car keeps flipping over...

[AllTerainTiger]

See just comment after comment just leave. You try coming trying to act all cool. And to Cy guessing from your name your some 40 year old guy that thinks he can outsmart a person but yet you can't. You see by me saying something you laugh because you have no response to what I say because you have been outsmarted and by coming into a random thread to start a argument shows nothing more than immaturity and lack of control. But no you think very much of your self you say to your self Im just some kid and you say to yourself you know way more than me but In reality I know much more than you. You try acting a person your not and that's where you fail you show no proof of what I've said and you bring someone else in here so you feel better with someone on your side. But then you read this comment and laugh but in the back of your head your angry which shows the human instinct of competitiveness. So I leave on this think before you say something. Yet I know you will post another comeback which I know. And then you'll probably just bring another person here. But then you say I am insecure because I have written so much but I'm smart enough to think ahead. Just remember you won't win against me I can think ahead of you and before you.

And to gt5scrub and Degen ill make shure to add you. Also if you read the comments before this take it into hand as it shows the ignorance of some people on gt planet.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

We bow down to your great knowledge and superiority.


We truly are not worthy, forgive us all.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

And here we go again with the ignorance of some people I'm not saying I'm ahead of everyone I'm saying think before you say something

 

[XDesperado67]

@gt5scrub I'd like to encourage you to check out the stickies at the top of the forum they contain a lot of good information and useful links. Also try some of the tunes that are available in the garages here. Even if 75% (and that's a big if) are rubish as ATT claims that still leaves by Adrenaline's latest count well over a thousand good-great tunes on here.
Most of the active members of the tuning forum such as CyKosis trackripper and Adrenaline are more than happy to give advice on how to tweak a tune or adjust your own for better performance and so it will work with your driving style.

@ATT I'm trying to cut you a bit of slack here as your fairly new to the GTP community, but coming in making disparaging blanket statements about the forum that just aren't true won't win you any friends. Unlike the drag forum the main active group here is very friendly and enjoys sharing their best work with others. Think of us more like the various real world tuning shops and not ultra competitive racing teams. Companies like Amuse, Spoon and all the rest try and put their best work on display, not hide it from everyone and that's how the members of this forum are.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

@gt5scrub I'd like to encourage you to check out the stickies at the top of the forum they contain a lot of good information and useful links. Also try some of the tunes that are available in the garages here. Even if 75% (and that's a big if) are rubish as ATT claims that still leaves by Adrenaline's latest count well over a thousand good-great tunes on here.
Most of the active members of the tuning forum such as CyKosis trackripper and Adrenaline are more than happy to give advice on how to tweak a tune or adjust your own for better performance and so it will work with your driving style.

@ATT I'm trying to cut you a bit of slack here as your fairly new to the GTP community, but coming in making disparaging blanket statements about the forum that just aren't true won't win you any friends. Unlike the drag forum the main active group here is very friendly and enjoys sharing their best work with others. Think of us more like the various real world tuning shops and not ultra competitive racing teams. Companies like Amuse, Spoon and all the rest try and put their best work on display, not hide it from everyone and that's how the members of this forum are.

And I respect that I do but I'm not trying to disrespect anyone I'm trying to prove a point

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I'm not saying I'm ahead of everyone

Just remember you won't win against me I can think ahead of you.

You came into the thread spouting falsifications, generalizations, over-reactions and with spade fulls of vanity/self importance, while being a hypocrite of the very thing you were complaining about.

It seems you fail to see things this way, but that's certainly how it comes across to myself, and obviously others. I'd suggest turning it down a notch. If you are as smart as you say, you would have agreed to disagree, and known to walk away from the thread 'the better man'. Instead, you posted miniture essays pretty much about yourself and your superior achievements/lifestyle to everyone else, disregarding who you were talking to, what they do for a living, or their experiences.

What tipped it more was that you threw around the word "ignorant" an awful lot, while appearing ignorant yourself. Do you see this perspective?

 

[AllTerainTiger]

I'm not walking away and that comment aplied to one person only so your wrong there and yet again you come here to just make the argument bigger yet if you were smart you would walk away. The reason tunes from here don't work most of the time is because everyone has a different driving style. Say I give you a tune and you don't like but you want to change something and yet you don't know how because you've only copied tunes and never tuned yourself. Remember Im saying this as an example. It's better to teach than to give I'd rather teach someone instead of just giving them a tune because giving them a tune for my driving style won't help them at all

Yet my achievements is something I have never bragged about I only used them to prove a point yet your just trying to make your self a better person by trying to find flaws in my comments yet you say the same thing as everyone else just in a different wording.

And on the word ignorant is because you come here trying to prove me wrong with your little group of friends that can't accept the truth or what anyone else is saying

 

[iainoflo85]

He's simply saying you're being ignorant. Making sweeping generalisations without fact is what he's talking about. 95% of the tunes I've used from this site have suited me over my development from using a controller and now a wheel.

If a tune didn't work, I read the stickies and found ways of adjusting it to suit my style. So your statement that 75% of tunes will not work with my driving style is naive and wrong. Because of those 75% I would say that 50% can be tweaked with minor adjustments that don't require in depth tuning knowledge in order for them to work for me.

You tell people to think before posting - but really you're not doing this either are you. Making generalisations about a site that you've been a member of for a fairly short time and stating opinions as though they are fact just proves that you've not been listening to what people have been telling you in this thread alone and simply shows your own competitiveness and rudeness towards others who are simply trying to point out your faults.

No-one here as far as I can see is trying to start an argument, it looks like you already did that a few pages back, and it's not like you started this thread so its not your place to tell people to butt out. These are public forums, if you don't want to be criticised for your opinions don't post on them, simple as that.

EDIT: And another thing, your double and triple posting will not help you in your argument, as everyone is advised to use the Edit function to add extra information in the Acceptable Use Policy (the forum rules basically) and you are no exception.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

your little group of friends

You prove previous points further. I do not know anyone else in this thread. Infact, I probably have less than 5 posts in the entire tuning section.

I could argue all day about your lack of logic, but that's not what this thread is for and I'm not going to continue to de-rail it any further. That's no white flag or acceptance of a loss, or however you may want to look at it, I'm just trying to do the right thing, and I'm not looking for a vacation from this site either.

I should imagine you won't be either.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

Yet once again I say everyone has different driving styles and you could have different results . Yet you are the ones being ignorant by not just dropping the argument. As for my time on gt planet this is a second account due to the fact my First one got hacked.

And the double posting is because I'm on my phone and for some reason it's not letting me edit it

And I did not start the argument Cy did buy taking one of my comments and turning it into a generalization that comment was ment more towards being online and playing with other people

 

[iainoflo85]

And the double posting is because I'm on my phone and for some reason it's not letting me edit it

Even on your phone you can still edit your posts. But if you feel so strongly about this argument then perhaps jerk reaction statements in response to everything everyone is saying would be perhaps be advised against. You tell people to think before they post, well why don't you wait until you know what you want to say in full before posting a reply?

And I did not start the argument Cy did buy taking one of my comments and turning it into a generalization that comment was ment more towards being online and playing with other people

You never stated that at the time. You made a generalisation on a website where tunes are shared on a regular basis, so it's not unheard of that someone will post to say that you were wrong. Like I said he wasn't trying to start an argument, he was point out generalised misinformation. The fact that you meant playing online with other people (in game I presume) was unclear and so he had grounds to correct you on what he saw was a false statement.

 

[mistersafeway]

Us drivers respect and honor our cars with such respect and protect our tunes with our lives.

a world class driver is just going to waltz in and tell us everything he knows.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=242590

One of the fastest drivers around, second on Round 8 Event 5 of GT Academy 2012. Just saying.

 

[krenkme]

The 75% probably comes from me... sorry about that

Most, if not all, people in this forum are here to help and learn from each other. Just as and we help, or at least try to solve any issues you would have with a tune/car... that was before you came off as a self indulged _____ *fill in blank*

And before you call me immature, your damn right I am. You can only be young once, but you can be immature forever

 

[AllTerainTiger]

Umm my phone Isint exactly the most advanced piece of technology. As for the argument we are all being ignorant because instead of working things out we just kept arguing. All my point was that everyone has different driving styles and will have different results. As for the number of bad tunes I advise you to pay more attention to what tunes people put on here and you will understand me. As for now I just want to end this.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=242590

One of the fastest drivers around, second on Round 8 Event 5 of GT Academy 2012. Just saying.

I suggest don't try getting all smart because it won't prove anything

 

[iainoflo85]

Umm my phone Isint exactly the most advanced piece of technology. As for the argument we are all being ignorant because instead of working things out we just kept arguing. All my point was that everyone has different driving styles and will have different results. As for the number of bad tunes I advise you to pay more attention to what tunes people put on here and you will understand me. As for now I just want to end this.

I don't see this as an argument, merely a discussion. And please stop calling everyone ignorant. You will only annoy everyone more.

I suggest don't try getting all smart because it won't prove anything

He's making a point also. Sebastian Loeb or Sebastian Vettel would not waste their time on this website advising people how to tune cars, I know. But he's pointing out that even the best people on here are willing to help others, which was something you said would not happen.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

Even on your phone you can still edit your posts. But if you feel so strongly about this argument then perhaps jerk reaction statements in response to everything everyone is saying would be perhaps be advised against. You tell people to think before they post, well why don't you wait until you know what you want to say in full before posting a reply?

You never stated that at the time. You made a generalisation on a website where tunes are shared on a regular basis, so it's not unheard of that someone will post to say that you were wrong. Like I said he wasn't trying to start an argument, he was point out generalised misinformation. The fact that you meant playing online with other people (in game I presume) was unclear and so he had grounds to correct you on what he saw was a false statement.

I did say real life and gt5 but he did have the choice to stop but he just kept going

 

[iainoflo85]

I did say real life and gt5 but he did have the choice to stop but he just kept going

I believe he has left this thread. He has not been posting for a bit.

His last post was Post no. 28. This is post no. 56. Looks like he's no longer interested. So you can hardly say he's "kept going".

 

[AllTerainTiger]

It was meant as a general statement I don't mean it as If he never stopped so stop making generalizations like that.

 

[iainoflo85]

It was meant as a general statement I don't mean it as If he never stopped so stop making generalizations like that.

I was being specific.

 

[gt5scrub]

ay i dint mean 2 start a flame war ma bad pls close thx 4 ur help ATT i added u on PS3 hit me up pz.

 

[Swara]

This AllTerainTiger looks like an overall troll, he also did this 🤬 in our drag racing forum.

 

[CyKosis1973]

ay i dint mean 2 start a flame war ma bad pls close thx 4 ur help ATT i added u on PS3 hit me up pz.

You didn't start anything, you're alright...

This AllTerainTiger looks like an overall troll, he also did this 🤬 in our drag racing forum.

Yeah, I've just been reading some of the stuff he's posted. I'll be kind and put it down to cultural differences and language barriers, if he does indeed come from San Salvador. He has the charm and wit of a brick...

{Cy}

 

[AllTerainTiger]

You didn't start anything, you're alright...

Yeah, I've just been reading some of the stuff he's posted. I'll be kind and put it down to cultural differences and language barriers, if he does indeed come from San Salvador. He has the charm and wit of a brick...

{Cy}

Also if you were smart you would just drop the argument like the rest of us did

And now your pretty much just making fun of where I from

 

[Broseph]

lol... wow this topic sure took a turn for the worse. Anyway...

That's bad Idea because then the car will just spin out instead of flipping

That's the point of it. It keeps you from overdriving your car. Tipping usually occurs because you have too much grip for a very light and.or top heavy car. Basically, the high grip allows you to drive past the car's capabilities.

One option is to increase the weight of the car with ballast and lower the ride height as much as possible. But that may not FIX the problem, it may just raise the tipping threshold. It may still tip, just at a higher cornering speed.

If instead you step down to less grippy tires, it will not tip, ever. Instead, when you reach the car's cornering limit, it loses grip. And IMO it is much easier to recover from a loss of grip than it is from going up on 2 wheels and almost tipping over.

My '66 VW Beetle (the premium DLC one) when fully modded out with racing hards would tip over in a stiff breeze. Even lowering it all the way, adding 200kg of ballast, tweaking dampers, roll bars, and camber angles would not alleviate it, it just allowed me to take a corner a little faster before it happened. However when I stepped down to sports soft tires, it went away completely. Now I can take a corner in that car with a lot more confidence, as I know that if I go in too hard the worst that is going to happen is a bit of skidding. It comes down to what you want to happen when you push your car past it's cornering abilities, and how hard or easy it is to recover from when it happens.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

lol... wow this topic sure took a turn for the worse. Anyway...

That's the point of it. It keeps you from overdriving your car. Tipping usually occurs because you have too much grip for a very light and.or top heavy car. Basically, the high grip allows you to drive past the car's capabilities.

One option is to increase the weight of the car with ballast and lower the ride height as much as possible. But that may not FIX the problem, it may just raise the tipping threshold. It may still tip, just at a higher cornering speed.

If instead you step down to less grippy tires, it will not tip, ever. Instead, when you reach the car's cornering limit, it loses grip. And IMO it is much easier to recover from a loss of grip than it is from going up on 2 wheels and almost tipping over.

My '66 VW Beetle (the premium DLC one) when fully modded out with racing hards would tip over in a stiff breeze. Even lowering it all the way, adding 200kg of ballast, tweaking dampers, roll bars, and camber angles would not alleviate it, it just allowed me to take a corner a little faster before it happened. However when I stepped down to sports soft tires, it went away completely. Now I can take a corner in that car with a lot more confidence, as I know that if I go in too hard the worst that is going to happen is a bit of skidding. It comes down to what you want to happen when you push your car past it's cornering abilities, and how hard or easy it is to recover from when it happens.

Okay mechanic usually it's because the car can't handle the weight transition

 

[Broseph]

Okay mechanic usually it's because the car can't handle the weight transition

Yes. The car cannot handle the weight transition because it's too light and/or the center of gravity is too high.

 

[AllTerainTiger]

It wouldn't be the weight it would be your dampers and just lower the car but ill be on later today and help you tune the mini if you want.

 

[mistersafeway]

He's making a point also. Sebastian Loeb or Sebastian Vettel would not waste their time on this website advising people how to tune cars, I know. But he's pointing out that even the best people on here are willing to help others, which was something you said would not happen.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't go to all the effort to find that link (I forgot it was saved on my phone) to "try getting all smart" as he said, I was just pointing out that there are amazing drivers who will not just share settings, but also explain why they decided they were right. I'm glad someone saw that.

Besides which, I don't need to try to to be smart.

 

[dr_slump]

What a mess, but back to topic:

And it even works in GT5.

I recommend to lower the car close to min (min is sometimes too low; oh and before you start complaining because of the behaviour when driving over bumps - show me first a RSC which consistantly bottoms out, even if set to lowest), set stiff bars first and then to adjust springs. Bars seem to have a bigger impact than springs.

But honestly, don't expect too much. You'll not be able to completely solve the problem.

@OP
But however, are you using SRF?