Can a car brake into a corner with ABS like in the game in real life?

[newbielives]

I always set ABS to zero and brake bias to 7-4 because I can't believe it is that easy to brake into a corner with ABS. I could be wrong though and would like to hear from anyone with real life experience.

 

[zr1chris]

How could you even compare if your ABS is set at 0? 0 = no ABS

 

[newbielives]

I have played with ABS set to 1 before

How could you even compare if your ABS is set at 0? 0 = no ABS

 

[ell470]

During winter here in sweden ABS lets me turn my car while skidding, in game it has that same exact feeling.

Lock your wheels (no ABS) & the car will go straight no matter how much you turn your wheel.

edit: rephrase

 

[TeddyBear-420]

Abs off i set my bias really low. ABS 10 is super easy... i will stick to 1. unless the car is very old and doesnt come with ABS

 

[OK8]

I always race with abs0 if I'm driving my own cars but from time to time I drive a car where I can't adjust the brake balance so I have to use it and it sure makes a difference. It's soo easy to turn in while still having the brake to the floor it's ridiculous and you can push your braking points later and later.

I very much doubt there is an abs system this good in any real car.

 

[JamboGT]

Wow, 7-4 with ABS off must be really tough.

 

[ell470]

I always race with abs0 if I'm driving my own cars but from time to time I drive a car where I can't adjust the brake balance so I have to use it and it sure makes a difference. It's soo easy to turn in while still having the brake to the floor it's ridiculous and you can push your braking points later and later.

You do realize newer cars come with ABS & turning it off is not realistic? If you're after staying true to real life I mean. If you just want the game to be harder, then by all means, go ABS-0 on everything

Wow, 7-4 with ABS off must be really tough.

I personally use brake bias 4-2 on all cars.

edit: typo

 

[newbielives]

Pretty much have the same feelings but is it realistic to brake that late and during the corner like in the game when in a car with ABS

I always race with abs0 if I'm driving my own cars but from time to time I drive a car where I can't adjust the brake balance so I have to use it and it sure makes a difference. It's soo easy to turn in while still having the brake to the floor it's ridiculous and you can push your braking points later and later.

I very much doubt there is an abs system this good in any real car.

 

[newbielives]

Really? what are your brake bias settings?
That's the one I've been comfortable with

Wow, 7-4 with ABS off must be really tough.

 

[JamboGT]

With ABS off I usually go for 3-2 or 2-3 depending on the car.

Though if I wasn't using DFGT pedals I could probably increase it.

 

[newbielives]

I'll try 3-2 sometimes, but 2-3 seems CRAZEH but I guess it helps on turn in if the car has way to much understeer

With ABS off I usually go for 3-2 or 2-3 depending on the car.

Though if I wasn't using DFGT pedals I could probably increase it.

 

[iamjajo]

I've been driving cars with ABS for about 20 years.

One of my current motorcycles even has ABS.

Driving without ABS is silly...real life or in the game.

 

[CSLACR]

I always race with abs0 if I'm driving my own cars but from time to time I drive a car where I can't adjust the brake balance so I have to use it and it sure makes a difference. It's soo easy to turn in while still having the brake to the floor it's ridiculous and you can push your braking points later and later.

I very much doubt there is an abs system this good in any real car.

Typically the back end comes out on anyone that actually slams the brakes while turning as hard as you can in GT5, with ABS.

I personally don't go into corners with the brake floored, because it's slower.
I know you can, with most cars, but it's always slower, you should be peddling the brakes even with ABS on.

I've been driving cars with ABS for about 20 years.

One of my current motorcycles even has ABS.

Driving without ABS is silly...real life or in the game.

Unless you're racing where ABS is not allowed.
I don't believe ABS, TCS, or any aids should be allowed in any form of racing besides "showroom stock" types.
Let alone those 🤬🤬 paddle automatics.

 

[CarBastard]

What I want to know if in real life braking hard without ABS is really that hard. I mean, do you really don't get any kind of signal? In GT5 with the G27 pedals the only signal of tyre lock-up is that tyre screeching sound that means "Oh dear, you're already skidding out of control". I don't know where I got the idea that in real life the brake pedal hardens as it gets close to lock up, is this true? Is it a matter of lack of feedback?

 

[Lambob]

ABS in winter gets people killed. I'd feel safer jumping out of my car at 60km/hr than applying ABS brakes in an ice storm.

 

[CSLACR]

What I want to know if in real life braking hard without ABS is really that hard. I mean, do you really don't get any kind of signal? In GT5 with the G27 pedals the only signal of tyre lock-up is that tyre screeching sound that means "Oh dear, you're already skidding out of control". I don't know where I got the idea that in real life the brake pedal hardens as it gets close to lock up, is this true? Is it a matter of lack of feedback?

