Briatore gets banned, Renault given suspended sentence and the fallout begins!

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  1. Hun200kmh

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    This is a void discussion, because the 2008 results are "set in stone", according to Mosley.

    Anyway, Famine, the way tibiquera put it (lost points, not race dismissed) it could also go this way:

    ... Hamilton gains 2pt for a 2nd place finish, Massa is still DNF, Hamilton wins WDC by 3pt
     
  2. Famine

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    Mosley also said he wasn't whipped by prostitutes wearing Nazi uniforms.

    As above. Furthermore, what he says has little bearing on the actual judgement.

    Indeed. As I said right at the start of this thread, anything is possible.
     
  3. Touring Mars

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    Although it is possible, it would be a disaster for the credibility of the sport if Hamilton was stripped of the World Championship in favour of Massa...

    In other news, apparently Nelson Piquet told the FIA about this in November last year, which puts the mockers on any "revenge" theory because Piquet Jr. was sacked...

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    I'm astonished at the news that F1 has any credibility left...
     
  5. prisonermonkeys

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    New evidence in crash investigation:

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  6. mipuumal

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    Good, now we can get rid of Charlie Whiting as well.

    Hopefully Bernie will be next.
     
  7. TheCracker

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    What's wrong with Charlie Whiting? :odd:


    They may have known about it, but like the article states, until they had a statement from Piquet Jr there was nothing they could do.
     
  8. Ardius

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    No it doesn't - as it says in the article, they couldn't act till Jr had given his testimony. When did he decide to to do this? Why, after he was sacked of course! Piquet Jr is no white knight here, he was still hanging on trying to continue his career with Renault despite knowing he and the team had done something wrong.
    All that tells us is the FIA had the word of Piquet Snr earlier on.
     
  9. Hun200kmh

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    I don't have any simpathy for Piquet Sr. (never liked the guy) but this must have been very difficult for him. And I even find it unexpected that, although what was at stake - concerning his own son - he talked to Whitting and Mosley about what had happened.
     
  10. Touring Mars

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    Although Piquet Jr.'s sacking could have played a role in the timing of his statement to the FIA, there is no way that his sacking determined whether or not he would eventually make one... if that were even remotely true, why did Piquet Jr. tell anyone about it at all? And why would his own father make it public without Jr.'s approval, knowing full well that it would lead the FIA to request a statement (eventually)?. It doesn't make sense at all.

    At the moment, it is only an assumption that Piquet Jr. made his statement to the FIA when he did simply because he was sacked. It is very possible that Piquet Snr. was asked to keep a lid on things while the FIA (or whoever) investigated the allegations, and that Piquet Jr. would be asked to make a statement as and when it was appropriate and/or required.
     
  11. prisonermonkeys

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    If Renault are taking action against Piquet for blackmail, it could make sense. Piquet Snr. could have told the FIA, but Piquet Jnr. decided to use it to save his race seat, and by the time he told his father about it, he'd already started blackmailing Renault. It's just one possible explanation.

    This, I very defiantely agree with. Too many people think the FIA are fools and sycophants just because Max Mosley is. But if they were even half awake for most of 2008, they'd have noticed that Piquet's relationship with Renault was on the rocks. If he was dropped and they moved to get a statement too soon, it could have sunk the case because Piquet's testimony could be picked apart as a spiteful knee-jerk reaction. In that case, the FIA would want to gather their own evidence first. I know I would. And the timing of approaching him had to be exact as well: if they went while there was still a chance he might stay at Renault, he may not tell the truth in exchange for keeping his seat. At the same time, the couldn't move too soon after he had been sacked for the same reason I outlined above: because it would been a knee-jerk reaction to getting fired.
     
  12. Bram Turismo

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    :lol::tup:
     
  13. Touring Mars

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    :lol: I missed that!

    Indeed, if Renault decide to pursue that angle - but considering that Renault have since done a massive U-turn and are now putting as much space between themselves and Briatore as possible, I think this is highly unlikely...

    Renault are probably facing a humungous fine and massive loss of income one way or another, and I wouldn't be surprised if they go after Briatore for compensation. On top of this, there is also the question of whether or not this constitutes fraud, which could result in Briatore, Symonds and indeed Piquet Jr. facing criminal proceedings, regardless of who the FIA have granted immunity from their own disciplinary proceedings... Perhaps this is unlikely, but
     
  14. Hun200kmh

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    I think Renault is much more worried of a possible exclusion from Formula 1 than of a fine, whatever the amount. They have a reputation to defend and even if we all know it wasn't exactly the Renault Board that did this, I can only imagine the consequences if the french newspapers (and the world media in general) make their headlines saying: "Renault found guilty of fraudulent behaviour and expelled of Formula 1 for X years"


    ... or something even more impressive/damaging than this, I'm not good at headlines in general, and in a foreign language in particular :dopey:
     
  15. SUPER NUMBBER

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    Basically we're scraping the bottom of the barrel here...

    No comment...:lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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  16. tibiquera

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    About the information that Piquet talked to Charlie Whiting last year: I read that Charlie told Piquet to do a formal statement first. The reason is quite simple: you can't start an investigation out of nowhere. You can't say "that guy told me he did this" and start an investigation based on that. Even if someone last year was suspicious about it, they couldn't do anything until they had some evidence. But now Piquet has given the FIA a statement, so they could proceed to the investigation because they had enough evidence.
     
  17. SUPER NUMBBER

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    There's a $#!+load of lawsuits that can be started out of this disaster, which is what makes it so grave:

    Piquet v. Briatore
    FIA v. Briatore
    Renault v. Briatore
    State of Singapore v. Briatore
    Alonso v. Renault
    Ferrari v. Renault
     
  18. prisonermonkeys

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    If Ferrari have grounds to take Renault to court, then every team has gronds to take them to court.

    I still don't understand how they can reasonably sue Renault - or whatever - over lost championship points. There was no guarantee that Ferrari could have won the race; ater all, it was Ferrari who messed up Massa's stop. They'll have a hard time proving they were bound to win if not for Renault's plot.
     
  19. SUPER NUMBBER

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    Well, they do kinda have a case if they can convince the jury that the crash forced their misfortunes. But yeah, it's a pretty steep hill to climb.
     
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    I doubt it. The mistake in Massa's stop was traced back to Ferrari's system of using lights in the place of a lollipop man. For some reason, the light told Massa to go before the fuel rig was out. It was a technical fault, and completely unrelated to Piquet's accident. There's no way they can prove that it wouldn't have happened if the safety car hadn't come out.
     
  21. mipuumal

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    The guy controlling the lights let go of the button which gave Massa the green light. Kimi was queueing behind Massa (because of the SC) so maybe the guy panicked.

    One could argue that this situation would not have occured during a normal pitstop, but there is no doubt in my mind that the FIA would even think about doing something now that would change the outcome of last year's championship.
     
  22. Peter

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    It's best that no results except that of Renault be changed, because if the safety car didn't come out, a million different things could happen.
     
  23. Tired Tyres

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    They shouldn't change a single thing about last season now. It's done and that's that. Any punishment Renault face should apply to this season.
     
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    Fernando Alonso is attending the hearing in Paris:
    EDIT: Something deeply suspicious spotted in Paris:

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    And:

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    COINCIDENCE!?
     
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  25. prisonermonkeys

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    Pardon the double-post, but early reports are suggestig that Renault have been handed a two-year suspended sentence and possible fine. Basically, if they manage to not fix a race again for two years, no action will be taken.
     
  26. ASH32

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    That is what the BBC are reporting on the news right now, so I think that report is correct. :boggled:
     
  27. Ardius

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    Briatore given an unlimited ban from all FIA events :lol:
    Symonds banned for 5 years from all FIA events

    Hmm, I imagine the debate about whether it was a strong enough punishment or not will go on for a few years...
     
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    :lol:

    Perhaps Herge, if he were still around, would know the answer.

    So... promise not to cheat again and we'll let you off? That's complete and utter BS. At the very least they need to be stripped, retroactively, of 2008 points and fined accordingly.
     
  29. prisonermonkeys

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    And Superlicences will not be issued or renewed for any driver who is associated (ie managed) by Briatore.

    The message is pretty clear: stay away, or you will be burned.
     
  30. Ardius

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    I think the punishment is enough - if Renault have to use Alain Prost as team principal! :lol: