BMW Shoots for the Sky with the New F10

[Prince.M5]

A report saying that the M5 top speed will be increased to 305km/h from the only 250km/h but unfortunately, it's only available for the German market. The Manual transmission is only available in the US just like the E60 M5. Overall, some should be happy at least there's a manual tranny...

[Source - BMWBLOG.com]

EDIT: The 7-Speed DCT is confirmed to be the standard gearbox...

 

[Jim Prower]

Meh, can't see BMW releasing an M model with a slushbox.

The last M5 was flappy-paddle only...where you live. it was available with a manual transmission...of all places...Here in the U.S. exclusively.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

Hope the manual isn't too bad for the car. Read about the 550i a while back and it said something about how the manual transmission felt behind the times. Then again, I doubt the take rate for manual-equipped cars will be huge.

 

[vfrmaverick]

Hope the manual isn't too bad for the car. Read about the 550i a while back and it said something about how the manual transmission felt behind the times. Then again, I doubt the take rate for manual-equipped cars will be huge.

Not sure about the 550 but on the E92 M3 the difference between 6spd and teh DCT is very big. It feels as if it gained 50 more HP due to having more, shorter gears keeping it in the power range longer.

 

[Crash]

I wonder which manual they are going to put into the F10 M5. If I remember correctly, they more or less put the E39 M5 manual into the E60, and people complained it didn't fit the car and didn't work well in that application. Would this manual be the M3 unit, or another new one?

Oh, and apparently the new concept release date is of all days, April 1st. I can't tell if that's true of if it's an April Fools joke.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

I don't think that E9x M3's transmission could handle the power of the M5..

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

New pics available: *click*

 

[Crash]

Yup, saw those pictures over on the M5Board. They are saying that it was leaked by a Russian outfit, and has been confirmed to be authentic by at least one other person in attendance of the event.

I'm excited about the pictures. I really like how it looks; for the most part, I think it has a nice balance between subtlety and aggressiveness. Something between the E39 and E60 if you will. However, not a big fan of the back, the rear bumper area is a little too busy. Also, still not sure that I'm digging the side grills on the front fenders.

 

[Prince.M5]

Everything on the car looks great! I was really excited when I saw the images - like Crash said it has a balance of subtlety and aggresiveness. However, I don't really like the side grills. Looks like something isn't quite rightly done.

 

[Ru-fus]

New pics available: *click*

more/similar pics > http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4799/BMW-Concept-M5.html

 

[Prince.M5]

I think I'll change my mind about the side grills, it actually looks fantastic in detail compared to E60's and the presence of side indicator included in it like the M3 is going togive it more looks...

Also the side profile of the F10 looks much stronger than the E60 with the long and deep line going along the side of the car. Overall, it's still the best to me than any other likes of E63, RS6...

Just the facts:

• Subdued styling perhaps more than the E60
  
• First of the new generation M cars to adopt a turbocharged engine
  
• Better dynamics with likely a smaller engine footprint compared to the V10
  
• Double clutch transmission with drivelogic system similar to M3
  
• Torque vectoring differential – is this diff similar to a two wheeled version of what’s on the X6 M?
  
• Start/stop tech to improve the M5s fuel economy
  
• Less of an integrated exhaust and rear diffuser
  
• Front apron, designed exclusively for the BMW Concept M5,features three large air intakes, the dimensions which are precisely oriented towards the high cooling requirement of the engine and its ancillary components.
  
• Black grille sporting a honeycomb design
  
• 20-inch forged rims are fitted with tyre size 265/35 ZR20 at the front and 265/35 ZR20 at the back
  
• Discreet rear spoiler located on the boot lid serves to optimise the car’s aerodynamics
  
• Active M Differential

 

[Stotty]

The last M5 was flappy-paddle only...where you live. it was available with a manual transmission...of all places...Here in the U.S. exclusively.

Yes, but a automated manual (both single, as in the last gen M5 or dual clutch as we'll see in the new gen M5) is not a 'slushbox'... a slushbox is a traditional automatic gearbox with a torque convertor.

BMW will not fit a traditional automatic gearbox to a M3 or an M5.

 

[Prince.M5]

A picture of an engine has been put up in the internet.

• 570-horsepower
  
• 530 lb-ft of torque
  
• 0-62 mph in 4.4 seconds though lower time is expected
  
• 7-speed M double-clutch transmission with Drivelogic (Confirmed)
  
• Manual option will be offered for US customers
  
• New base price around $100,000 mark
  
• Debut in the third week in June and will be present at the 3-day M Festival at Nurburgring

[Picture - M5BOARD.com via BMWBLOG.com]

 

[MatskiMonk]

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=544860

Vital Stats
BMW V8 Twin Scroll Twin Turbo
Displacement: 4,395cc
Weight, unladen (DIN/EU) - 1870kg / 1945kg (4,122lb / 4,286lb)
560hp (at 6,000rpm) (E60 M5 reached max 507PS at 7750rpm)
501ft-lb torque (max torque at just 1500rpm) (vs E60 M5 which had max torque of 507Nm)
7-speed DCT transmission (manual transmission also likely, based on recent photos)
Average fuel consumption: 9.9 litres/100 kilometres (28.5 mpg imp)
0-100km (0-62mph) in 4.4 seconds (E60 M5 took 4.7 seconds)
0-200km (0-124mph)in 13 seconds
Top speed: 250kmh (155mph)
M-Drivers-Package will increase top speed from 250km/h to 305km/h (155mph to 189mph)
Average fuel consumption: 9.9 litres/100 kilometres (28.5 mpg imp),
CO2 emissions: 232 g/km, exhaust standard: EU5.
Active M Differential
Tires are 265/35 ZR 20" front 295/30 ZR 20" rear

 

[CodeRedR51]

Power figures are a bit off. Pretty sure that should be 560ps, 552hp.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Power figures are a bit off. Pretty sure that should be 560ps, 552hp.

From BMW:

• World premiere of a newly developed BMW M high-performance engine: high-revving 4.4-litre V8 engine with M TwinPower Turbo package – consisting of Twin Scroll Twin Turbo technology, cross-bank exhaust manifold, High Precision Injection petrol direct injection and VALVETRONIC fully variable valve control; 412 kW/560 hp at 6,000 – 7,000 rpm, maximum torque: 680 Newton metres (502 lb-ft) from 1,500 rpm; lag-free power delivery, typical M car thrust.

 

[YSSMAN]

The new torque is much-appreciated, and the return of the V8 grumble will be absolutely fantastic. I'm looking forward to the first of the tests of the new F10 M5. Although, I'll be the first to say it... I still think the E39 will be better.

 

[Dan_]

Looks good too:

Can't wait for the first reviews, the extra torque will surely be a welcome tool to move all those 1,870 kilos.

 

[Prince.M5]

The dyno graph of the F10 versus the E60...

Not just the exterior got an improvement, the interior also received a massive improvement as an M car. The torque available as low as 1500rpm is mighty impressive! But a shame at least the V8 TT will never rev like a N/A V10 like its predecessor...

[Graph courtesy of Steve Davies via BMWBLOG.com]

 

[Dan_]

Is that really credible? I mean, the torque curve is so flat that a snooker ball would stand still on it.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's just a prediction based on the official spec sheet.

 

[Prince.M5]

Is that really credible? I mean, the torque curve is so flat that a snooker ball would stand still on it.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's just a prediction based on the official spec sheet.

Definitely a prediction because as you know, no one has ever took the car out for a dyno unless someone can break into BMW's data

But still, from the power figures that BMW released for the 1M was actually a little bit less than what it really is capable of, the F10 could be even better!

 

[Keef]

The new torque is much-appreciated, and the return of the V8 grumble will be absolutely fantastic. I'm looking forward to the first of the tests of the new F10 M5. Although, I'll be the first to say it... I still think the E39 will be better.

E39 is probably the best iteration of the M5 thus far. Perfect mix of tradition, simplicity, luxury, and muscle. And the prices are getting pretty reasonable...

 

[McLaren]

E39 is probably the best iteration of the M5 thus far. Perfect mix of tradition, simplicity, luxury, and muscle. And the prices are getting pretty reasonable...

Any E39 could be argued as the best iteration of the 5 Series alone. But let's be honest, BMW did play it pretty conservative with that generation; nothing against it.


As for the F10, love it. Bet it makes a mean noise.

 

[niky]

Is that really credible? I mean, the torque curve is so flat that a snooker ball would stand still on it.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's just a prediction based on the official spec sheet.

It's easy to get a torque curve like that. Design a turbo that can provide 1,000,000,000 horsepower and then cap off the torque electronically (as Nissan did with the GT-R).

 

[Prince.M5]

Some comparison pictures with the W212 E63 AMG...

In my opinion, the M5 gets it all especially in the interior.

[Pictures are courtesy of BMWBLOG.com]

One more picture, very late though..

 

[Omnis]

That's funny. In my opinion, the Benz gets it all, especially in the interior.

 

[Horde_R35]

That's funny. In my opinion, the Benz gets it all, especially in the interior.

Theres nothing like a Mercedes! The finishes, the leader, the class, the refinement! Ive been in M6, M5 and drove many times a 335d and they look pretty much the same!

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

From BMW's official PDF..

Body
No. of doors/seats
4 / 5
Length/width/height (unladen)
mm
4910 / 1891 / 1456
Wheelbase
mm
2964
Track, front/rear
mm
1627 / 1582
Ground clearance
mm
117
Turning circle
m
12,6
Tank capacity
approx. l
80
Cooling system incl heating
l
18.5
Engine oil1)
l
8.4
Weight, unladen, to DIN/EU
kg
1870 / 1945
Max load to DIN
kg
540
Max permissible weight
kg
2410
Max axle load, front/rear
kg
1180 / 1260
Max trailer load, braked (12%)/unbraked
kg
2000 / 750
Max roof load/towbar download
kg
100 / 90
Luggage comp capacity
l
520
Air drag
cX x A
0.33 x 2.40
Engine
Configuration/No of cyls/valves
V90 / 8 / 4
Engine technology
M TwinPower Turbo technology with cross-bank exhaust manifold, twin-scroll turbocharging, direct petrol injection (High Precision Injection), VALVETRONIC and Double-Vanos
Effective capacity
cm³
4395
Bore/stroke
mm
88.3 / 89.0
Compression ratio
:1
10.0
Fuel grade
RON 98 (min. 95)
Output
kW/hp
412 / 560
at
min–1
6000 – 7000
Torque
Nm
680
at
min–1
1500 – 5750
Electrical system
Battery/Installation
Ah/–
105 / luggage comp
Alternator
A/W
210 / 2926
Driving dynamics and safety
Suspension, front
Double track control arm with M-specific elastokinematics, small, negative steering roll radius, anti-dive
Suspension, rear
Integral-V multi-arm axle with M-specific elastokinematics, spatial suspension with anti-squat and anti-dive
Brakes, front
Six-piston fixed-calliper compound disc brakes
Diameter
mm
400 x 36 / vented
Brakes, rear
Six-piston fixed-calliper compound disc brakes
Diameter
mm
396 x 24 / vented
Driving stability systems
Standard: DSC incl. ABS, ASC and MDM (M Dynamic Mode), CBC (Cornering Brake Control), DBC (Dynamic Brake Control), Dry Braking function, Fading Compensation, Start-Off Assistant, Dynamic Damper Control, Active M Differential, linked to Integrated Chassis Management (ICM)
Safety equipment
Standard: airbags for driver and front passenger, side airbags for driver and front passenger, head airbags for front and rear seats, three-point inertia-reel seatbelts on all seats with belt latch tensioner and belt force limiter at the
front, crash-activated head restraints at the front, crash sensors, Tyre Defect Indicator
Steering
Hydraulic rack-and-pinion steering with M-specific Servotronic function
Steering ratio, overall
:1
18.0
Tyres, front/rear
265/40 R19 102Y 295/35 R19 104Y
Rims, front/rear
9J x 19 LM 10J x 19 LM
BMW ConnectedDrive
Comfort
Optional: BMW Assist incl. Enquiry Service, remote-control functions and V-Info+ (Traffic Info plus), Real-Time Traffic Information, BMW TeleServices, integration of mobile devices
Infotainment
Optional: internet access, BMW Online incl. Park Info, National Info, Google Local Search, News, Realtime Weather, BMW Routes, Office functions, Bluetooth Audio Streaming, Online Update Music Tracks, Apps
Safety
Optional: variable light distribution and adaptive headlight range control (standard), High Beam Assistant, Park Distance Control, rear-view camera, Surround View incl. Top View and Side View, BMW Night Vision with pedestrian recognition, Head-Up Display (standard), Lane Change Warning, Lane Departure Warning, Speed Limit Info, Advanced eCall
Transmission
Type of gearbox
Seven-speed M double-clutch transmission with Drivelogic
Gear ratios I
:1
4.806
II
:1
2.593
III
:1
1.701
IV
:1
1.277
V
:1
1.000
VI
:1
0.844
VII
:1
0.671
R
:1
4.172
Final drive
:1
3.150
Performance
Power-to-weight ratio (DIN-Leergew.)
kg/kW
4.5
Output per litre
kW/l
93.7
Acceleration 0–100 km/h
s
4.4
0–1000 m
s
21.9
in 4th/5th gear 80–120 km/h km/h km/h km/h km/h
s
3.7 / 4.6
Top speed
km/h
250 / 3052)
BMW EfficientDynamics
BMW EfficientDynamics standard features
Brake Energy Regeneration with recuperation display, Auto Start-Stop function, intelligent lightweight construction, on-demand operation of ancillary units, flow rate-controlled power steering pump, tyres with reduced rolling resistance
Fuel consumption EU
with standard tyres
Urban
l/100km
14.0
Extra-urban
l/100km
7.6
Combined
l/100km
9.9
CO2
g/km
232
Emission rating
EU5
Specifications apply to ACEA markets; data relevant to homologation applicable in part only to Germany (weight)
1) Oil change
2) In conjunction with optional M Driver’s Package

1870kg minimum weight? No wonder it's so slow off the line..

 

[CodeRedR51]

That's funny. In my opinion, the Benz gets it all, especially in the interior.

I like the simplicity of the M5's exterior, but the Mercedes has the best interior hands down. I've never liked BMW's interiors.

 

[Prince.M5]

1870kg minimum weight? No wonder it's so slow off the line..

Apparently the E63 AMG and the E60 M5 has about the same weight as the F10 M5.

EDIT:

So I went to the fastestlap website to look for the new 1M time around the Nordschleife but surprisingly, look now whose in 3rd place!

It says the car was driven by Autobild, but no one has yet to clarify whether it's legit or not.