Change gold time for Vettel Challenge?

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Should the Gold times for the Vettel Challenges be increased?


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So, looks like 93 players are wheel owners. Or uber skilled DS3 players, but i don't think so.

I want to see how much of the PD crew can beat the S.Vettel challenges with a DS3. :lol:

I goldished till now everything except the S.Vettel challenges (only bronze) & i am still testing out how to beat it with the DS3. I'll give my vote here when the testing is done.
My current settings are Active Steering: Strong, ABS: 1 & everything else: Off. Feels till now the best setup for DS3.

If someone really goldished it with the DS3, please let me know your settings. Thanks. 👍

I used these settings:

SRF: On (nooby but needed)
Everything else, including ABS off
Steering sensitivity=7
 
Apparently the curve that is really called degner can be taken without braking. Now I've accomplished goal one: finish a lap. No, not a careful lap just to get the easy bronze, rather a more reckless lap. Now that that is done, time to analyze. Btw, I really cannot seem to take the initial S curves as fast as I've seen others do... Unless they are all wheel users.
 
focus on these split times:
1st 28"5: quite hard; I lost hours to improve my times in the esses, and with a wheel never managed to flat out Degner (aldo didn't on my gold lap). If you did it, you are on the right way.
52"5: it's the simpler sector. Just have a good hairpin and a decent Spoon curve exit.
1'05"5: before esses, the chicane is the worst spot on this track. I lost more than a good lap here.

on 2nd lap things can go slightly better, say 1 second, with warmed up tires and launch.
 
I found that specificially not going flat out in Degner 1 allows you to go smoother/faster through Degner 2, during the S corners i was staying in the highest gear possible dabbing the brake to avoid understeer to come in at just under 28s at the split timer after degner 2. Hardest corner for me was Spoon, where i seemed to lose the most time until i had eventually cracked how to take it.
 



Goldished now Monza with a 2:03,809. And yea, with DS3. :dopey:👍

I could do better, had before a very nice go with a first lap of 1:03,771 and was till the last S in front of the gost, dam. And then hello gravel bed. :indiff:


I found now my perfect aid setup, at least for Monza:

Driving Line: On
Skid Recovery: On
Active Steering: Low
ABS: 10
Steering Sensitifity: 7
Everything else: Off

Now up to Nürburgring. :)
 
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28.5 after the s curves? lol!! I've got some improvement to do. 29.4 would be my best. But I'm still not taking the s curves and degner 2 correctly. I'm lost, in your sentence you mention a hairpin turn and a "spoon" I thought the spoon was the sharp U turn right after the small straight after degner 2. Apparently I had the entire course names wrong, lol. (Yeah, this is my first GT btw)
 
I gone GOLD

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My Key note of Vettel Challenage

My View in Bumper cam in 720p screen
AT, SRF on, TCS off, ABS 1, Brake Power 5/5, Active Steering Strong.
Driving Force Pro 900', , FFB Strength 1, FFB Power reduce (Select + L3 + L1)

The basic theory of X Challenge :

X2010 is HENTAI monster machine.

The Huge Down-force make some vision "this car action is Arcade like", Most corner are possible to Full Throttle.

However the Downforce and Acceleration are Huge, this make the handle-able Steering angle is very tight (total 40' in DFP or DFGTin 900'). So that, Dual shock or Six-Axis are cry on X2010 handing.

Basically, all corner in X Challenge are require 180' , If your arms not strong enough, reduce the FFB as you can.
Left Foot Brake is Basic Skill in this Challenge, apply time are under 0.25 sec
TCS is not required, thanks the HENTAI downforce solution.

the Conlusion is, the driving pattern in X Challenge are Touch brake > Turn with Full Gas.



Nurburging :

  • The First Hair-pin - Haug Haken
    At the start, Capture The 100m board, when this touch the Left Screen edge, apply brake and off throttle to assault Apex. Stay outside a little the apex to keep all wheel are touch ground, this prepare for full throttle exit.
  • Mercedes Kurve
    The first Hairpin, touch apex a while, exit with Full throttle and off track to the right side, DON'T too far the White line).

