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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • Total voters
    29
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prisonermonkeys
You still need to have British Muslims win the Battle of Trafalgar and invent the Yorkshire pudding.
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Admiral Harun Nelson?

And how about Yorkistan Pudding?... On second thought, backtrack on that! Nobody touches Yorkshire Puds!
 
Also, you have to sink one of our national treasures in the name of sticking it to a bunch of colonials who wanted to be better at democracy than you and a bunch of Frenchmen who were better at it than you, and you have to achieve absolutely nothing by doing it.
 
ECGadget
Yahya Lennon, Boulus McCartney, Rayhan Starr, Jurj Harrison.
Best Songs: Riyaal Lane, Date Fields Forever, Here Comes The Ramadhan, Hey Jude, While My Duff Gently Weeps.


THEY'RE EVERYWHERE
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I know it's just a bit of fun, but I also see an unfortunate nod to continuing to bind ethnicity and religion together. As far as I can see, you've got a mix of Islam-specific, Islam/ethnic-relatable, and ethnic-specific references there. If/when we get to the point where only the Islam-specific references made any sense to people, the religion's image will/would be all the better for it. It would be great to get to the stage where an English whitey wouldn't be assumed to be a non-Muslim, and an English person of Arabic descent wouldn't be assumed to be a Muslim.

Putting away the serious talk about what's technically ideal though, I'd go a bit more controversial, and run with:

You've Got To Hide Your Face Away
(Yet) Another Girl

Extremist Islam really has the material though:

Happiness Is A Warm Bomb
I Want To Hold Your Head
Infidel Bury Fields Forever
 
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LeMansAid
I know it's just a bit of fun, but I also see an unfortunate nod to continuing to bind ethnicity and religion together. As far as I can see, you've got a mix of Islam-specific, Islam/ethnic-relatable, and ethnic-specific references there. If/when we get to the point where only the Islam-specific references made any sense to people, the religion's image will/would be all the better for it. It would be great to get to the stage where an English whitey wouldn't be assumed to be a non-Muslim, and an English person of Arabic descent wouldn't be assumed to be a Muslim.

Putting away the serious talk about what's technically ideal though, I'd go a bit more controversial, and run with:

You've Got To Hide Your Face Away
(Yet) Another Girl

Extremist Islam really has the material though:

Happiness Is A Warm Bomb
I Want To Hold Your Head
Infidel Bury Fields Forever
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Yes and no. I did it all on purpose. Notice all that I changed the first names only, meaning that the heritage of these people would be wherever their respective family names came from. I would say that the Duff and Riyaal are ethic specific, but I couldn't exactly use the Penny or a Guitar because it would make even less sense. Dates, Ramadhan, purely Islam based ^^
 
LeMansAid
It would be great to get to the stage where an English whitey wouldn't be assumed to be a non-Muslim, and an English person of Arabic descent wouldn't be assumed to be a Muslim.
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Only 3% of Muslims in the UK are British whiteys though, so it's a pretty reasonable assumption - or at least as reasonable as making any assumptions about anyone's religion is.
 
MatskiMonk
Only 3% of Muslims in the UK are British whiteys though, so it's a pretty reasonable assumption - or at least as reasonable as making any assumptions about anyone's religion is.
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11% of UK muslims self-identify as white (mostly from Bosnia and thereabouts) the figure you're referring to is those who identified as White British in a census declaration. Generally the remainder identify as White Other or White European.
 
TenEightyOne
11% of UK muslims self-identify as white (mostly from Bosnia and thereabouts) the figure you're referring to is those who identified as White British in a census declaration. Generally the remainder identify as White Other or White European.
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Indeed, but

LeMansAid
an English whitey
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as in, not a Bosnian whitey... :)

In any case, I still think the assumption that a white person in the UK is not Muslim is a pretty reasonable one ... 250:1 chance of being wrong!
 
MatskiMonk
Indeed, but



as in, not a Bosnian whitey... :)

In any case, I still think the assumption that a white person in the UK is not Muslim is a pretty reasonable one ... 250:1 chance of being wrong!
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I was counting all English citizens as English.

Religion-wise, the non-assumption of a whitey (or any other race or ethnicity not traditionally known to be Muslims for that matter) is the less pertinent accompaniment to the non-assumption of a person of Arabic descent.
ECGadget
Yes and no. I did it all on purpose. Notice all that I changed the first names only, meaning that the heritage of these people would be wherever their respective family names came from. I would say that the Duff and Riyaal are ethic specific, but I couldn't exactly use the Penny or a Guitar because it would make even less sense. Dates, Ramadhan, purely Islam based ^^
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So, most of it is based on ethnicity when the topic revolved around Muslim people - that's the issue. Factor in the false and forced cross pollination found in reactions to the terrorism drill noted a few posts ago and I'm shown that there's three tiers of separation that we need, but aren't making enough a reality of - Arabic / Muslim / Extremist Muslim. We can deliberate on wether or not extremist Muslims should be called Muslims at all, but at the very least the others should be seen as clearly separate aspects to each other.

You stereotyped Muslims. Sure, it's probably just a neutral stereotyping, but shouldn't it be more about whether or not we are stereotyping at all, rather than if we are conveying something positive, neutral, or negative? I see the hypocrisy a lot - for example in the Homosexuality Discussion Thread, people will bang on about all sorts of glam, glitter, "faaaabulous!!" things, etc, etc. if they see that they have the right by way of being gay or accepting of gayness. Those same people though, will jump down the throat of anyone who makes any kind of remotely negative generalisation about gay people. We end up with people passing judgements based on negatives, but trying to palm it off as a judgement based on stereotyping. I think that's what @Johnnypenso was getting at in post #4310, to some degree at least.

