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How will you vote in the 2019 UK General Election?

  • The Brexit Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Change UK/The Independent Group

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 3 7.5%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 11 27.5%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 8 20.0%

  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 3 7.5%

  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other Parties

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 11 27.5%
  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .
At least the BBC have shown balance by not inviting Jean Claude Juncker on to Have I Got News For You, otherwise Farage would be Prime Minister by now.
 
So far in this section* I’ve been told TV and newspapers don’t influence (or heavily influence) people’s voting and that, of course politicians lie, but obviously no one believes them...


I guess everyone naturally came to the rational consensus that the EU was bad /shrug


*sorry confused this thread with the Brexit thread! :lol:
 
baldgye
So far in this section* I’ve been told TV and newspapers don’t influence (or heavily influence) people’s voting and that, of course politicians lie, but obviously no one believes them...


I guess everyone naturally came to the rational consensus that the EU was bad /shrug


*sorry confused this thread with the Brexit thread! :lol:
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There's quite a difference between you overestimating the effect of TV these days and an assertion that it doesn't influence anybody at all/hardly at all....
 
Tired Tyres
There's quite a difference between you overestimating the effect of TV these days and an assertion that it doesn't influence anybody at all/hardly at all....
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So having Farage on the BBC as much as he was, despite him not being an MP and barely being an MEP of much note did legitimatise him and his party?

All I said was they helped validate him and his cause, hardly a very strong position to take?


Edit: he’s had or will have had as many appearances as Ken Clarke on Question Time, the BBC’s foremost political debate show. A man who isn’t an MP.

Tho at least I guess it’s selection of MEP’s has been consistent...
 
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baldgye
So having Farage on the BBC as much as he was, despite him not being an MP and barely being an MEP of much note did legitimatise him and his party?

All I said was they helped validate him and his cause, hardly a very strong position to take?


Edit: he’s had or will have had as many appearances as Ken Clarke on Question Time, the BBC’s foremost political debate show. A man who isn’t an MP.

Tho at least I guess it’s selection of MEP’s has been consistent...
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And was the leader of his party, the only, to this day, member of his party that is recognisable and the comparison with one of a significant number of Conservative politicians?

He got popular first. Then got his time on TV. That's how it works. They didn't make him no matter how you might want it to be so.
 
Sajid Javid blows his key speech on Windrush with a classic howler:
"Nothing we say or do will ever wipe away the hurt, the trauma, the loss that should have never been suffered by the men and women of the Windrush generation, but together we can begin to wrong the rights of Windrush."
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baldgye
What saddens me more, is that the BBC gives these idiots a platform in the first place.
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They've been almost systematically balancing facts with bullstuff for about 4 years now in fear of being accused of partiality.

Edit: Catching up with the last page of the thread just now shows me that you've been over this a bit already. :)
 
Does the data shown seem to be any kind of issue or problem, or is it a good thing?

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Figure 1: Regional Short Circuit Levels in Great Britain, 2020, 2025, and 2030. Source: National Grid ESO, System Operability Framework: Impact of Declining Short Circuit Levels(December 2018), p. 2.

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Figure 2: Regional Phase Locked Loop (PLL) Risk, 2020, 2025, and 2030. Source: National Grid ESO, System Operability Framework: Impact of Declining Short Circuit Levels(December 2018), p. 3.
 
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Dotini
Does the data shown seem to be any kind of issue or problem, or is it a good thing?
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If the National Grid ESO weren't already aware of it then yes, but as it stands they are preparing to be fully running on carbon-free energy by 2025 including "installing “smart digital systems” which are capable of managing and controlling the electricity system in real-time in order to cope with the fluctuating electricity from renewables."
 
MatskiMonk
I'm not really taking sides on this debate, I'm just wondering why you are apparently so against it?
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It's started already... :lol:

A database of internet users' porn usage... I'm sure it won't get into the wrong hands and become blackmail material. Or that anyone who objects will also be suspected of being a filthy porn addict themselves.
 
MatskiMonk
I'm not really taking sides on this debate, I'm just wondering why you are apparently so against it?
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After the Ashley Madison hack, people killed themselves after being 'outed' for cheating. Some of which where innocent people that AM made fake accounts for to bolster its value. Imagine (for example) a gay porn site gets attacked, peoples personal identifying information will be publicly available and shame them.

It links everyone's deepest desires and sexual preferences with personal identifying information and then forces independent sites to store it, in a way that is 'safe'. It's impossible for multi-billion dollar companies to protect users data, how can relativity small porn sites possibly protect that information?
 
MatskiMonk
just wondering why you are apparently so against it?
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I'm against it because I don't like the idea that government can force fences in front of data. If a private company wants to do that (for whatever reason) then that's fine. The government can **** off.

Dennisch
Oi. You got a license for that language?



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****ing right I have :D
 
baldgye
After the Ashley Madison hack, people killed themselves after being 'outed' for cheating. Some of which where innocent people that AM made fake accounts for to bolster its value. Imagine (for example) a gay porn site gets attacked, peoples personal identifying information will be publicly available and shame them.

It links everyone's deepest desires and sexual preferences with personal identifying information and then forces independent sites to store it, in a way that is 'safe'. It's impossible for multi-billion dollar companies to protect users data, how can relativity small porn sites possibly protect that information?
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So your issue is actually with data security, and the fact that porn - or sexual preference - is still fairly taboo... rather than the concept of limiting access - I could see it being either, that's why I asked.

I hadn't actually thought it was that much of a problem in terms of risk, personally... I remember when most legit porn on the web was hidden behind paywalls, with any personal transactional details being handled (I assume) by the payment service provider - whose security was probably better than the sites being accessed - and yeah, I did sign up myself at times :lol:, I also walked into a Newsagents and bought a porno mag when I was 14 or 15.. and don't think I've ever felt like a needed more courage than then. :embarrassed:
 
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MatskiMonk
So you're issue is actually with data security, and the fact that porn - or sexual preference - is still fairly taboo... rather than the concept of limiting access - I could see it being either, that's why I asked.

I hadn't actually thought it was that much of a problem in terms of risk, personally... I remember when most legit porn on the web was hidden behind paywalls, with any personal transactional details being handled (I assume) by the payment service provider - whose security was probably better than the sites being accessed - and yeah, I did sign up myself at times :lol:, I also walked into a Newsagents and bought a porno mag when I was 14 or 15.. and don't think I've ever felt like a needed more courage than then. :embarrassed:
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The moral issue is asinine and basically assumes that parents shouldn't be responsible for what their kids do on their laptop/computer. Thus this is saving children from the horrors of porn. It's a stupid argument based on emotions, so it's pointless.

However this law essentially weaponises your fetish/kink/sexual preference and ties that to you, personally, forever. It makes porn sites massive targets for hackers and identity thieves and criminalises anyone who doesn't want their personal identifying information linked to such content.
 
baldgye
The moral issue is asinine and basically assumes that parents shouldn't be responsible for what their kids do on their laptop/computer. Thus this is saving children from the horrors of porn. It's a stupid argument based on emotions, so it's pointless.

However this law essentially weaponises your fetish/kink/sexual preference and ties that to you, personally, forever. It makes porn sites massive targets for hackers and identity thieves and criminalises anyone who doesn't want their personal identifying information linked to such content.
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Ideally we'd just be more sexually open minded as a society so it was possible for parents to have a worthwhile informed chat about sex and sexuality, and so people would be sufficiently comfortable with what they like that they couldn't be blackmailed over it....

Neither of those things will happen of course, but I read articles like this... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36527681 and see/hear some of the actions/conversations of young teen kids in the park I'm about to walk through to go to the pub.. and I have to admit, I think somebody needs to take responsibility for the situation with kids and sex, sexuality and porn.
 
MatskiMonk
Ideally we'd just be more sexually open minded as a society so it was possible for parents to have a worthwhile informed chat about sex and sexuality, and so people would be sufficiently comfortable with what they like that they couldn't be blackmailed over it....

Neither of those things will happen of course, but I read articles like this... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36527681 and see/hear some of the actions/conversations of young teen kids in the park I'm about to walk through to go to the pub.. and I have to admit, I think somebody needs to take responsibility for the situation with kids and sex, sexuality and porn.
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Somebody, being their parents.

And no, your deeply personal information shouldn’t be out in the public or setup as a nice target for people to go after
 
MatskiMonk
Yeah, I don't disagree with that.

:cheers: Cheers to nothing getting done then.
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I mean, the problem is that something is getting done and it’s going to make millions of people vulnerable to blackmail and having their lives ruined while criminalising millions of others...
 
baldgye
I mean, the problem is that something is getting done and it’s going to make millions of people vulnerable to blackmail and having their lives ruined while criminalising millions of others...
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This is not an insurmountable technical challenge, in much the same was as we have third party payment providers, we could have third party age verification providers. Personal information doesn't need to go anywhere near a porn site, anyone who fears it might can freely elect not to use a site.
 

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