Braking in GT5 is overrated.

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Morgoth_666
Braking/turning marks?
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I sit about 10 feet from my TV, and even though it's 46", it's pretty hard to see on-track brake markers most of the time. Hell, i can barely see the flashing indicator in the corner as i'm paying attention to my line and the road.

It would be nice if you could turn it off (you cant?), for those that don't want it. I'm not ashamed to say i like it and find use in it on a lot of occasions.
 
I have to agree that the instrument light indicator its very unartificial at the same time unrealistic

But 99% of people uses this wether its for hood view or for the brake warning but usually its both , some people just have a lot of excuses in life.


I dont think this affects those 99% of people though because if there was a simple online restriction then it would sort out the artificial simulation experience

so there's a choice for the people who uses intruments and for those who don't want to have it , so people who doesn't know what braking is should then turn the restriction off so they can do it easily but when it comes to the more serious people who want to sort of make championships for example then its good to put the restriction.

I'd like to see ABS restriction also because most motorsport racing divisions dont use this anymore , it will be very harsh for roadcars but its fine for light and high downforced race cars :P

Best bet is to have a restriction on the light indicator.

the 99% don't have to worry , they can sort it out with the restriction switch :)
 
that indicator starts flashing too soon. Used it on the nurb, later on i 've turned of the HUD. And my times improved significantly..
 
The flashing light is not the exact braking point.
It is more like a guideline.
Or do you think PD has driven every car on every track to make sure it flashes at exactly the right time for each car?
As a guideline it comes in very usefull.
 
I find that driving competively without the blinking indicator (that you will notice unconsciously, even if you don't want to) in GT5, for example by disabling the hud or driving an electric car, is much more difficult than with it. It does not show the exact braking point, but it makes you know that a short while later you have to brake hard. This delay is most of the time very consistent.

I think it promotes mindless driving like the racing line driving assist, and should be made as such so that it can be disabled (restricted) on online races and/or otherwise when desired.
 
Where exactly did the OP find these ratings for GT5 braking? I've personally never rated the braking in the game.

I do agree the gear shift indicator is annoying, like the driving line, you should be able to turn it off.

But, if you've ever tried playing this game in the Open Lobbies, then you find that some players need more aids, not fewer. I wish the game would incorporate an auto-brake feature for those who try to take corners at twice the appropriate speed and attempt to use my car as a backstop.
 
I don't use it, then again, I have all race information and hud options off, and I drive in the cockpit, because in real racing, you can't sit on the roof or bonnet to drive, and in real life, there is no track map, lap timer, positon, lap information or anything, so I turn it all off, and I've enjoyed the game even more
 
You know we can all see depth at a real life and consistent scale (in detail level and measurable size) on our ~40" 2D TVs, with basically no proper sense of speed at all and extremely limited field of view... right?

Go and drive in real life:
- with one eye closed (so you can't see depth)
-the other eye slightly blurred somehow (to reduce the ability to see depth via detail scale)
- noise isolation plugs slightly in (because a game doesn't yet have enough audio cues to sense speed, ie an object wushing past)
- and the human equivalent to horse blinkers on
... no, don't 👎

It's there for a reason, to help you where your senses and possibly limited experience can't.

In the case of track/car experience, imagine a trainer/more experienced fellow sitting next to you telling you to brake now, ease off or floor it.

It's a guide as others have said, and very very slow when your trying to minimize your times, yet it gives you a proper idea of the distance/time to the corner (which you can't tell like in real life)
My only problem I think, is that it blinks at corners ahead you cannot see yet

I don't see a problem with having a disable/ enforced disable in online option but I don't see what it really benefits, except maybe absolutely excluding beginners and people with small tv. Though whatever, more options the better.
 
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It usually comes on when you are on a straight bit of road. What else do you have to look at? :confused:
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My point is if you are paying attention to it, as in using it as a reference, you are going to slow. The OP was basically saying it is too much of a help when, in fact, it is a hindrance.

By that I mean why worry about it being disabled when online as anyone that is using it will be slower.
 
iamjajo
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But, if you've ever tried playing this game in the Open Lobbies, then you find that some players need more aids, not fewer. I wish the game would incorporate an auto-brake feature for those who try to take corners at twice the appropriate speed and attempt to use my car as a backstop.
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... and for some even an auto-pilot might be the right assistant :D
 
JamboGT
My point is if you are paying attention to it, as in using it as a reference, you are going to slow. The OP was basically saying it is too much of a help when, in fact, it is a hindrance.

