many laps we run its usually around 4 or 5 depending on how enjoyable the car is to handle. Often the first 2laps we spend learning braking points, ideal racing line because this sometimes changes depending on car, then we learn which gears to use and more importantly when to change gear. Sometimes you can improve your laptime by 1sec by simply changing at 6000rpm instead of 7000rpm depending on the car you use.

We don't usually spend too much time at the moment because whenever an update is performed the boards are wiped which is why we don't spend to long on each leaderboard. We are now taking a break from GT5P and have returned to Forza 2 mainly so we can race each other online and of course compete for laptimes.
 
I wasn't questioning the driving integrity of any GTP drivers, I have yet to come across a GTP who's been lousy behind the wheel. The standard of the members of this board are very high and they're ALL a pleasure to race against. But when it's all said and done, I come back here and see this constant sledging about 'non-tagged guys who can't race and they're crap, yahdee yahdah yahdaah.... blah blah blurt.'

Weary, you and Poncha were two of the very first GTP players I met online and after two or three races with you guys, I decided that you both would be great mates. I had no idea you were a mod on this board, it wouldn't have influenced my decision either way because quite simply, you're easily one of the quickest, cleanest, most impressive drivers I've ever seen. I still remember that battle you had with Zabeu a few weeks ago.

But there are people here who flat-out don't give non-tagged driver's any respect, they're predjudice against anyone without a GTP in front of their name and I don't think I'll ever add some of these guys to a friends list, I'll never go easy on them in a race and wait for them to catch up. I'll hammer my car as fast as I can for an entire race, I'll overtake them when they make mistakes and ghost and I'll never look back and shake their hands because I know they'll never shake mine simply because I'm not known as GTP_AERO.
 
AERO_HDT
But there are people here who flat-out don't give non-tagged driver's any respect, they're predjudice against anyone without a GTP in front of their name and I don't think I'll ever add some of these guys to a friends list, I'll never go easy on them in a race and wait for them to catch up. I'll hammer my car as fast as I can for an entire race, I'll overtake them when they make mistakes and ghost and I'll never look back and shake their hands because I know they'll never shake mine simply because I'm not known as GTP_AERO.
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I think GTP_AERO sounds pretty neat :)

In all seriousness, 90% of the GTP-tagged drivers I have raced with have been clean, but if something should happen to me they won't stop for me, it was only as I started to race with them more often at the front that they would stop, especially if they had been responsible. I think apart from blatant punters, most people who have caused me problems have stopped and I really think there is more sportsmanship going on because they see more examples of it on the track themselves. Well...in PRO events anyway.

In your case AERO, I've never seen you online and have really been looking forward to racing with you. I have observed your posting style on these and other boards to be eloquent, measured, intelligent and modest. You are instantly recogniseable from your posts, remembered and by all accounts you have a marvellous racing ability to go with that. Whether you like it or not that helps make you a bit more 'known', and I think you will experience less apathy from board members who meet you on the track, just as non-tagged members like Zabeu et al will too because of the obvious respect people have for their skills and their fast-spreading reputation and courteous driving. In addition to the fact that you are both now active members of these boards.

Now I know your original post was not a self-centred thing, so even if you gain more respect on track from GTP tagged drivers, you worry that other unknown drivers may not. I have seen a few examples where posts have been made suggesting that non-tagged members and unknown quantities will not be given the benefit of the doubt, and I disagree with that attitude also, but a lot of online communities are like this in my experience...it helps when your name starts to get 'known'.

But yes, ideally, anyone who races online should be afforded the same respect and consideration regardless of their online handle, and should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I hope this post wasn't a waste of your time, all the best
Synwraith
 
I have three times as many good races with GTP'ers then I have had bad. End of story.

I get a little grin on my face and and little adrenline kick seeing a name that I know and respect.
 
I have to say, first of all, that some (if not most) of my best races have been against non-GTP tags, most of those times they aren't even members here or I didn't know it at the time, namely when I did a series of fantastic races against AutoAki. 👍

As far as having GTP tag users being disrespectful for other drivers (or at least non-tagged ones), I'm sincerely yet to see any of that.

While online, I can't deny the fact that watching a field of people with tags (GTP, GTNDC, GT5net, GTR, GTRP, etc.) makes me feel a lot better on the race I'm about to have, more confident that it'll be a clean race.
But this doesn't mean I'll show no respect for non-tagged drivers. Only difference in my behaviour, at least initially until I know their true intentions, is to be extra-careful when trying to overtake so as to not put myself in a position where I can easily be pushed, or double-checking the mirrors if they're on my tail. After those first impressions, if all goes well, it's as if they were tagged for me.

As Weary said, wearing a tag can be a two edged sword, though I truly believe the good far surpasses the bad in this case.
I've also been under the impression that I'm immediately respected from the point my name is seen on the startup list, which usually makes for better, cleaner races. On the other hand, though it only happened a few times, someone I've never come across before takes the tag as if it meant I'm a punch bag and decides to screw my race as much as possible.

All in all, wearing a tag is not warranty for anything, but at least to me, it comes down to a matter of innocent until proven guilty Vs dubious until proven clean on track.

Plus, it's a great and different way to interact with GTP members outside of these boards. 👍
 
I dropped my GTP_ tag about a month ago and I don’t know how to measure how much more enjoyable it’s been. Although I still get punted, it’s not near what it used to be. (It also could be they have moved on to other games) I don’t see any other GTP’ers acting out against me as a non tagger. It feels like I blend in more and other racers don’t have to be as aggressive when driving against me. Maybe with a GTP tag others tend to push harder and more incidences happen because they know it’s going to be hard to beat a GTP_tag.
 
i came across to GTP_Racers which werent that fair to me either (non GTP_Tag).

I was in 2nd at pp600 suzuka when GTP_****** bumped me hardcore in the back and didnt wait or slow down for me to catch up again. The same happened with another GTP_Fellow member.

Also i have to say i had 1 very good race with another GTP_Racer! Great!

Chris
 
i blame it on the tagged/untagged elite drivers, people push harder when in a race with the elite, maybe becoming a little blinkered to what is happening around them, especially behind them....my remedy is for the elite to go slower...all in favour say aye:sly:
 
i doubt i need to really say anything...because i feel that most of the comments i have posted has been giving praise to "non GTP members" i treat you all the same, and there's been loads of times where i have been 5-10secs ahead at the front and pulled to the side to last position if i know a GTP'er is racing by themselves. i say name and shame...and let them sort their game out..................
 
Any chance of the OP naming names? He clearly stated its disgusting what he sees taking place ... surely the disgusting GTP tagged racers have names and naming them will be ample fuel for the fight he is so looking forward too :)

Unfortunately I have not raced the OP as his crappy connection kicks me everytime I end up on the grid with him .. so I know he has not seen my driving 1st hand. :cool:
 
I don't drive with a GTP tag, but enough GTP drivers recognize me when I'm in the races and we usually have good battles. Yes, I do admit I am one of the more aggressive drivers at times, but if I do accidentally bump someone off the track, I always wait for them and then continue.
 
i think that everyone should put each others name in the dictionary, i mean all the racers you have raced with, maybe a little explantation on their driving style. i don't mind criticism, i take it onboard, question myself and if i think you have a valid point i will change.

i think this is the best idea, anyone else have any others?
 

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