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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
haitch40
It is a full of crap but I strangely find myself dancing to it. :lol:
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Mike Read has withdrawn the song. He should still be sacked from the BBC though, not the kind of thing their presenters should be mixed up with.
 
TenEightyOne
Mike Read has withdrawn the song.
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Booo.

If he truly believed in his convictions and in/with UKIP, he'd at least have the gall to stick by it. Maybe he did see the irony in the end, but only because the winds of unpopularity have blown over him he's changed his mind. Rubbish.
 
All the calamity and farce that follows UKIP like a bad smell, I cannot be the only person screaming "Is anybody else seeing this?!"

I can't help but wonder how they get any votes at all.
 
Liquid
I can't help but wonder how they get any votes at all.
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The basic message that they try and publicise is one that strikes a chord with lots of people. I'm surprised they don't get more votes to be honest, given the amount of casual 'pub' racism I hear in my town (a town that is 90% English, and 97% inhabited by people whose first language is English). That's not to say that I support them, but a couple of people I've spoken to have said they wouldn't vote UKIP with the reason that they are a racist party, that's fair enough, but if you ask them why UKIP are racist, they don't know - they formed their opinion based on other peoples opinions. I'm sure this is nothing unique, but it makes me think there could be a snowball effect, i.e. the more people that openly support UKIP, the more people will feel it's okay to support them.
 
MatskiMonk
The basic message that they try and publicise is one that strikes a chord with lots of people. I'm surprised they don't get more votes to be honest, given the amount of casual 'pub' racism I hear in my town (a town that is 90% English, and 97% inhabited by people whose first language is English). That's not to say that I support them, but a couple of people I've spoken to have said they wouldn't vote UKIP with the reason that they are a racist party, that's fair enough, but if you ask them why UKIP are racist, they don't know - they formed their opinion based on other peoples opinions. I'm sure this is nothing unique, but it makes me think there could be a snowball effect, i.e. the more people that openly support UKIP, the more people will feel it's okay to support them.
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We seem to elect more and more of them each time, we've been sending a clear message to the "main" parties for 10-or-so years. Maybe they'll take note now that UKIP have taken a home seat to add to the Euro seats.

Amongst my rabid left-wing friends they're stuck between a rock-and-a-hard-place, the Tories have no effective power, their Liberal coalites have none either, UKIP are seen as generally undesirable (which will change, as you say) and Labour are hamstrung by having the wrong Miliband in charge of an imbalanced post Blair/Brown party.

UKIP are the only ones actually doing anything remotely engaging at a "popular" level, however low a level that may be.
 
Read points out that;

Mike Read
People are very, very, very quick to take offence now at something that years ago would have been deemed to be a bit of satire and a bit of fun.
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If that was the case he should have blacked up, put a fake bone through his nose and done the thing in a grass skirt somewhere near Tower Hamlets, then we'd have had our money's-worth :D
 
I wonder had he done an Italian accent if that would have been acceptable. Still, at least his caribbean accent is better than mine and my dad's Jamaican.
 
KSaiyu
I wonder had he done an Italian accent if that would have been acceptable. Still, at least his caribbean accent is better than mine and my dad's Jamaican.
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Probably not acceptable, this is still a UKIP gig which would have made it worse. I get your point though but I'd say that it's not really relevant; anti-Italianism isn't anywhere near as big a social problem as racism towards ethnic minorities.
 
So now if you possess images of anime/manga children you can go to jail as a pedophile.

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/10/23/u-k-man-sentenced-for-prohibited-images-of-manga-children/?=

Which considering we have an anime thread and this quote in particular "depict young girls, some in school uniforms" likely means by this definition GTP is storing child porn.

This has gone too far in my opinion. It isn't long before just looking at a child on the bus for a second as you turn your head to look out the window or wanting to be a teacher makes you a pedophile.


That said I don't consider Rocketnews to be the most reliable of the Japanese media.
 
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haitch40
Which considering we have an anime thread and this quote in particular "depict young girls, some in school uniforms" likely means by this definition GTP is storing child porn.
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You have to look carefully at the wording of that article though. (Assuming the comma placement was right) it does indeed say that some of the pictures were kids in school uniform, and that may well be true. But it does not say that is what got him convicted.