    The second Hairpin, Keep Out In Out, Capture start-edge of left side kurb, when touch the Left Screen edge, use Left Foot brake to reduce speed and turning.

    The Third Hairpin, Keep Out In Out, turn when the start-edge of Right side kurb touch the Right Screen edge, exit with Full throttle, caution the left side grass to avoid DQ
  • Valvoline and Ford kurve
    The Important point on this challenage, if you slow in there, will 1 sec increase of your lap time.

    Keep Out In Out and use Left Foot brake, DON'T step on Kurb,
  • Time sector should 26 ±0.5sec.

  • Dunlop-Kehre
    Capture the brake point : Start-edge of left side the WIDER "net-kurb", when this touch the Left side screen. Use Left Foot brake to reduce speed and turning. Keep Out In Out and Gear not under to 1st . DON'T step on Kurb

  • Audi-S
    Keep Out In Out,with Full throttle. DON'T step on Kurb

  • RTL and Bit-Kurve

    Capture The 100m board when touch the Right Screen edge, use Left Foot brake to reduce speed and Step on Kurb to assault the RTL kurve.

    The Bit-Kurve need Out In Out, using Left brake or Off throttle to adjust speed.
  • Time sector should 48 ±0.5sec.

  • NGK Schikane
    The 2nd Important point on this challenage, if you slow in there, will 1 sec increase of your lap time.

    Capture The 150m board when touch the Right Screen edge, Full brake to reduce speed and though the corners. Step on Kurb by your own risk.
  • Cola-Cola kurve

    Capture Y-edge of Pit road kurb when touch the Left Screen edge, Use Left Foot brake to reduce speed and turning
  • 2nd Time of Haug Haken and 2nd lap Time sectors

    This time Capture The 150m board.
    In 2nd lap, all Timer should 1 sec ±0.5 faster.



Monza :

  • Tips
    The Brain-less stage, please CUT all the Chicane...

Suzuka :

  • First Corner Complex

    First in is don't require any speed reduce. The Record when you feel tight, apply left foot brake, don't worry you do better or not, this corner not affect so much of you lap times.

  • Snake, Anti-Banked Curve and Dunlop Curve (Old name: S-Curve)


    Snake is Easy Left and right (the first S-curve),
    the Anti-Banked is Medium Left and right (the second S-curve).
    Dunlop is Very long easy left (the exit).

    If your first corner slow enough, you can Full throttle with Out-In-Out in Snake section

    The Anti-Banked should careful little bit, off gas a little bit while before the apex is suggested.

    Exit the Dunlop with full Throttle.

    Keep 4th gear gear to Through Snake & Anti-Banked is possible, however drop to 3rd at High-rev is Okay, because sometime assault to Dunlop may overspeed.

  • Denger

    the Easy right + K Right section

    Watch out the Easy right Kurb, This Point is very easy to DQ you. Though there with a little left foot Brake.

    At The K right, use left brake to reduce and try step on Kurb.
  • Time sector should 28 ±0.5sec.

    After timer, you exit the comfort section and enter extreme section of Suzuka challenge, Caution the hairpin is next to you.

  • Hairpin

    Apply left foot Brake there, out in out, when you feel comfort, Full gas.
    Try to keep and not under 100 Km/h (150 km/h is suggested ) and keep 2nd gear
  • Spoon

    There is Medium Left and K left complex, the MOST important corner to decide you fail or not, especially the exit of K left this possible to cost you 1 sec.

    Apply a little left foot Brake on Medium Left and Eat the Apex, the K left also. DON'T try to maintain Driving Line, this FOR SLOW CAR ONLY
    Keep your car on Tarmac is already provide Crazy Speed.

  • Time sector should 52 ±0.5sec.

