C.j Smoking.

[gt3 drifter]

I have heard of cj smoking or snorting coke, how do I do this? (in game of course so dont pm me complaining)

 

[TwinTurboJay]

B.S., don't believe it !

 

[Will.c]

Hmm. I seem to remember some guy in the street (in game ) asking me to buy some stuff from him, so that would probably be it. You probably won't see him do it.. just get some strange effects instead.

 

[gt3 drifter]

no I know that you see it coz i saw screenshots. but how do I get hin to do it.

 

[Revheadnz]

R* was going to include the ability to smoke/do drugs but they took it out of the final game.

 

[Deli Dingo]

Hmm. I seem to remember some guy in the street (in game ) asking me to buy some stuff from him, so that would probably be it. You probably won't see him do it.. just get some strange effects instead.

Does anybody know what exactly happens if you reply positively to the drug dealer (guy with the black stocking-cap in Los Santos that stands funny)? I think I've done it before, but I didn't notice anything happening.

 

[Giancarlo]

Hmm. I seem to remember some guy in the street (in game ) asking me to buy some stuff from him, so that would probably be it. You probably won't see him do it.. just get some strange effects instead.

That's a drug dealer. Kill him and you get a quick $2000 or so, and boost your gang strength. Careful though, they usually pack a 9mm.

 

[Will.c]

Does anybody know what exactly happens if you reply positively to the drug dealer (guy with the black stocking-cap in Los Santos that stands funny)? I think I've done it before, but I didn't notice anything happening.

I tried to, but even when i pressed to reply possitively he gave a rather rude negative response.
I doubt the effects would be very interesting anyway, probably just put everything into slowmotion like it did on GTA3

 

[Deli Dingo]

Or maybe like the mission where you burn the weed gardens. . . .

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

He gives a negative response, regardless of what you try and say. Revheadnz was correct. Rockstar were going to include this ability, but refrained from including it due to the fact that it would be seen as promoting smoking and drugs, and they didn't want more lawsuits on their hands, especially one like this which they would almost definately lose.

You can't smoke or take drugs, sorry. Watch out for mods for it on the PC version.

 

[KieranMurphy]

Quote from ped on street - "I smoke because it gives me knowledge!"

I heard about Rockstar taking out the ability to smoke and buy drugs because they didn't want to be shown to promote them.

Aren't they worried about promoting breaking and entering people's houses, carjacking innocent drivers, illegal street racing, illegal arms dealing, summary execution of drug dealers, gang violence, etc. etc. ?


KM.

 

[gt3 drifter]

if rockstar didnt want to condone smoking or drugs why did they make some of the ballas and other gangmembers smoking a joint and the gangmember who sells them is either a balla guy whit a waist coat or a guy wit a baseball cap and the have both hands crossed.

 

[ExigeEvan]

How can R* be seen as promoting drugs when in my view the entire game seems almost all anti-drugs. Admitadley CJ isn't shunning any drug work but the comments made when he sees people high are anti-drug.

And isn't seeing loads of people looking crap and talking goble-dee-gook anti-drug?

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

How can R* be seen as promoting drugs when in my view the entire game seems almost all anti-drugs. Admitadley CJ isn't shunning any drug work but the comments made when he sees people high are anti-drug.

And isn't seeing loads of people looking crap and talking goble-dee-gook anti-drug?

Yes, that's what they changed the attitude of the whole game to. Originally, I believe CJ was going to be a little different. It wasn't a last minute decision to take them out, they thought it out entirely.

if rockstar didnt want to condone smoking or drugs why did they make some of the ballas and other gangmembers smoking a joint and the gangmember who sells them is either a balla guy whit a waist coat or a guy wit a baseball cap and the have both hands crossed.

Because that's not giving you the ability to smoke. Other people smoking joints, etc, is real world stuff, and even if giving you the ability to smoke joints or not, it's still too much of a messy subject for Rockstar to deal with, considering they have to fend off lawsuits all the time with GTA and Manhunt.

Aren't they worried about promoting breaking and entering people's houses, carjacking innocent drivers, illegal street racing, illegal arms dealing, summary execution of drug dealers, gang violence, etc. etc. ?

They've already fended off lawsuits for some of them in the past GTA games, meaning that cases like that won't come up again. Breaking and entering houses almost did get taken out of the Australian version of the game, but they left it in seeing as it's a big part of the game, being introduced in a mission and all. Smoking drugs and what-not is not a big part of GTA, and whether or not GTA is about the freedom to do things, think about Rockstar's side of the equation. I honestly don't care whether the ability to take drugs are in or not. I'm one for freedom and realism, but it's not the biggest loss in the world.

