Bmw Z29 *Update*

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Also, the Aztek literally has 4 eyes.

A split lip.

And a hunch back, making it A MUTANT!! :crazy:
 
If Car and Driver's sources are correct, the Z2 may prove be one hell of a car, regardless of its looks.
the October issue of Car and Driver
According to sources inside BMW, the German automaker plans to launch a roadster priced well below the current Z4, which starts at $36,295. Although the price has not been set, the new two-seat droptop, dubbed the Z2, is expected to occupy the sub-$30,000 roadster segment that is currently dominated by the Pontiac Solstice and Mazda MX-5. The successor to today's Z4 will remain near $40,000 and will continue to compete against the Audi TT, Porsche Boxster, Nissan 350Z, and Chevrolet Corvette.

The upcoming bargain-basement two-seater will reportedly be based on the chassis and components of the current Z4, but it will measure a mere 151 inches in length, making it about 10 inches shorter than today's Z4. Styling for the Z2 is in the process of being finalized, but we expect the diminuitive roadster to have short overhangs and 19-inch wheels.

Unlike today's Z4, which is powered exclusively by six-cylinder engines, the Z2 will only get four-cylinder power. However, those engines will range in strength from 150 horsepower in base versions all the way to a turbocharged 300hp, 2.0L four-cylinder in the M-tuned version. An expected curb weight of 2800 pounds should allow the Z2 to make the most of that power. Transmission choices will include a traditional manual and -- surprise, surprise -- a double-clutch gearbox similar to Volkswagen/Audi's DSG. BMW plans on replacing its rough-shifting sequential manual gearboxes with smoother DSG-like transmissions before the end of the decade.

To keep costs down, a nearly identical chassis to today's Z4 will underpin the Z2 -- struts up front with a multilink setup in back -- but there will be the option of adjustable shocks. The electric power-steering rack from the Z4 will also live on in the Z2, with optional variable-ratio active steering.

Set to go on sale in 2010, the made-in-America BMW Z2 should add some German flavor to a segment dominated by the Americans and Japanese.
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300hp and 2800lbs?! That's good enough for a 0-60 time of less than 5 seconds!

Although that M-tuned version (if released with such an engine) wouldn't exactly be cheap, it would most likely cost less than the next(/current?) Z4M, and the current one is only about $50,000...if BMW were to produce a car like that, it would be quite a performance bargain. :crazy:
 
Wolfe2x7
300hp and 2800lbs?! That's good enough for a 0-60 time of less than 5 seconds!

Although that M-tuned version (if released with such an engine) wouldn't exactly be cheap, it would most likely cost less than the next(/current?) Z4M, and the current one is only about $50,000...if BMW were to produce a car like that, it would be quite a performance bargain. :crazy:
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That kind of follows their usual patterns of M cars: The M5 has more power than the M3, but the M3 is always the better sports car than the M5. It seems to follow that an M2/M1.5 would have less power than the M3, but be and even more hardcore sports coupe/car. Light weight is always a winner in my book.
 
MatttheTuner
I always thought of the M5 to be a German Muscle-Car.
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Eh...to be fair, only the E39 can fit that kind of profile. Mainly because it has a V8. The current M5's F1-bred V10 doesn't match the personality of a muscle-car very well. Same goes with the E34/E28 M5s' smooth inline-6 engines.

Mercedes-Benz, on the other hand, makes cars that are quite similar to muscle-cars, in my opinion. Big, torquey, not-very-efficient V8s and such shoved into any hood big enough to take 'em, especially when you include all of the AMG models. Handling? Who needs that when you have power! :lol:
 
Wolfe2x7
Mercedes-Benz, on the other hand, makes cars that are quite similar to muscle-cars, in my opinion. Big, torquey, not-very-efficient V8s and such shoved into any hood big enough to take 'em, especially when you include all of the AMG models. Handling? Who needs that when you have power! :lol:
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Of course, when you say "not-very-efficient V8s," you still have a car with 355 BHP out of a 5.5L engine with a SOHC design and three valves, so not really that bad.
But still:
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Interesting...
 
EEEEEK A Caprice!

Get it away from my EYES :crazy:

But Sieriously, Why do the Germans put so much into thier sedans.

Also, The M6 or any 6 sieries for that matter. , Has to be the closest thing to a Muscle car that they have! Its big, with a big engine, and could whip a corvette Z06 into shape

M6 FTW! :dopey:
 
MatttheTuner
Also, The M6 or any 6 sieries for that matter. , Has to be the closest thing to a Muscle car that they have! Its big, with a big engine, and could whip a corvette Z06 into shape
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I doubt it.