"Muslims are doing well in England" and "Muslims are causing problems in England" are at the same level of stereotyping. I just ask that people who are willing to say the former (or an equivalent to), not deride someone else for saying the latter (or the equivalent to).
 
prisonermonkeys
Not to be out-done, Lizzie 2 has a go.
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Then a joke about the incident from the Prime Minister today at the start of Prime Minister's Questions.
Hansard
  • Mike Kane
    Even “fantastically corrupt” Nigeria is asking Britain to clean up its act and introduce beneficial ownership registers in the overseas territories. Will the Prime Minister achieve that tomorrow at the anti-corruption summit?



  • The Prime Minister
    First, I had better check that the microphone is on before speaking. It is probably a good idea...
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UKIP have won 7 seats in the Welsh Assembly. I'm very disappointed that people have fallen for this. Neil Hamilton* and Mark Reckless, failed politicians from the English machines, have now been parachuted into Wales in a grubby attempt at clinging to power. Ugh, they're going to be there for at least 5 years now. I'm honestly really cross at this. This is a party who once said:

The Welsh – if by that we mean those British subjects who now live in the geographical unit we call Wales – are not a people.
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And now expect us to welcome them and see them as representing our best interests. Not a chance.

No party has a majority and the battle for First Minister is ongoing between incumbent Carwyn Jones (Labour) and Leanne Wood (Plaid).

*Neil Hamilton is Welsh, although you'd never have known that until his campaign started a few months ago, but it doesn't change the fact that he is a failed Westminsterman now looking at whatever he can clutch.
 
prisonermonkeys
Not to be out-done, Lizzie 2 has a go.
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I don't think any senior political figure here can go a day without offending a foreign nation! As for Queeny I suppose after all these years some of the Duke of Edinburgh would inevitably rub off! :lol:

Meanwhile, Boris holds up the Pasty of Destiny.... all hail the Pasty of Destiny :bowdown:

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The moment the First Minister vote was announced at 29-29:

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Talks are ongoing. Labour politicians are accusing Plaid of cutting a deal with the Tories and UKIP because the 29 opposed to Carwyn Jones are the Plaid, Tory and UKIP AMs; the reality is that this is simply the opposition parties not voting for the Labour candidate. Labour have controlled the Senedd since its formation in 1999 and many people have spoken out saying that this is AMs indicating that Labour does not have a divine right to rule Wales.

But. But... this is a 60 seat chamber meaning a 31 seat majority is required. The results went as follows:

Labour - 29 (Pop. vote: 31.5%)
Plaid - 12 (Pop. vote: 20.8%)
Tory - 11 (Pop. vote: 18.8%)
UKIP - 7 (Pop. vote: 13.0%)
Lib Dem - 1 (Pop. vote: 6.5%)

Other parties: 9.4% of the pop. vote.

Plaid nominated Leanne Wood for FM whilst none of the other parties did but looking at those figures, Plaid almost certainly will have to cut a deal with someone. It would be incredulous to see a Plaid-Tory-UKIP coalition and they couldn't run a minority government on 12 seats.

Deadlock. Much like in the Irish elections and other elections across Europe over the last decade. Maybe politics are starting to change? Ever so slowly, winning an election is not a foregone conclusion for the 'big' party. Except in Westminster, that is...
 
Liquid
Plaid almost certainly will have to cut a deal with someone. It would be incredulous to see a Plaid-Tory-UKIP coalition and they couldn't run a minority government on 12 seats.
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Up North the SNP have decided not to form a coalition and to let votes take their course. Probably a clever move in the long term, not sure if that can work for PC.
 
Liquid
UKIP have won 7 seats in the Welsh Assembly. I'm very disappointed that people have fallen for this. Neil Hamilton* and Mark Reckless, failed politicians from the English machines, have now been parachuted into Wales in a grubby attempt at clinging to power. Ugh, they're going to be there for at least 5 years now. I'm honestly really cross at this. This is a party who once said:



And now expect us to welcome them and see them as representing our best interests. Not a chance.

No party has a majority and the battle for First Minister is ongoing between incumbent Carwyn Jones (Labour) and Leanne Wood (Plaid).

*Neil Hamilton is Welsh, although you'd never have known that until his campaign started a few months ago, but it doesn't change the fact that he is a failed Westminsterman now looking at whatever he can clutch.
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From what I can tell, that's not a quote from the party, but from UKIP Daily, who despite having UKIP in their name are independent of the party. Hopefully that makes you feel slightly better :p
 
Spurgy 777
From what I can tell, that's not a quote from the party, but from UKIP Daily, who despite having UKIP in their name are independent of the party. Hopefully that makes you feel slightly better :p
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Partially. But that doesn't change my opinion of the party nor their Assembly election success.
 
Liquid
UKIP have won 7 seats in the Welsh Assembly. I'm very disappointed that people have fallen for this. Neil Hamilton* and Mark Reckless, failed politicians from the English machines, have now been parachuted into Wales in a grubby attempt at clinging to power. Ugh, they're going to be there for at least 5 years now. I'm honestly really cross at this. This is a party who once said:



And now expect us to welcome them and see them as representing our best interests. Not a chance.

No party has a majority and the battle for First Minister is ongoing between incumbent Carwyn Jones (Labour) and Leanne Wood (Plaid).

*Neil Hamilton is Welsh, although you'd never have known that until his campaign started a few months ago, but it doesn't change the fact that he is a failed Westminsterman now looking at whatever he can clutch.
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Whilst I am not a UKIP supporter, and am somewhat disgusted by the parachuting of failed MPs into Welsh seats (including the Liberal Dem candidate for Ogmore Vale by-election), I do think this is a small success for proportional representation.
 

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