Plus, Rockstar will find some subtle way to introduce it in the next GTA, knowing them.

 

[ledhed]

its nutz enough in real life ..why would you WANT to smoke or do coke in a friggin game ???? plus its totaly out of line with the dude CJ 's supposed to be ..or are you not paying attention to that part ?.....i'm not down with that...but let me go cop some swift from the drug dude any hoo just for kicks ??? Plus why would R* want to put more crap in that trhey know will COST them cash when it adds nothing to the game ??....I dont know maybe I just dont get it , but then again I cant see why anyone would get all frosty over naked cartoon gamebabes..I prefer my naked babes real and close by...but I digress...

 

[Blake]

Drugs are bad, mmkay? I'm not going to argue why Rockstar didn't allow CJ to purchase and use drugs because 1. I don't know why they did it 2. The most likely reasons for them doing it have already been mentioned. I am glad they didn't include this feature though, I'm a very anti-drugs person so personally I think it's better left out. Of course I would go ranting about if it was in the game but it's a feature I would probably ignore.

Drugs are not cool, stay in school!

Blake

 

[KieranMurphy]

I'm a very anti-drugs person so personally I think it's better left out. Drugs are not cool, stay in school!

Blake

Killing people ain't cool, stay in school!
Breaking and entering ain't cool, stay in school!
Being in a gang ain't cool, stay in school!
Jackin' cars ain't cool, stay in school!
Working for the Yakuza ain't cool, stay in school!
Robbing a casino ain't cool, stay in school!

As for me, I'd rather people smoked marijuana than did any of the above things I listed, which is exactly why I find the whole situation beyond laughable. It's a case of ridiciliously misplaced ideals. Has the Drug War propaganda been so successful that a game where you can have a toke of a joint is worse than a game where you're a thief and a murderer?

Don't do drugs! STEAL CARS INSTEAD!
Don't do drugs! BLOW UP A POLICE HELICOPTER INSTEAD!
Don't do drugs! KILL PEOPLE INSTEAD!
Don't do drugs! GET INTO A GANG WAR INSTEAD!


KM.

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

Has the Drug War propaganda been so successful that a game where you can have a toke of a joint is worse than a game where you're a thief and a murderer?

Seems so. I see where you're coming from, and it is quite funny when you think about it, but honestly, I'd rather steal cars, blow up Police Helicopters, kill people and get into a gang war than stand around and smoke a joint (in-game, of course).

 

[KieranMurphy]

I'd rather steal cars, blow up Police Helicopters, kill people and get into a gang war than stand around and smoke a joint (in-game, of course).

Well, that's why games are made the way they are. Of course you want to blow up stuff and steal stuff and shoot enemy gang members. It's fun because it's fun.

I'm just amazed that people can defend removing Rockstar's decision remove the ability for the protagonist to smoke a joint because there's something immoral about taking drugs but aren't bothered by them leaving in the ability to throw a hand grenade into crowded traffic.

Maybe it's my morals that are all screwy, and maybe taking drugs or smoking cigarettes is worse than shooting people or breaking and entering into people's homes.


KM.

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

I'm just amazed that people can defend removing Rockstar's decision remove the ability for the protagonist to smoke a joint because there's something immoral about taking drugs but aren't bothered by them leaving in the ability to throw a hand grenade into crowded traffic

It's not the morals that they removed it for, it's most likely the fact that they don't want to deal with more lawsuits. These lawsuits would come about because the other people, like the parents, etc, would see this as immoral. This is a result of the way society seems to be working today, like you said. I'm not defending their morals, more-so that I understand that they are quite sick of the continuous law-suits they seem to be involved in.

 

[Revheadnz]

I don't think it is a case of misplaced ideals. People do drugs every day and as much people try to deny it lots and lots of people do it. However, even the most hardened criminal, while he may take drugs, is not likely to shoot down a police helicopter with a RPG launcher nor is he likely to walk out of his house each day and just jack the first person he sees for their ride. As well as to avoid the lawsuits R* took out the smoking/doing drugs because to the easily led person, seeing their favourite game character, in this case CJ, smoking or snorting coke may give them the impression it is cool and okay to do in real life. However, no-one, no matter how impressionable is going to go on a killing spree just cause they saw it in a game.

Just so you know, I am staunchly anti-drugs.

 

[KieranMurphy]

However, no-one, no matter how impressionable is going to go on a killing spree just cause they saw it in a game.

Why would some kid decide to go out and experiment with crack because of a game but not experiment with shooting a gun because of a game? I know that people aren't going to go out and do drive-bys because of what a character in a game did, but are people really more likely to experiment with dangerous drugs than they are to experiment with guns because of a game? In plenty of places, getting your hands on a gun is easier than getting your hands on illicit drugs. And legal too.

Just so you know, I am staunchly anti-drugs.

I'm not. I think the whole legal attitude towards drugs is ridicilous. I can go down my local off-license and get some booze to get loaded but I can't legally smoke a joint? Pah! But that's a debate for a different forum.


KM.

 

[Revheadnz]

Good point KM, I was thinking more about where I live so I suppose that doesn't really apply so much in other areas. I concur.

I said that I was staunchly anti-drug meaning I would never do any drugs myself. I know a lot of people that do drugs and I can understand the mentality behind it, I just meant that I don't like the idea of it myself.

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

I know that people aren't going to go out and do drive-bys because of what a character in a game did, but are people really more likely to experiment with dangerous drugs than they are to experiment with guns because of a game?

Regardless of the availability, drugs are becoming more common amongst youths, and less of them are afraid of trying some here and there, and I am including harder drugs here. At least that's the attitude to a fair amount of youths over here. Personally, I think Revheadnz is right on the ball. I think many more people are willing to go out and try a few drugs here and there, hard or not, rather than going out and killing someone, or harming them with a lethal weapon. The fear of a longer-term imprisonment factors into that equation.

Still, this is not to say that some youths won't experiment with guns. School shootings are becoming more of a concern, among other incidences. But I think youths are more impressionable when it comes to drugs, as in a lot of cases, drugs are depicted as a cool thing to do, while also being shown as if taking drugs, like Marijuana, will make everything a lot of fun.

 

[Blake]

In a persons lifetime it is estimated that people will see 70,000 deaths, be it on a game, in a movie or in real life. People see so much violence and death anyway I'm sure seeing a few thousand more on a game isn't going to make them do it.

In fact, I can't see anyone with a single brain cell emulating illegal stuff they see on games. People who do stuff because they see it on a game have plenty of their own issues and they would probably end up doing drugs / killing people / killing things that crwled from Uranus anyway.

Blake

 

[R32GTST/M]

Regardless of the availability, drugs are becoming more common amongst youths, and less of them are afraid of trying some here and there, and I am including harder drugs here. At least that's the attitude to a fair amount of youths over here. Personally, I think Revheadnz is right on the ball. I think many more people are willing to go out and try a few drugs here and there, hard or not, rather than going out and killing someone, or harming them with a lethal weapon. The fear of a longer-term imprisonment factors into that equation.

I agree, Its far easier to get hold of drugs [even the harder ones in most societies] than it is to get a gun, [exept the U.S maybe] or even get behind the wheel of a car.
Plus it takes someone alot more balls to do a hard crime, than to smoke a jay or take some pills.
So thats Probably why R* probably decided to pull the drugs thing, being that the availability of drugs and the influence would be too great, or atleast greater than the urge to steal a car and run over people.

 

[Small_Fryz]

also, if you shoot someone you will be caught 99% of the time, however if you do drugs you will be unlucky to get caught/found out. Its a lot easier to get drugs then it is do get guns and even easier to use drugs than guns. if you shoot a gun anywhere in suburbian other people will know, if you take drugs and stay inside/ in the bush no one will know. I dont care if drugs or smoking is in the game or not, and quite frankly i think having drugs in the game is asking for trouble from parents. apart from the US (from what i can see), drugs are more of a problem then guns among youths.

 

[KieranMurphy]

apart from the US (from what i can see), drugs are more of a problem then guns among youths.

Certain drugs are more of a problem than guns. Alcohol for one. Alcohol is easier to get than illicit drugs and is responsible for god knows how much violence, health problems, car accidents, etc. Yet early in the game you're given money and told to buy beer with it...

I think it's got nothing to do with the actual risks of people doing drugs or emulating anything in the game. Rockstar just know that it's the kind of thing people would complain about so they removed it.


KM.

 

[Blake]

But alchahol is perfectly legal to anyone over 18 (I think it's 21 in the US), so what's wrong with being told to do something that's legal to most of the target audience?

Blake

 

[KieranMurphy]

But alchahol is perfectly legal to anyone over 18 (I think it's 21 in the US), so what's wrong with being told to do something that's legal to most of the target audience?

Blake

I hadn't thought of it that way.

My point however, is that I reckon Rockstar took out the drug stuff not because anyone was likely to do drugs because of the game, but because drugs are the kind of thing that people complain about, rightly or wrongly. The safe thing is to just remove it from the game. Violence in games isn't new so another ultraviolent game on the market isn't going to raise a lot of eyebrows, but one where the main character can buy drugs or smoke cigarettes, will get the what-about-the-children crowd complaining.


KM.