By that I mean why worry about it being disabled when online as anyone that is using it will be slower.
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I don't think you have to be braking the instant it comes on to be using it. It's very consistent and reliable and as a result you rarely have to find and use external reference points for braking markers, which is quite a big part of real circuit driving.

It certainly helps when you take a car you're not used to to a track for the first time, and is probably more useful than the co-pilot actually is in rally events.

I don't mind it being there, but i'd turn it off if I could.
 
RB6
I have to agree that the instrument light indicator its very unartificial at the same time unrealistic

But 99% of people uses this wether its for hood view or for the brake warning but usually its both , some people just have a lot of excuses in life.


I dont think this affects those 99% of people though because if there was a simple online restriction then it would sort out the artificial simulation experience

so there's a choice for the people who uses intruments and for those who don't want to have it , so people who doesn't know what braking is should then turn the restriction off so they can do it easily but when it comes to the more serious people who want to sort of make championships for example then its good to put the restriction.

I'd like to see ABS restriction also because most motorsport racing divisions dont use this anymore , it will be very harsh for roadcars but its fine for light and high downforced race cars :P

Best bet is to have a restriction on the light indicator.

the 99% don't have to worry , they can sort it out with the restriction switch :)
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You can say whatever you want but after the light warns you there's a small gap usually around half a second gap before the braking , sometimes corners that only lifts off but again before you even race you already know everything very easily the indicator warns you so its 100% unartificial and unrealistic. And either way if it wasn't half a second then its still warning you everytime your going to find the braking point that makes everything easy and unartificial.

You are right most people who are neglecting this thread are the ones who are using it :D

But it doesn't really matter like what's been said , there will be a restriction : (on / off) switch so the people dont have to worry. yeah?
 
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RB6
I have to agree that the instrument light indicator its very unartificial at the same time unrealistic

But 99% of people uses this wether its for hood view or for the brake warning but usually its both , some people just have a lot of excuses in life.

I dont think this affects those 99% of people though because if there was a simple online restriction then it would sort out the artificial simulation experience

so there's a choice for the people who uses intruments and for those who don't want to have it , so people who doesn't know what braking is should then turn the restriction off so they can do it easily but when it comes to the more serious people who want to sort of make championships for example then its good to put the restriction.

I'd like to see ABS restriction also because most motorsport racing divisions dont use this anymore , it will be very harsh for roadcars but its fine for light and high downforced race cars :P

Best bet is to have a restriction on the light indicator.

the 99% don't have to worry , they can sort it out with the restriction switch :)
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Not sure what you are saying....but there is a lot of sensory info missing...break engagement....weight shift....break fade at the foot....grip loss felt by inertial shift...ppl need to stop talking about unrealistic features as if they are ruining a realistic experience. Also, cockpit view is not realistic at all. In reality you have much better vision than the game offers. A panoramic screen may solve that though...can't wait.
 
Rudenut
Not sure what you are saying....but there is a lot of sensory info missing...break engagement....weight shift....break fade at the foot....grip loss felt by inertial shift...ppl need to stop talking about unrealistic features as if they are ruining a realistic experience. Also, cockpit view is not realistic at all. In reality you have much better vision than the game offers. A panoramic screen may solve that though...can't wait.
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not for the single seater f1's :P
 
shem
When it starts to flash it's an indicator of when to brake. For anyone who has the slightest experience with GT will know that it's usually wrong. It'll tell you to brake too early and to use a lower gear than what is necessary.
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true i never knew thats what it was for and got through the corners perfectly
 
I use it as a crutch and I hate it. So hard to ignore it. I always let it blink a couple of times; together with some knowledge of the road it helps me navigate corners quickly.
I notice I am faster out than most people except the elite.
 
Skython11
I don't use it, then again, I have all race information and hud options off, and I drive in the cockpit, because in real racing, you can't sit on the roof or bonnet to drive, and in real life, there is no track map, lap timer, positon, lap information or anything, so I turn it all off, and I've enjoyed the game even more
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In real life, you probably get twice the amount info that GT5 displays on screen. Though it depends on the race. Take your station wagon to an autocross, you won't get anything. Race LeMans and your car probably has a timer on the wheel, and not to mention loads of other info. All of that will be in addition to the info your pit crew is feeding you.
 