  • Casio Triangle

    The 2ND important corner to decide you fail or not,
    This like the chicane in Nurburging but mirror, the brake point should capture the Suzuka gate near to touch the Visual mirror. Caution with the off track area.
 
28.5 after the s curves? lol!! I've got some improvement to do. 29.4 would be my best. But I'm still not taking the s curves and degner 2 correctly. I'm lost, in your sentence you mention a hairpin turn and a "spoon" I thought the spoon was the sharp U turn right after the small straight after degner 2. Apparently I had the entire course names wrong, lol. (Yeah, this is my first GT btw)

http://www.f1mix.com/circuits/suzuka-circuit.asp

It tooks me about 2 days just to reach that 28.5 in the first section.
 
Here are the settings I used (From the DS3 thread (Post #27)

I've done it with my DS3! Suzuka was a pain but I managed it in the end

My settings were:
Transmission: Automatic (this makes me the most n00biest player to gold it all)
Skid Recovery: On
ABS: 1
Controller Sensitivity: 7
Everything else off

My time's were:
Nurburgring: 2:07.825
Monza: 2:01.563
Suzuka: 2:09.893

:D

I use manual now, but if you don't use it its still possible :)
 
Absolutely not. They were designed to be the hardest event in the game. There are probably thousands of people who have completed it. It just needs practice. Took me a whole week of playing nothing else in gt5 to gold all three. You can't try it for a half hour, give up, and decide it is impossible.
 
I gone GOLD
Basically, all corner in X Challenge are require 180' , If your arms not strong enough, reduce the FFB as you can.
Left Foot Brake is Basic Skill in this Challenge, apply time are under 0.25 sec
TCS is not required, thanks the HENTAI downforce solution.

the Conlusion is, the driving pattern in X Challenge are Touch brake > Turn with Full Gas.
I do not agree with you...
I golded all 3 challenges with the G25 racing wheel, and never turned it no more than 90 degrees left or right. Note: In sharp corners I steered very quickly.
I tried to brake with my left foot, but it feels very unnatural to me. So I did it with my right foot.
As I braked with my right foot, I had to release trottle.
In my opinion these challenges just take a lot of practice, that's all.
Once you're in the "flow" times are coming closer and closer to gold.
You can stick to your own driving style, just like I did.
*for wheel owners this is*
 
Absolutely not. They were designed to be the hardest event in the game. There are probably thousands of people who have completed it. It just needs practice. Took me a whole week of playing nothing else in gt5 to gold all three. You can't try it for a half hour, give up, and decide it is impossible.

Oh dear, a week? lol I've trying for a month. There are limits to a person's skills you know. It's not that I feel like I reached mine; but I do believe this challenge is, indeed, impossible to the severe mayority.
 
I do not agree with you...
I golded all 3 challenges with the G25 racing wheel, and never turned it no more than 90 degrees left or right. Note: In sharp corners I steered very quickly.
I tried to brake with my left foot, but it feels very unnatural to me. So I did it with my right foot.
As I braked with my right foot, I had to release trottle.
In my opinion these challenges just take a lot of practice, that's all.
Once you're in the "flow" times are coming closer and closer to gold.
You can stick to your own driving style, just like I did.
*for wheel owners this is*

I notice my Replay a smoke maker, but this steering angle is my solution.

I don't care, I'm not a Sharp and Strong guy, I have no more room to care how to smooth turns or how quickly to apply gas and brake in One feet.

Also, my Foot penal set very centre, when I use right foot to apply heel toe like action, that will hurt my leg. hold my feet on brake already hurt enough.

(one more thing, I have mod my Foot panel as MOMO force.)
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27.9 on my wheel at the end of first sector is my record, but then I know a 2:07 is possible on a wheel ;).
 
Down to 28.7 now. Spoon and Casio at the end are killing me, along with the hairpin.

It's very good. Now focus on hairpin and Spoon. For hairpin I stopped driving.... just brake hard and turn left on the kerb, losing speed until 1st gear, just to full throttle as car turned in. Spoon is harder, because 1st high speed bend on the left you have to be very clean. Avoid to place 4 wheels on the kerb at the exit. Give a brake to force the car turning in, but you have to to it at the right time.
It's possible to do 52"5 here even with a 28"7 at 1st split.
 
It's kinda hard, but I can see that I'm not taking the spoon as good as some Vids I've seen. I've got to say. My biggest downfall with Suzuka are the S-Curves. I usually get through these curves once every 10 tries. How am I supposed to even practice the latter part of the course if I rarely get pass the S-Curves? Suzuka is an overkill.


EDIT: I have to ask though. This may be a noobish question, but I don't really care. Sometimes, when I try to brake, the brake bar barely lifts. Which means, the car doesn't brake at all. This has caused me too many DQ's already. It happened to me a lot on Nuburgring and now it's happening on Suzuka. It feels like as if the car doesn't have ABS. Why does this happen?
 
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EDIT: I have to ask though. This may be a noobish question, but I don't really care. Sometimes, when I try to brake, the brake bar barely lifts. Which means, the car doesn't brake at all. This has caused me too many DQ's already. It happened to me a lot on Nuburgring and now it's happening on Suzuka. It feels like as if the car doesn't have ABS. Why does this happen?

Brake Time in Suzuka Corner most under 0.5 sec
 
Brake Time in Suzuka Corner most under 0.5 sec

Not sure if I understand, but I literally mean that: I press brake, car doesn't brake, car understeers, DQ.

UPDATE: I just managed to bring down my first lap of Suzuka to 1:05.9xx, I know that at least I could get silver now... If only finishing two laps in a row would be easier. 2:12.3xx current best.

UPDATE2: New record time of 2:11.8XX ¬.¬. I wonder if I'll silver Suzuka first or B-Spec level 35 first. (Currently 32).

UPDATE3: Another New record time of 2.11.3. At least now I have my Normal Red Bull X2010. I think gold is now within my reach since my best first lap has gone down to 1.05.7XX with a 28.4 first split and my best second lap is around 1.04.3XX which should be around 2.10.1XX or so.

UPDATE 4: Lowered first split time to 28.3 at best. My best run is now 2.11.008 so I'm about 1 second off gold on Suzuka. Unfortunately my best time would have been better, but my wife stood in front of the TV, possibly thinking I was doing a B-spec race. It forced me to drive by muscle memory, which somehow I did but slowed my time a bit.

UPDATE 5: Barely have been able to play. Decided to do so tonight and I found myself getting a 2:10.5XX run, lol. I'm half a second away... And I had a subpar first lap at that... Maybe someday I'll be able to gold it...
 
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I seriously need help with the Casio triangle, I'm doing everything else great. I've sliced my gaming time for personal reasons, but I still come back to continue trying this challenge. I've come to a point in which I've almost caught up with Vettel by the 2nd lap degner. But I'm being very inconsistent with the casio triangle area. I just can't find any reference point for when to begin braking and when to begin turning. Also having problems with the first curves beggining the 2nd lap.
 
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I think compared to the rest of the game it's overly hard, yes.

My main gripe about it is the car itself, I don't like driving it, it makes my wheel constantly vibrate, and that's annoying as HELL.
For the same reason I don't rally too much either.
 
Oh, I know it's hard, I've been at it for over 6 months now. I'm doing good though. But I seriously need help with the casio triangle.
 
What's the Point ,The only reason any body does the Gold challenge is to be able to say .

I am faster then the Current F1 champion :D .Or atleast I'd like to think so .
 
CSLACR
I think compared to the rest of the game it's overly hard, yes.

My main gripe about it is the car itself, I don't like driving it, it makes my wheel constantly vibrate, and that's annoying as HELL.
For the same reason I don't rally too much either.

You can fix this by unplugging the power cord from the wheel side (not the wall) once you're past the GT Life screen. There are also some tunes that reduce the wobble as well if you want to use FFB. Worked on mine (DFGT). