Briatore gets banned, Renault given suspended sentence and the fallout begins!

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  1. Soundtrack

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    That would indeed makes sense. But on the same time it would imply he made a false statement at the WMSC.:confused: (why would the FIA request his presence at the earing and ask him to confirm he knew nothing about it?)
     
  2. SUPER NUMBBER

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    Gee, a suspended sentence. So the punishment is actually a threat of punishment...That'll teach 'em...

    You couldn't put together enough clowns and comedians to make this joke...oh wait, they're already sitting in the WMSC. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Ardius

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    I rather hope he doesn't get another drive in F1 again. I agree with Brundle's thoughts that Piquet should be held just as accountable.
    He shouldn't be given another chance.
     
  4. Hun200kmh

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    Because, besides him being WITNESS X, he had to be cleared. If you check any other F1 forum (but not this one) the most heated discussions revolve around "what did Alonso know". They are quite comical because fanboyism is relenteless.

    Anyway, what gives it away (for me) is this part:



    That's it (about Alonso). Now, tell me what did WITNESS X say about all this? We don't know.

    And, if you look carefully to #64, you'll notice that something's missing here:

    If WITNESS X testified, and if WITNESS X was also saying that Alonso wasn't involved, why didn't they write it like this?

    Well, the only possible explanation (as I view this) is that it wouldn't make sense if indeed Witness X was the person they are talking about = Alonso.

    I'm no Hercule Poirot, but this is what I conclude: X is Alonso.
     
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    No doubt, nobody would want to work with him after this. If he kept it to himself and all this didn't happen he might have gotten another chance with another team if he could out qualify the other drivers in testing. Would anyone even invite him now for a test drive?
     
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  6. Ardius

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    I don't think he should have kept quiet, he just plain shouldn't have done it.
     
  7. Eric.

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    So, I just catch bits and pieces of F1 news (love how Jordan has changed the forum description to the F1 circus though). I really think F1 could form their own society. You've got the FIA as the police, all of the head guys as the politicians, and those guys and some members of the teams start in soap operas by night...So there's your law and entertainment/economy...Certainly no other racing series like it. :lol:
     
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    I'm no Piquet fan, but I'm somewhat sympathetic to his position.

    Had Piquet refused the order, given the intimidating atmosphere at Renault, he almost certainly felt he was vulnerable to being ousted. Had he been fired, would anyone at the FIA or WMSC believed him had he revealed the race fixing scheme then? Would he have had a chance of landing another drive in F1? He was caught between the proverbial rock and hard place.

    Of course, he may have gone along with it, knowing that his participation gave him some leverage in negotiations with the team going forward. Not enough to salvage a flagging F1 career, but enough to buy him some more seat time to establish himself in the sport.

    Ultimately, the real rats in this situation were Briatore and Symonds, and so it's fitting that they received the brunt of the punishment in this scandal.
     
  9. Ardius

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    Yes, the FIA would have believed him, they already believed Piquet Sr at the time.
    Its been clear that someone had it in for Briatore and was waiting for an opportunity like this. Perhaps if Nelson hadn't done it, we wouldn't have had so much evidence, but it seems the thing that made it proven was this mister X.
     
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    My guess: someone Briatore would have overlooked. If it were Alonso, he'd have no reason to keep things a secret, and if he knew of it, he probably would have given up his win voluntarily.

    So my thoughts are that it could be someone like a mechanic or a PR representative, someone Briatore would cosider minor and not at all essential to the organisation. Their desire for anonymity is what I'm basing my hypothesis on: they are someone who values their job, but who Briatore would move to silence if he found out Witness X knew about it. As Renault co-operated with the FIA, Witness X had no need to remain anyonymous. But as long as Briatore was in charge, his identity had to remain secret. I'm guessing he found out about the conspiracy by overhearing it or if Piquet let something slip to him. The only way he would have had any credibility as a witness was if he had found out directly from one of the parties involved.
     
  11. Hun200kmh

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    witness X had a meeting with Symonds and Briatore immediately after qualifying, the meeting where the "plan" was conceived.
     
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    A-ha! I've just worked it out:

    [​IMG]

    Nicole Shirtsinger.









    Oooh, wait. I misread that one. I thought it said "Witless Ex", not "Witness X".

    False alarm.
     
  13. SUPER NUMBBER

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    C'mon interludes, this is a serious discussion.

    I think it's pretty logical who Witness X is:

























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  14. yeti

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    Could witness X be the same engineer that queried the crash and telemetry at the time - whom Piquet told that it was just an accident?

    I don't think Piquet should've been punished further - his reputation is in tatters already - so I doubt we'll see him back in F1 for a while unless he can proove himself - the best he will get is a test driver position I would've thought... that is of course if he can escape the clutches of Briatore Management!!!!

    C.
     
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    The good news in all of this: Renault aren't going anywhere.
     
  16. Ardius

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    ..which possibly could mean we get to see the Williams Renault partnership return? :sly:
     
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    Possibly, indeed.
     
  18. SUPER NUMBBER

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    Lesson: If you're gonna cheat, cheat during a global recession.
     
  19. Ardius

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    ..and make sure you're a manufacturer of engines. and you employ someone Max Mosley hates. and make sure other manufacturers have already left, making you more valuable.
    etc
     
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    :lol:
     
  21. ROAD_DOGG33J

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    It was apparent from the beginning, that they would hand out a punishment that would make Renault stay. So large fines and exclusion from this season/future seasons were ruled out almost from the get go.
     
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    Bell to be Renault boss for rest of '09

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78807
     
  23. Ardius

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    I guess Renault want success then :lol:

    Is this witness X I wonder?
     
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    You know, the funny thing about this is that Briatore can only know who witness X is if indeed that meeting existed.

    So, if he says he knows who he is X he must also confess that such a meeting took place.
     
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    I actually wished Prost would get the job. I'd love to see him back and disagree with the people who think he wasn't competent when he had his own team (the first two years his car was much better than Stewart).
     
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    Hmm, well lets see here, the first year (1997) he basically just had a Ligier chassis and Mugen Honda engine which was one of the better engines that year.
    The following year he had his own chassis thanks to the large rules change and they finished behind Stewart in the constructors.....
    Not to mention those gutless Peugeot engines, there's a reason why McLaren and Jordan ditched them the years before and took on Mercedes and Mugen Honda power respectively.

    He was a rubbish driver manager too, he ended up turning friendships into very bad relationships! (Jean Alesi)

    Hmm, and which team out of Stewart and Prost went on to to win races? Stewart was a brand new team, Prost was not, it was just continuation of Ligier. So its not surprising Prost started better.
     
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    Well, it isn't as if Ligier was the best team on the grid (yeah they did win the Monaco race in 96, but only 4 cars finished the race). The Peugeot engine had some bad years, but in 97 it was very good (the year Jordan got its first victory).

    I believe Stewart finished in front in 99, not 98. In 98 I believe Barrichello scored 4 points only, and I can't remember if the second driver scored any. In 99 Stewart had a very good but unreliable Ford engine, which helped the team go to the top.

    But I have to admit I'm not 100% percent aware of Prost's management and definitely don't feel like starting an argument. I just wished I could see someone in the background who I actually like.
     
  30. Ardius

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    Well you can read a lot of it on F1Rejects, they cover the 2000 and 2001 seasons in detail and there are a few submitted articles which cover it a bit.

    In 98 Stewart did finish in front, you're thinking of 97, which was their first season.
    Having an established team of personnel and a decent engine helps a lot, Ligier weren't backenders either and that Mugen Honda was a great engine. Stewart had progressed from F3000 and were using the underpowered Fords.
    My point was more that it wasn't really impressive for Prost to beat Stewart in 1997 because 1. they just continued a fairly decent chassis 2. you're comparing a new team to an established team.

    It says a lot when Stewart's first season was full of retirements, which is perfectly normal for a new team who are still working out the issues with the car and getting to grips with F1.
    The fact that Prost and Stewart swapped positions the following year says enough really about where they were heading.

    If I remember right, Prost was the infamous team to run super low fuel in practice and testing in order to capture the headlines and then come the first race they were miles off the pace. Arrows did this as well but at least they had decent aero and from time to time did show some decent pace.