Bloated Car List

[Jbaffoh]

Mini-modding isn't something you should be doing.

I could name at least 5 more racing skylines, so case wide open.


Not once have you asked me that specifically, and yet I came back with my point in reference (the Supra), and you can't accept that.

It seem's YOU'RE doing the mini-modding here. I was just commenting on your glass house.

Five more racing Skylines? Not from the Nissan dealership. If you want to include NISMO's, etc., there are also street versions I haven't counted. But this gets us back to the original point: Even if the ratio were 40:8 instead of 40:3 (which it's not), your addition of those cars is statistically insignificant to the point being well made by the OP. I know, this is way over your head, and you're going to come back with more irrelevant drivel.

Finally, if you count back 9 posts, you'll see I specifically asked you to prove your point with numbers of Skylines, Sylvias or Mazdas. And instead of saying "I could name," DO IT! That's what adults do--we use actual numbers and examples instead of arguing ourselves into impossible corners like petulant 14-year-olds.

 

[Bo]

And instead of saying "I could name," DO IT! That's what adults do--we use actual numbers and examples instead of arguing ourselves into impossible corners like petulant 14-year-olds.

Niiice, bringing age into this is the worst thing anyone could do. Shows maturity. Adults can show respect too.

Five more racing Skylines? Not from the Nissan dealership. If you want to include NISMO's, etc., there are also street versions I haven't counted. And instead of saying "I could name," DO IT! That's what adults do--we use actual numbers and examples instead of arguing ourselves into impossible corners like petulant 14-year-olds.

This may shock you, but:
FALKEN GT-R '04
CALSONIC SKYLINE GT-R '93
PENNZOIL ZEXEL GT-R '01
CALSONIC SKYLINE '01
LOCTITE ZEXEL GT-R '00
PENNZOIL Nismo GT-R '99
XANAVI HIROTO GT-R '01
XANAVI NISMO GT-R '03

Plus the 3 GT5 DLC race cars.

That's a little bit more than the 3 cars you were so sure on.

It Even if the ratio were 40:8 instead of 40:3 (which it's not), your addition of those cars is statistically insignificant to the point being well made by the OP. I know, this is way over your head, and you're going to come back with more irrelevant drivel.

If you care to understand my point, i'm saying that, categorically, and there is no yes or no on this:
Stating that racing cars, which have no real relation to their road car namesakes, are in fact duplicates of the road cars themselves, is a massive error.
I do not need any statistics to prove this.

 

[DaBomm4]

Niiice, bringing age into this is the worst thing anyone could do. Shows maturity. Adults can show respect too.

The thing is, YOUR maturity is showing, and if anyone is doing mini-modding, they are trying to help you from getting banned.

Also, race car versions of a car, even how loosely similar they are, are still based on the original car.

 

[Bo]

The thing is, YOUR maturity is showing, and if anyone is doing mini-modding, they are trying to help you from getting banned.

Mini-modding is a bannable offence in itself I believe, and I don't take very kindly to it, since a real moderator has already sorted things out.
I need everybody to understand exactly what I was saying, because everything seems to have got mashed and lost...

 

[TexRex]

Prove it. Pic a car like the Skyline or Sylvia or Miata/Eunos/Roadster and add up all the variants. Then subtract the race cars from the total, and show me that the sheer number of street variants is insufficient to prove his point. Guess what--a drop from 30 to 26 is insignificant in this context.

The point is that we don't need dozens of Miatas in a game that lacks the iconic Mustang coupe, the 12 cylinder XKE, and every important Maserati (these are just random examples). We're saturated with mediocre ricers, while much of the automotive world is completely ignored.

As I stated earlier, it's a game developed by a Japanese company and is inherently going to favor "ricers." And since you choose to use such a term, I feel no need to hesitate to say that we have more Mustangs than we need, a bloated late model Jaguar with an underpowered V12 and plastic bumper overriders is unnecessary, and I can possibly root for a classic Ghibli or A6 but even if corporate Maserati allowed it (which I don't see tem doing, honestly), there are far more important cars to include.

It's been established that we're inundated with Miatas because of the game being marketed in various regions and then combined for GT5, it's not like they painstakingly modeled each and every version.

The company lead actually races a GT-R, a car inspired by earlier Skyline GT-Rs, so it's reasonable to assume he has an affinity for them and should include as many as he wants.

Brand/model exclusivity between game houses limits what can be incorporated, and people don't always seem to get that.

I'll go on the record and say I fully support your right to develop a game of your own and do so as you choose, with the caveat that you'll need to deal with everything they've had forced upon them. Good luck.

 

[DaBomm4]

Nicely said @TexRex.

 

[86Debris86]

Looks like hsv010 is getting a little bit unfairly ganged up on here for pointing out, perfectly validly, that a significant (not enormous; noticeable) amount of cars (supras, originally, to be specific) originally listed as duplicates are in fact not. They're race car versions.

What's the problem? He has a point. It's worth noting if only for the sake of accuracy.

If you'd read my posts, you would know I was never talking about the Supra.

If you read his, you'd realise he was. Initially.

 

[Bo]

Also, race car versions of a car, even how loosely similar they are, are still based on the original car.

Super GT cars, which the vast majority of race cars we're referring to are, currently carry over 0% from their road cars.
The older cars have the loose frames off the road cars, but they're clipped beyond belief. Maybe 5% carried over at most.
Hardly a duplicate of a road car.

Looks like hsv010 is getting a little bit unfairly ganged up on here for pointing out, perfectly validly, that a significant (not enormous; noticeable) amount of cars (supras, originally, to be specific) originally listed as duplicates are in fact not. They're race car versions.

What's the problem? He has a point. It's worth noting if only for the sake of accuracy.



If you read his, you'd realise he was. Initially.

Yay! Somebody understands what I was saying! 👍

 

[86Debris86]

Yay! Somebody understands what I was saying! 👍

I do indeed. Although the "stupid" bit wasn't needed as you have been made aware.

I hate it when someone disregards someone else's opinion or intellect solely based on their age. It's pathetic. Just because someone is younger than you doesn't always mean they have any less insight into something. Likewise just because some is older than you doesn't mean they always know better. (I'm getting a sense of deja vu here..)

 

[DaBomm4]

The thing is, YOUR maturity is showing, and if anyone is doing mini-modding, they are trying to help you from getting banned.

Also, race car versions of a car, even how loosely similar they are, are still based on the original car.

When I said this, I was referring to his attitude about everything because Jbaffoh was only asking for hsv010 to show proof with numbers. I agree that as long as you try to act mature and nice, age doesn't matter if you know what you are talking about with proof to show it.

Yes, I did not put my full opinion on the second statement though, the OP should have counted the race version duplicates separately from the road car. The body shape of the race cars still resembles the base car and the general concept of the base car though, unlike the current era of Nascar cars which are nearly identical except for minor things like the grille.

On topic, of all the GT-R's in the Nissan dealership in game, 20 of them are real race cars, 5 are PD made cars that are fake and there is the GT-R Nismo GT3 Base Model which I am unsure what to classify. Then the road cars have 10 R32's, 8 R33's, 11 are R34's, 4 that are R35's, and 2 R35 concepts.

 

[Bo]

I'd count the base models as real, I see it a bit like when a team gets delivery from JRM or Nismo. Ready for a livery and a number 👍

 

[DaBomm4]

I'd count the base models as real, I see it a bit like when a team gets delivery from JRM or Nismo. Ready for a livery and a number 👍

Well, what is the difference between the base model and non base model? I haven't looked at them closely.

 

[Bo]

Well, what is the difference between the base model and non base model? I haven't looked at them closely.

They're identical, it's just the base cars can be painted. A bit like this:

 

[DaBomm4]

I think breaking the list down like that makes it more understandable. I'll do more when I can.

 

[Samus]

The original list, in it's simple form, has flaws, yes. It doesn't change the overall point, which is very much spot on.

Oh and yes, the base models are dupes. They could offer them as a different paint job for the car if they wanted, but no they had to generate new models didn't they. Because that's what PD does. Any excuse to boost the number.

 

[DaBomm4]

The original list, in it's simple form, has flaws, yes. It doesn't change the overall point, which is very much spot on.

Oh and yes, the base models are dupes. They could offer them as a different paint job for the car if they wanted, but no they had to generate new models didn't they. Because that's what PD does. Any excuse to boost the number.

I never said that the base model wasn't a dupe, I was asking if it should be considered fake or not. I agree to all three statements though, the list could be considered over simplified, the original point, and that they found another cheap way to boost numbers.

 

[Samus]

I never said that the base model wasn't a dupe, I was asking if it should be considered fake or not. I agree to all three statements though, the list could be considered over simplified, the original point, and that they found another cheap way to boost numbers.

I was just speaking in a general manner about the base models, not really directed at what anyone had said above.

 

[DaBomm4]

I was just speaking in a general manner about the base models, not really directed at what anyone had said above.

I understand, and if it weren't for having identical non-base models in the game also, there could be a discussion about having them in the game because they handle different from it's brethren. Similar, having each generation of the Lancer Evo, though similar to each other, do have a difference between them too.

 

[Samus]

The problem is whether PD bother to model the differences properly or not. Most of the time it seems they don't bother anymore, or sometimes they model differences that weren't really there. I remember even in GT5 the standard and premium versions of the same cars performed differently for some reason.

 

[GranTurismo916]

The road car Skyline (R30-R35) list should really be simplified. Here's my solution:

R30:
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000 RS-X Turbo C (R30) '84
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83 - Saved from removal by @Downhill Dino

R31:
Nissan SKYLINE GTS-R (R31) '87

R32:
NISMO Skyline GT-R S-tune (R32) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R32) '89
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R32) '91
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R N1 (R32) '91
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R32) '93
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec II (R32) '94
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec N1 (R32) '93
Nissan SKYLINE GTS25 Type S (R32) '91
Nissan SKYLINE GTS-t Type M (R32) '89
Nissan SKYLINE GTS-t Type M (R32) '91

R33:
NISMO 400R '96
NISMO GT-R LM Road Going Version '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '96
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '97
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R N1 (R33) '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R33) '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R33) '96
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R33) '97
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec LM Limited (R33) '96

R34:
Amuse Carbon R (R34) '04
BLITZ DUNLOP ER34 SKYLINE (D1GP) '07
BLITZ ER34 D1 SPEC (D1GP) '04
Mine's BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R N1 base '06
Mine's BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R V?spec N1 base '00
NISMO Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R34) '99
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R34) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R M·spec (R34) '01
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R M·spec Nür (R34) '02
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R Special Color Midnight Purple II (R34) '99
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R Special Color Midnight Purple III (R34) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R34) '99
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec II (R34) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec II N1 (R34) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec II Nür (R34) '02
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec N1 (R34) '99

R35:
Nissan GT-R '07
Nissan GT-R Black Edition '12
Nissan GT-R Black Mask '07
Nissan GT-R Concept (Tokyo Motor Show 2001) '01
Nissan GT-R Proto '05
Nissan GT-R SpecV '09

 

[Downhill Dino]

Good list. Revised very well.

R30:
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000 RS-X Turbo C (R30) '84
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83

Except this. If you're basing the list to remove duplicates and keeping at least those with performance differences, then why cut out one of these? With these two there actually is a visual difference, but that's not that point I'm making.

 

[GranTurismo916]

Good list. Revised very well.



Except this. If you're basing the list to remove duplicates and keeping at least those with performance differences, then why cut out one of these? With these two there actually is a visual difference, but that's not that point I'm making.

Valid point. I'll change that.

 

[TexRex]

Good list. Revised very well.



Except this. If you're basing the list to remove duplicates and keeping at least those with performance differences, then why cut out one of these? With these two there actually is a visual difference, but that's not that point I'm making.

And most definitely a difference in performance with the Turbo C being intercooled for more power, yet less wheelspin making it quicker around a track.

 

[Johnnypenso]

R35:
Nissan GT-R '07
Nissan GT-R Black Edition '12
Nissan GT-R Black Mask '07
Nissan GT-R Concept (Tokyo Motor Show 2001) '01
Nissan GT-R Proto '05
Nissan GT-R SpecV '09

Those are premiums aren't they? They aren't going anywhere.

 

[Bo]

The problem is whether PD bother to model the differences properly or not. Most of the time it seems they don't bother anymore, or sometimes they model differences that weren't really there. I remember even in GT5 the standard and premium versions of the same cars performed differently for some reason.

I would rather not be so harsh on PD, because I like how it is at the minute. The race cars with liveries often do have peformance variations between them, so I think just having a base model would take away all the detail and simplicity of GT's layout.

A lot of people don't realise how each car differs slightly, and how each car is important in its own right. It's something that separates GT from the other games, and it's something I want it to keep forever.

 

[GranTurismo916]

Those are premiums aren't they? They aren't going anywhere.

That's probably the case with all of them, but this is just a suggestion.

 

[DaBomm4]

Lancer's in the Mitshubishi dealership, there are 5 rally cars and 1 touring car for racing versions, 2 non-Evo road cars and 18 Evo road cars.

