Bush for 2004! (yeah, right)

[RacyBacy]

That's why you need to watch Fox News. Fair and Balanced, the stuff CNN would never show. American troops handing out school supplies, Iraqi police officers patrolling their own streets, Iraqi children playing soccer, total strangers giving Coalition troops intelligence on where the terrorists are and their weapon stockpiles, etc. CNN reports on the truth, but never the whole truth.

Anyone want a game of soccer in Iraq? You make it out as if Iraq is peace and tranquility! Who are you kidding?

Seriously though Viper Zero, are you really a travel agent trying to sell holidays to Iraq?

 

[Solid Fro]

Right now if someone declared war on the US you are ****ed. You don't even have enough force to finish the wars you have going on.

Wrong. LMAO

About 60% of Army combat troops and about 40% Marines are in Iraq. You forgot about the Air Force, Navy, and National Guard. The UN could not fight a war against the US.

Wasn't Michael Moore the one that said Iraq was a peaceful and tranquil country? RacyBacy, you are blinded by your arrogance.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128737,00.html (Steve-O gives intelligence to the soldiers of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment.)
http://www.iraqiyouthtrust.com/ (Help Steve-O come to the US.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/02/sports/othersports/02VECS.html?ex=1398830400&en=7e471cf407b276a8&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND (OMG, The New York Times reporting the truth?!) (CPT. Alex Fyfe helps out Iraqi children who want to play soccer.)

http://www.operationiraqichildren.org/ (Actor Gary Sinise helps a charity called OIC that gives Iraqi children school supplies.)

 

[RacyBacy]

Wasn't Michael Moore the one that said Iraq was a peaceful and tranquil country? RacyBacy, you are blinded by your arrogance. [/b]

Coming from the guy that can't stand Michael Moore - and now you want to quote him against me!

I don't think Michael Moore would ever say that Iraq is a peaceful and tranquil country now (post American invasion of course). Where is your evidence?

In terms of my arrogance-that's debatable-I couldn't help but laugh at yours in the post I originally replied to. The fact you use the phrase "children playing soccer", with the words "weapon" and "terrorists" in the same sentence should tell you how crazy you sounded. Hence my sarcastic reply.

If you had wanted a more balanced view of things you could have said something like this:

"Iraq is a disaster zone. American contractors are being beheaded, American soldiers are dying and suffering injuries from fighting but still the American soldier fights on and tries to help the Iraqi children. They even try to play soccer on the streets with Iraqi children when they can..." (I was trying to be patriotic for you there Viper Zero - even though it's still a rosy sounding one-sided statement)

Ditch the Michael Moore analysis that you originally gave and paint the whole picture, not the tiny little pleasant one of Iraqi children playing soccer. How about posting a link that shows the injuries Iraqi children have suffered or a count of all the Iraqi deaths?

 

[Solid Fro]

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Unfortunately, this is war. It hasn't changed since the beginning of man. There will always be collateral damage, even with the technological power of the US military, civilians will always be caught in the crossfire.

Paint the whole picture? I only finished painting the picture. Ninety percent of Iraq is not the gloom and doom that you paint. It is only these terrorist actions that stand out on your canvas.

 

[RacyBacy]

Paint the whole picture? I only finished painting the picture. Ninety percent of Iraq is not the gloom and doom that you paint. It is only these terrorist actions that stand out on your canvas.

Where did you get 90 percent from? Or is that just your Bushie opinion?

What stands out on my canvas (a mass of red) is the death of the innocent civilians, especially the children. Iraq body count does not make pleasant reading at all.

As for the terrorists. Hmm, the UN secretary general (only last week) judged the war on Iraq to be illegal. So if you declare war on a country and it's judged to be illegal then no wonder there is a terrorist uprising (extreme though it may be).

 

[milefile]

Hmm, the UN secretary general (only last week) judged the war on Iraq to be illegal. So if you declare war on a country and it's judged to be illegal then no wonder there is a terrorist uprising (extreme though it may be).

Kofi Annan? That cockroach who drew a moral equiivilancy between hacking off heads with knives while chanting to Allah and putting women's underwear on somebody's head? Please. Don't insult our intelligence.

 

[RacyBacy]

I'm certainly not trying to insult your intelliegence since you are a distinguished member!

The war was illegal. Seems you can't accept that fact.

 

[milefile]

Illegal as defined by an illegitimate governing body. Seems you can't accept this fact: The UN is useless and corrupt. The US only supports the UN, almost wholly, for PR. And that won't last forever.