Surely the more obvious thing to take from that article is the bit of the quote you left out:

some exposing themselves or engaging in sexual activity.
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And I presume none of that exists on GTP.............
 
TRGTspecialist
You have to look carefully at the wording of that article though. (Assuming the comma placement was right) it does indeed say that some of the pictures were kids in school uniform, and that may well be true. But it does not say that is what got him convicted.

Surely the more obvious thing to take from that article is the bit of the quote you left out:



And I presume none of that exists on GTP.............
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It implies it though.
Yes I missed out a bit but the comma plus the "and" made me think that this is joint evidence to convict. Yes the rest of it was a major part but this was also cited as evidence is my understanding.

Still I expect a huge protest as they are not real people and thus a victimless "crime".
 
I have a Dragonball manga in which young 'children' appear naked. With incredibly undetailed and inoffensive genitalia. They can fly, fire energy beams from their hands and they have tails, but children none-the-less. It happens on... two occasions, I think. In total it might be 4-6 frames worth. Context is that this is a 'child' that grew up in the forests with zero social skills and maximum curiousity. (NSFW link, if curious)

Does this fall foul of any laws? Either the ownership or drawing. It was first released in the mid 1980s. The frames/drawings are a complete non-issue for me when I read the mangas, I pay about as much attention to them as a background film poster in the same manga, but I can see how some people might get in a tizz about such a thing.
 
I don't think it's too hard to draw the line between a bit of nudity, and explicitly depicting sexual acts. It's an interesting debate on whether it's a victimless crime though, or at least how is that punishable... but then the system already has to handle cases like this. If I intend to blow-up a school, and am caught in the planning stage, I will most likely get sent down.. even though there were no victims of my actions.

Makes me wonder though, I'd recently decided that I might upload some stuff to DeviantArt... but on perusing the website, I realised that having not drawn massive norks on my picture, no-one would probably be interested.
 
Liquid
I have a Dragonball manga in which young 'children' appear naked. With incredibly undetailed and inoffensive genitalia. They can fly, fire energy beams from their hands and they have tails, but children none-the-less. It happens on... two occasions, I think. In total it might be 4-6 frames worth. Context is that this is a 'child' that grew up in the forests with zero social skills and maximum curiousity. (NSFW link, if curious)

Does this fall foul of any laws? Either the ownership or drawing. It was first released in the mid 1980s. The frames/drawings are a complete non-issue for me when I read the mangas, I pay about as much attention to them as a background film poster in the same manga, but I can see how some people might get in a tizz about such a thing.
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You pedophile. :p

I consider that fine but based on that ruling the courts don't. Remember a lot of law is about previous cases and their outcomes so this one ruling might start a chain of prosecutions.

MatskiMonk
I don't think it's too hard to draw the line between a bit of nudity, and explicitly depicting sexual acts. It's an interesting debate on whether it's a victimless crime though, or at least how is that punishable... but then the system already has to handle cases like this. If I intend to blow-up a school, and am caught in the planning stage, I will most likely get sent down.. even though there were no victims of my actions.
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Slight difference though. In your example you were planning to cause harm even though you hadn't yet.
 
Our economy is supposedly better than the EU expected so we have to pay them more money for our membership.
 
Probably because we've re-evaluated how we measure GDP so more stuff is included this year than last year.
 
Liquid
Probably because we've re-evaluated how we measure GDP so more stuff is included this year than last year.
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You politely omit to mention that we've incorporated drug sales and prostitution. True story.

We're not the only country with a revised bill, we could now be in league with Greece.
 
Regardless of whether it should be legal or not, why are we incorporating illegal activity into GDP calculation? Is that not shooting ourselves in the foot because we'll have to contribute more to the EU without the extra taxpounds with which to back it up?
 
Liquid
Regardless of whether it should be legal or not, why are we incorporating illegal activity into GDP calculation? Is that not shooting ourselves in the foot because we'll have to contribute more to the EU without the extra taxpounds with which to back it up?
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I really don't know... it doesn't make any sense.
 
Window dressing GDP accounts?

"Hey look guys, our GDP is £400 million more than last year! We're on the up!"
"Great, cough up those extra taxes for our continental slushfund."
"Uh.. whut?"

I don't even.
 

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