Nurburgring Nordschleife laptimes (from live4speed's excellent Nordschleife road car lap times thread)
7'42.9 - Corvette Z06 - 2005
7'52 - BMW M5 E60 – date of test unkown (car was delimited).
8'09 - BMW M6 - 2005 (car was limited to 155mph)
8'13 - BMW M5 E60 - 2004 (car was limited to 155mph)

Even if someone ran a lap in the M6 without the limiter, it would most likely struggle to break below 7'50". The M6 and Z06 are fairly similar performers, but the Z06 is faster.

Nonetheless, I agree that it's a cool car -- the E63 M6 is very cool. Not as cool as the E24 M6, mind you, but still cool. ;)
 
Duh, the original is always better, exept for the Corvette, in which the newest is the best.

Still M6 FTW!! :dopey:
 
Wolfe2x7
I doubt it.

Nurburgring Nordschleife laptimes (from live4speed's excellent Nordschleife road car lap times thread)
7'42.9 - Corvette Z06 - 2005
7'52 - BMW M5 E60 – date of test unkown (car was delimited).
8'09 - BMW M6 - 2005 (car was limited to 155mph)
8'13 - BMW M5 E60 - 2004 (car was limited to 155mph)

Even if someone ran a lap in the M6 without the limiter, it would most likely struggle to break below 7'50". The M6 and Z06 are fairly similar performers, but the Z06 is faster.

Nonetheless, I agree that it's a cool car -- the E63 M6 is very cool. Not as cool as the E24 M6, mind you, but still cool. ;)
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are all of these times from sport auto?

7'42 is mightily impressive but i suppose that a delimited M6 should make up a lot of time over the limited one since on the long döttinger höhe straight you end up on the limiter very soon...

i'm a bit suspicious of the e60 M5s 7'52 time though. i heard of that claim but never found a source or anything. and if the M5 managed 52 the M6 would easily go under 50 and near the z06...
 
The Z06 time was also done on an empty track. The CSL did it in 7'50 and I would expect a M6 to be able to beat that time due to its sheer power. I have a video of two M6's doing 200mph on the autobahn and they did it so effortlessly.

On a side note I have some updates for LFS thread regarding a certain 911 being quicker than the Z06 ;)
 
those times are usually done on an empty track, especially since they are from a whole lap while during tourist driving the long straight is blocked and people time their laps from bridge to gantry.

that an M6 might only slightly beat the CSL on the nordschleife makes the CSL's time look even more impressive actually.
 
What do you mean by most times are done on an empty track? As far as I gathered most factory times never mind non factory times are done whilst its open to the public, although they could rent out the track if they wished. I know for a fact though that the 911 and RS4 times werent done on a empty track though ;)
 
during regular tourist driving, the entrance and exit is located near the end of the döttinger höhe straight. the straight itself is therefore blocked in order not to allow people to drive lap after lap without paying.
thus you can't do a full lap of the track and as a result can't really measure the lapt time.
the tourist drivers however, tend to time their laps from the bridge at antoniusbuche to the gantry after schwalbenschwanz.
sport auto, however, rents the track and does a full lap in order to find a car's laptime.

how do you know for a fact then, that the 911's laptime was not done on an emtpy track? who did the lap?
 
What ever happened to the Happy Cat Car we were talking about?

Either get back on track or close the thread due to hijacking.
 
vladimir
during regular tourist driving, the entrance and exit is located near the end of the döttinger höhe straight. the straight itself is therefore blocked in order not to allow people to drive lap after lap without paying.
thus you can't do a full lap of the track and as a result can't really measure the lapt time.
the tourist drivers however, tend to time their laps from the bridge at antoniusbuche to the gantry after schwalbenschwanz.
sport auto, however, rents the track and does a full lap in order to find a car's laptime.

how do you know for a fact then, that the 911's laptime was not done on an emtpy track? who did the lap?
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this is news to me because of the videos ive seen of the 911's doing those laps and articles Ive read. I know that the RS4's quickest time was done by walther rohl on a tourist day when he came down in the car.
 
Poverty
this is news to me because of the videos ive seen of the 911's doing those laps and articles Ive read. I know that the RS4's quickest time was done by walther rohl on a tourist day when he came down in the car.
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what videos? what articles?

have you seen any video of a 911 doing a timed lap for sport auto?

and röhrl surely might do some really quick driving, but he of all people shouldn't be so stupid and encourage measuring laptimes during tourist driving which is generally not encouraged because of the dangers involved. under pressure from the running clock people tend to take too much risks...
 
im not talking about the sportauto laptimes. Im talking about the unofficial list where people have got times taken from videos
 
Yeah I will get you a link. They do start timing from the gantry but what has got me confused his how people have added the lap times to the 'ring list, when they dont manage to do a full lap, unless car clubs rented the track out for its members or something.
 
there is plenty of confusion apparently! the BTG times should not be added to the manufacturers/sport auto list because they are missing at least 30 seconds.
people should do a second list then, because if they add their tourist driving times to the other one the resulting list becomes useless...
have those BTG times also been added to LFS' list here on gtplanet?
 

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