 

[Anderton Prime]

The US also created the UN, and basically ran and manipulated it for the advantage of America for a big bart of the 20th century. Why has it become so corrupt? How did America lose control? Corruptness is now the label for dissent? The American Government is corrupt and useless too, but you can get in a lot of trouble for not agreeing with them...

 

[Duke]

Ohh, puh-lease. I may have to retract my statement about not comparing you to wellryn. You guys are astonishing sometimes.

 

[milefile]

The US also created the UN

Prove it.

and basically ran and manipulated it for the advantage of America for a big bart of the 20th century.

Prove it.

Why has it become so corrupt? How did America lose control?

So then you concede it is corrupt. Good. Your statement also implies if America was in control it would not be corrupt. Also good.

Corruptness is now the label for dissent?

I'll assume you mean corruption. But who are you suggesting is dissenting?

The American Government is corrupt and useless too

Of course history and facts prove the exact opposite.

but you can get in a lot of trouble for not agreeing with them...

Like who?

 

[RacyBacy]

Illegal as defined by an illegitimate governing body.

No, illegal as defined by millions of people like myself. Everyone doesn't have the same opinion as you do milefile. Kofi is one of them.

 

[Duke]

Well, I think giant fart cannons on 4-cylinder cars are illegal, and millions of decency-loving people in the world agree with me. So that makes them illegal.

Yay!

 

[RacyBacy]

Well, I think giant fart cannons on 4-cylinder cars are illegal, and millions of decency-loving people in the world agree with me. So that makes them illegal.

Yay!

That has to be one of the stupidest posts I have ever read on this site when you consider the context in which it was written. And from a moderator too.

To compare a "giant fart cannon" on a 4-cylinder car to the war in Iraq is delusional.

Can no one accept the view that some people just don't agree with the war in Iraq instead of coming out with stupid, childish comparisons which have no substance or relevance?

Can no one accept the views of Kofi Annan?

Seems not on this site anyway.

 

[milefile]

No, illegal as defined by millions of people like myself.

Exactly. Illegitimate.

Everyone doesn't have the same opinion as you do milefile.

I know. But millions of people do, so I must be right. Right?

Kofi is one of them.

And so are you. Big deal.

 

[RacyBacy]

And milefile has just proved my point exactly with his blunt reply because my views don't agree with his.

And if my view can be viewed as illegitimate then so can yours right. Right?

 

[milefile]

That has to be one of the stupidest posts I have ever read on this site when you consider the context in which it was written. And from a moderator too.

To compare a "giant fart cannon" on a 4-cylinder car to the war in Iraq is delusional.

Only if you have no grasp of the general principles involved, principles that apply to small and large issues all the same.

 

[milefile]

And milefile has just proved my point exactly with his blunt reply because my views don't agree with his.

And if my view can be viewed as illegitimate then so can yours right. Right?

Yes. This is why there are wars. This is why we fight.

 

[RacyBacy]

Yes. This is why there are wars. This is why we fight.

Maybe in your case but certainly not in mine.

I hope you don't see me as the enemy now because I have a different viewpoint on the legality of Iraq war. Or do you, because you come across as if war is the only answer.

 

[milefile]

Maybe in your case but certainly not in mine.

I hope you don't see me as the enemy now because I have a different viewpoint on the legality of Iraq war. Or do you, because you come across as if war is the only answer.

You're in Scottland so I care a lot less about what you think than I do about those who think like you and actually live in America.

 

[RacyBacy]

You're in Scottland so I care a lot less about what you think than I do about those who think like you and actually live in America.

Phew! I was getting worried there ...

 

[Anderton Prime]

Dear milefile:

If you are actually going to sit at your computer and ask me to prove that the United States of America created the United Nations (as well as the World Bank and several other "global" organizations), then perhaps you have enough time to run a Google search on the following phrase:

"U.S. created the UN"

You will get over 50 matches, from many scholarly sites including the Washington Post and the McLaughlin Group Library. You will also notice that there are many people who are aware of this other than me.

I am suggesting that those nations WHO DO NOT SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ are seen as dissenters and being "anti-American" by the US.

And I did not imply that it was because America "lost control" of the UN that it became corrupt. When a so-called "global" organization that is supposed to be governed by many nations is basically controlled by the nation which created it (ex. if the UN doesn't agree with something the US wants to do, they GO AHEAD AND DO IT ANYWAY) that is an example of curruption.

As well, learn to spell other countries properly before you dare to say anything about people from them:

You're in Scottland so I care a lot less about what you think than I do about those who think like you and actually live in America.

I'll assume you meant SCOTLAND.

 

[Anderton Prime]

Yes. This is why there are wars. This is why we fight.

You, sir, are a CHILD. And I fear you live in a nation with many more children masquerading as adults. Essentially, you are saying that you (America) fights wars because of opposing viewpoints. I guess that means you and I should go to war, milefile.

 

[Danoff]

When a so-called "global" organization that is supposed to be governed by many nations is basically controlled by the nation which created it (ex. if the UN doesn't agree with something the US wants to do, they GO AHEAD AND DO IT ANYWAY) that is an example of curruption.

Actually that's not what corruption (spelled with an "o") is. But let's take a look at this statement.

You imply that because the US does what it wants to, that means it controlls the UN. Does this strike anyone else as not adding up?

 

[Anderton Prime]

Actually that's not what corruption (spelled with an "o") is. But let's take a look at this statement.

You imply that because the US does what it wants to, that means it controlls the UN. Does this strike anyone else as not adding up?

I used the US doing what it wants to as one way it has helped to corrupt the organization. Oh, and CONTROLS is spelled with one "L", if we're all going to nitpick words here.

 

[Danoff]

Oh, and CONTROLS is spelled with one "L", if we're all going to nitpick words here.

Autocorrect in word has prevented me from even realizing I was making a mistake. Anyway you started the spelling competition here.

I used the US doing what it wants to as one way it has helped to corrupt the organization.

...and I'm saying that doesn't make sense.

 

[Anderton Prime]

Anyway you started the spelling competition here.

Misspelling the word "corruption" is not nearly as big as misspelling the name of one's country, wouldn't you agree? If I spelled it Amerika, you'd correct me toute suite.

And the UN is basically powerless nowadays, right? But I am saying this is largely due to the actions of America, in particular your country has on more than one occasion gone against the UN, which defeats the whole purpose of the UN. No American should be bellyaching about corruption in the UN, when it was America that robbed the organization of its power.

If everyone in the playground sees the big kid smoking a cigarette, what's to stop them from smoking cigarettes themselves? If the US is supposed to be a world leader, I don't think it's setting a very good example.

 

[milefile]

Dear milefile:

If you are actually going to sit at your computer and ask me to prove that the United States of America created the United Nations (as well as the World Bank and several other "global" organizations), then perhaps you have enough time to run a Google search on the following phrase:

"U.S. created the UN"

You will get over 50 matches, from many scholarly sites including the Washington Post and the McLaughlin Group Library. You will also notice that there are many people who are aware of this other than me.

You made the claim. You back it up.

I am suggesting that those nations WHO DO NOT SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ are seen as dissenters

Which is interresting because out of the nations on the security council America is actually the dissenter.

And I did not imply that it was because America "lost control" of the UN that it became corrupt. When a so-called "global" organization that is supposed to be governed by many nations is basically controlled by the nation which created it (ex. if the UN doesn't agree with something the US wants to do, they GO AHEAD AND DO IT ANYWAY) that is an example of curruption.

This makes no sense. There is no continuity between your two points, i.e. your example is not related to the introductory sentence. And it is not an example of corruption, anyway. It is rebellion. A good example of corruption would be not doing what you repeatedly say you will do because a handfull of preferred members are benefitting from the suffering of a nation because of the sanction they've placed on it. I said it somewhere else, and I'll say it here, too: America and it's allies liberated Iraq from the UN and Saddam.

As well, learn to spell other countries properly before you dare to say anything about people from them:


I'll assume you meant SCOTLAND.

Pa-leese. A typo is different from made-up words.

 

[milefile]

You, sir, are a CHILD. And I fear you live in a nation with many more children masquerading as adults.

It only took you two posts to start name calling. I'd say you, sir, have nothing to back you up.

Essentially, you are saying that you (America) fights wars because of opposing viewpoints.

Is there another reason for it? At bottom, this is the only reason. You can also call it "fundementally opposed philosophical perspectives", or something like that.

I guess that means you and I should go to war, milefile.

You're just picking up on that? We already are.

 

[Danoff]

And the UN is basically powerless nowadays, right? But I am saying this is largely due to the actions of America, in particular your country has on more than one occasion gone against the UN, which defeats the whole purpose of the UN. No American should be bellyaching about corruption in the UN, when it was America that robbed the organization of its power.

You're confusing the word corruption with the word useless. Just because the UN gets nothing done doesn't mean it's corrupt. And just because the US does what it wants to doesn't mean the UN is corrupt (even the thought doesn't make sense). As milefile pointed out, corruption would be something more like claiming you're going to do something (remove saddam if he doesn't comply with terms) and then not doing it. But a worse example of corruption would be stealing money from the oil-for-food program.