Yes, 100%.
My first couple cars didn't have it, so having driven both, I find it very easy to tell when tires are on the verge of locking.
-However- Some people have no clue, it's a driver thing, some people know, most don't.

The best is without ABS, it's more fun IRL.

 

[apex28del]

What I want to know if in real life braking hard without ABS is really that hard. I mean, do you really don't get any kind of signal? In GT5 with the G27 pedals the only signal of tyre lock-up is that tyre screeching sound that means "Oh dear, you're already skidding out of control". I don't know where I got the idea that in real life the brake pedal hardens as it gets close to lock up, is this true? Is it a matter of lack of feedback?

In a real car, you get a lot more physical feedback through the wheel. The tires tend to hop under near-lock breaking and steering force varies near lockup as well. The pedal itself is usually not as big of an indicator as the physical seat-of-the-pants feedback.

 

[CarBastard]

Yes, 100%.
My first couple cars didn't have it, so having driven both, I find it very easy to tell when tires are on the verge of locking.
-However- Some people have no clue, it's a driver thing, some people know, most don't.

The best is without ABS, it's more fun IRL.

In a real car, you get a lot more physical feedback through the wheel. The tires tend to hop under near-lock breaking and steering force varies near lockup as well. The pedal itself is usually not as big of an indicator as the physical seat-of-the-pants feedback.

So, I'm not entirely to blame for having a hard time everytime I drive without ABS? The G27 pedal has an overall great feel, that's why I won't qualify it as a toy, but I've often blamed this for my inability of driving entire laps ABS off, I can make some corners here and there but I never nail it together.

I'm waiting for that Skip Barber School book ("Going faster: The art of race driving" or something like that) and I've read the Apex book. Other than that and some casual GT5 practice I really have no serious driving experience or teaching. Could you please tell me more about the practical aspects of ABS-less braking and the so called "Threshold braking"?

 

[newbielives]

The question is not whether you should drive with ABS or without it's whether it is realistic in the game where you can slam on the brakes and brake through mid corner when with ABS. Can you also do this in real life with a car that has ABS which I personally do not know having never used ABS in a racing situation in real life since I don't race in real life.

I've been driving cars with ABS for about 20 years.

One of my current motorcycles even has ABS.

Driving without ABS is silly...real life or in the game.

 

[CMvan46]

ABS in winter gets people killed. I'd feel safer jumping out of my car at 60km/hr than applying ABS brakes in an ice storm.

Pardon? Please justify that with proof.

I snowboard quite a bit and have taken a RWD mustang up our mountains here and abs saves the rear end a lot. abs saves lives.

 

[akjay]

seriously you dont need ABS, in the winter time it actually makes my fullsize chevy truck stop later...i just pull the fuse for ABS and i can stop it shorter with some brake control...i actually hate it because is starts the ABS way to early. **** ABS

 

[sins1er]

Turning a car with abs while in a turn let's u turn "better" than if u didn't have it. But your turning will be severely limited just by physics itself. Tires can only do so much. Either turning, braking or accelerating...

 

[CSLACR]

So, I'm not entirely to blame for having a hard time everytime I drive without ABS? The G27 pedal has an overall great feel, that's why I won't qualify it as a toy, but I've often blamed this for my inability of driving entire laps ABS off, I can make some corners here and there but I never nail it together.

I'm waiting for that Skip Barber School book ("Going faster: The art of race driving" or something like that) and I've read the Apex book. Other than that and some casual GT5 practice I really have no serious driving experience or teaching. Could you please tell me more about the practical aspects of ABS-less braking and the so called "Threshold braking"?

Threshold braking is braking on the threshold of locking the wheels, and is quite a difficult skill to master. I've done it, but with my road experience it's rarely needed, so I'm certainly not an expert, I've never unintentionally crossed the line though, so +1 for me.
The main trick is not locking the wheels, once this happens, your grip level plummets, you start skidding, can't steer at all. To add difficulty, once they lock, you have to release to even less pressure than (I) ever imagined.
Basically, to master threshold braking, you either need to break laws a lot, or have access to a race track. Really no different from mastering a good launch, throttle control exiting corners, or steering, you have to keep the tires from sliding to much, while keeping them sliding enough to go fast.

The question is not whether you should drive with ABS or without it's whether it is realistic in the game where you can slam on the brakes and brake through mid corner when with ABS. Can you also do this in real life with a car that has ABS which I personally do not know having never used ABS in a racing situation in real life since I don't race in real life.

In the FF cars I've owned, (all I've had yet) ) In the times I did it the back-end shoots out like a rocket, presumably due to the overly light weight of the rear.
In GT5 and real life, proper brake modulation is key to fast corner entry, with or without ABS.

ABS in winter gets people killed. I'd feel safer jumping out of my car at 60km/hr than applying ABS brakes in an ice storm.

The single most incorrect and foolish statement I've heard in some time. ABS systems stop cars in any weather faster than humans can without ABS, the pulsation time and corrections to each wheel are things a driver cannot do as fast, and the portion of ABS that delivers more power to different wheels is something a driver cannot do at all.

 

[devildog666]

I always race with abs0 if I'm driving my own cars but from time to time I drive a car where I can't adjust the brake balance so I have to use it and it sure makes a difference. It's soo easy to turn in while still having the brake to the floor it's ridiculous and you can push your braking points later and later.

I very much doubt there is an abs system this good in any real car.

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[sins1er]

When your abs kicks in you will feel the pedal push back against your foot. You HAVE to stay in it and keep the pressure on the pedal or else abs is useless. It will also make an awful grinding noises as the actuator and brakes fight each other. abs will stop a car much faster and shorter in almost any occasion if used correctly. Even on ice. It's one of those things where you have to "trust" your cars computer over your own judgment. Driving a new GT-R is the same way. The car is so computer dominant that the car almost won't let u do something dumb. It makes slow drivers fast and fast drivers absolutely brilliant.

 

[CSLACR]

When your abs kicks in you will feel the pedal push back against your foot. You HAVE to stay in it and keep the pressure on the pedal or else abs is useless. It will also make an awful grinding noises as the actuator and brakes fight each other. abs will stop a car much faster and shorter in almost any occasion if used correctly. Even on ice. It's one of those things where you have to "trust" your cars computer over your own judgment. Driving a new GT-R is the same way. The car is so computer dominant that the car almost won't let u do something dumb. It makes slow drivers fast and fast drivers absolutely brilliant.

This, exactly.
It's been proven over and over, anyone that disagrees either has a malfunctioning ABS system, or isn't using their ABS brake system properly.

Of course, if you're road racing, once you start turning, you should no longer be on the brakes 100%, if you want to go fast.

 

[devildog666]

I F1 and in every other form of racing the goal is to go as fast as possible. When the rules in F1 were not as strict in the past, the cars had abs, tcs, and stability control.

 

[niky]

ABS isn't going to kill you in slippery conditions unless you're going way too fast to stop, in the first place.

The one problem with ABS in emergency situations is that people will have more control under braking than they're used to... in other words, they MAY tend to over-exaggerate steering motions, which means they will veer out of control under ABS... whereas they would simply slide with no ABS... but that only goes for people who are used to locking brakes. People who are used to ABS will have no such problems.

On the race track, ABS allows you to carry more speed into a corner and to turn under braking with less understeer. Instability can arise if the car's brake bias is incorrect and if the rear tires come too far unloaded, but when properly set, ABS can lead to faster laps simply because they make trail-braking that much easier. We're taught on the race track to take full advantage of ABS, but only after being taught the "proper" way to brake for a corner, as not all cars have it, and most race cars don't.

However, they're banned from competition only partly because they lead to faster laps and less tire wear. The big reason sporting bodies don't like ABS is because clever engineers can use ABS to actively tune out oversteer or understeer, much as electronic stability systems do on road cars... with computer-controlled ABS and traction control, a car can be programmed so all a driver has to do is keep his foot pinned to the throttle and steer. I remember this was demonstrated in Indy or FedEX CART before, and rumors were that one F1 team also did it, but I can't recall which one.

 

[CSLACR]

ABS isn't going to kill you in slippery conditions unless you're going way too fast to stop, in the first place.

The one problem with ABS in emergency situations is that people will have more control under braking than they're used to... in other words, they MAY tend to over-exaggerate steering motions, which means they will veer out of control under ABS... whereas they would simply slide with no ABS... but that only goes for people who are used to locking brakes. People who are used to ABS will have no such problems.

On the race track, ABS allows you to carry more speed into a corner and to turn under braking with less understeer. Instability can arise if the car's brake bias is incorrect and if the rear tires come too far unloaded, but when properly set, ABS can lead to faster laps simply because they make trail-braking that much easier. We're taught on the race track to take full advantage of ABS, but only after being taught the "proper" way to brake for a corner, as not all cars have it, and most race cars don't.

However, they're banned from competition only partly because they lead to faster laps and less tire wear. The big reason sporting bodies don't like ABS is because clever engineers can use ABS to actively tune out oversteer or understeer, much as electronic stability systems do on road cars... with computer-controlled ABS and traction control, a car can be programmed so all a driver has to do is keep his foot pinned to the throttle and steer. I remember this was demonstrated in Indy or FedEX CART before, and rumors were that one F1 team also did it, but I can't recall which one.

Something done in GT5 every week in the WRS.
The following part about just keeping the foot planted blows my mind.
I hate these type of aids for real racing, and this is exactly why, but I have to admit, that's pretty impressive, much like the new BMW that can run laps at TGTT with Clarkson doing nothing but screaming behind the wheel.