So much hate here for us bumper viewers? Go ahead... Use the cockpit view, which is the same view, except with a cockpit pasted unhelpfully across the screen.

The braking light only really helps in your first five laps with an unfamiliar car on an unfamiliar track. After which it is way too slow... That half second difference can become an entire second's worth if you've got your brake bias and ABS set properly... And it's an eternity with racing tires and ABS off.
 
So much hate here for us bumper viewers? Go ahead... Use the cockpit view, which is the same view, except with a cockpit pasted unhelpfully across the screen.

The braking light only really helps in your first five laps with an unfamiliar car on an unfamiliar track. After which it is way too slow... That half second difference can become an entire second's worth if you've got your brake bias and ABS set properly... And it's an eternity with racing tires and ABS off.
 
I think it's alright to have it for the less experienced racers. Although, even I find myself using it a little on courses I'm not used to. But once I've done the track a couple of times, I don't even bother. No need for that anymore since I've played so much :drool:
 
niky
So much hate here for us bumper viewers? Go ahead... Use the cockpit view, which is the same view, except with a cockpit pasted unhelpfully across the screen.

The braking light only really helps in your first five laps with an unfamiliar car on an unfamiliar track. After which it is way too slow... That half second difference can become an entire second's worth if you've got your brake bias and ABS set properly... And it's an eternity with racing tires and ABS off.
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you don't really have to hate me for this im just being more artificial about the simulation experience because its a simple option of restricting it online then it wouldn't really affect you , it will just make it more artificial and more especially realistic

even so the indicator also adjusts through perfomance differentiation

wether if its a second gap or half a second gap , it still warns you which makes it more of a memorizing and rinse and repeat rather than being more artifiicial.

I am not saying to completely remove the instruments , what I'm saying is to remove the light that warns you.

And by the way why would it tell you to downshift if you were still going flatout , but again wether theres any kinds of gap

its the same kind of gap you will become used to

It doesn't matter wether its a lift off warning or wether the gaps are different because it warns prior to braking and that makes it unartificial and unrealistic.

I don't have any problems with hood viewers

the point is to have the light warning indicator off or just to have a restriction on it.

Obviously you can't remove rev bar due to the people who are using hood view but for just an online restriction its good to even do so.

even for ABS restriction for racing cars like F1 or LMP1/2 or DTM atleast its piece o cake to handle.
 
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Using that as a brake marker will make you ridiculously slow, and when you get to the tougher licenses/races/seasonals you learn to use reference points on the tracks. Pretty much every corner on every track has braking markers anyway?

It only takes 2-3 laps with a new car on a new track to establish the rough braking times, from there on out is the endless pursuit of perfection...

I think they should just get rid of it. Even for new drivers, it would be better they went into the sand pits every corner than use the driving line and the gear indicator as crutches. You will be faster when you don't use them, so most people would benefit from never using them at all.
 
Realism. :)
So if we shouldn't use any game created brake markers ever, this must also mean we very rarely crash in any form, right? It's not very realistic to race around a track and crash 100 times learning it to hot lap and then use that knowledge to churn out uber-fast laps cleanly, is it?
I don't use the in-car view ever. And there's only one reason - it shakes.
I've driven and ridden in overly stiff cars over potholes racetracks cannot imagine, and I've never been unable to focus on the road, whereas in GT5, in an attempt to add realism, they make the cockpit shake, and the track becomes blurry.
That's the difference, I have a human neck and head, which have independent muscular control, so even if the car is vibrating/shaking/bouncing I can straighten most if not all of it out.
I don't have to push a button on the steering wheel to look right or left. ;) I can also use a rear-view properly, because my eyes aren't limited to 27, 40, or even 55 inches of view.
 
Who the heck uses that stupid light anyway? It's always wrong about braking point....Mine flashes well into when I brake, and I'm nearly always right.

If you have time to glance down your HUD and check the blinking light, you're not doing the whole racing thing correctly. Your entire attention should be focused on the road ahead of you. I don't even check my speedo or tach when racing. I can easily tell my speed by just observing the rate at which the scenery is flashing past me.
 

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