There is 1 race car, 1 concept and 3 road cars of the NSX in the Acura dealership. There are 13 road cars, 4 concept/prototypes and 12 race cars of the NSX in the Honda dealership.

RX-7's in the Mazda dealership, 5 road car second gen FC's, 22 road car third gen FD's and 3 race cars.

Impreza's in the subaru dealership: 5 race car's, 6 rally cars, 18 road cars and the S206 NBR Challenge Package.

S2000's in the Honda dealership, 17 road cars and 1 race car. S2000 everywhere else, 1 road car and 8 race cars.

Corvette's in the Chevrolet dealership, 4 race cars, 3 concept/prototypes and 11 road cars.

 

[Imari]

The road car Skyline (R30-R35) list should really be simplified. Here's my solution:

R30:
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000 RS-X Turbo C (R30) '84
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83 - Saved from removal by @Downhill Dino

R31:
Nissan SKYLINE GTS-R (R31) '87

R32:
NISMO Skyline GT-R S-tune (R32) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R32) '89
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R32) '91
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R N1 (R32) '91
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R32) '93
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec II (R32) '94
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec N1 (R32) '93
Nissan SKYLINE GTS25 Type S (R32) '91
Nissan SKYLINE GTS-t Type M (R32) '89
Nissan SKYLINE GTS-t Type M (R32) '91

R33:
NISMO 400R '96
NISMO GT-R LM Road Going Version '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '96
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '97
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R N1 (R33) '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R33) '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R33) '96
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R33) '97
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec LM Limited (R33) '96

R34:
Amuse Carbon R (R34) '04
BLITZ DUNLOP ER34 SKYLINE (D1GP) '07
BLITZ ER34 D1 SPEC (D1GP) '04
Mine's BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R N1 base '06
Mine's BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R V?spec N1 base '00
NISMO Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R34) '99
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R34) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R M·spec (R34) '01
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R M·spec Nür (R34) '02
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R Special Color Midnight Purple II (R34) '99
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R Special Color Midnight Purple III (R34) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R34) '99
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec II (R34) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec II N1 (R34) '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec II Nür (R34) '02
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec N1 (R34) '99

R35:
Nissan GT-R '07
Nissan GT-R Black Edition '12
Nissan GT-R Black Mask '07
Nissan GT-R Concept (Tokyo Motor Show 2001) '01
Nissan GT-R Proto '05
Nissan GT-R SpecV '09

This is brilliant. Has this been done anywhere for other manufacturers/models? It would seem like a really nice thing to be able to present a fully consolidated list of cars to PD and say "this is what your car list should be".

 

[GranTurismo916]

This is brilliant. Has this been done anywhere for other manufacturers/models? It would seem like a really nice thing to be able to present a fully consolidated list of cars to PD and say "this is what your car list should be".

I'll do it for the rest of the models.

 

[GranTurismo916]

More solutions (road cars only) [IN PROGRESS]:

NSX:

Acura NSX '91
Acura NSX '04
Acura NSX CONCEPT '13
Acura NSX Coupe '97
Honda NSX '90
Honda NSX '93
Honda NSX '95
Honda NSX '97
Honda NSX '99
Honda NSX '01
Honda NSX CONCEPT '13
Honda NSX Type R '92
Honda NSX Type R '02
Honda NSX Type S '97
Honda NSX Type S '99
Honda NSX Type S '01
Honda NSX Type S Zero '97
Honda NSX Type S Zero '99
Honda NSX-R Concept '01
Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car

Corvette:
Art Morrison Corvette'60
Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) '14
Chevrolet Corvette Convertible (C1) '54
Chevrolet Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) '96
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible (C3) '69
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) '69
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '00
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '04
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) '06
Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) '90
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09

Integra:
Acura RSX Type-S '04
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '95
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '98
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '99
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) '03
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) '04
Spoon INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '99

S2000:
Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo
Amuse S2000 R1 '04
Amuse S2000 Street Version '04
Honda S2000 '99
Honda S2000 '01
Honda S2000 '03
Honda S2000 '06
Honda S2000 (EU) '99
Honda S2000 (EU) '01
Honda S2000 (EU) '03
Honda S2000 (US) '99
Honda S2000 (US) '01
Honda S2000 (US) '04
Honda S2000 Type V '00
Honda S2000 Type V '01
Honda S2000 Type V '03
Honda S2000 Type V (EU) '00
Honda S2000 Type V (EU) '01
Honda S2000 Type V (US) '00
Honda S2000 Type V (US) '01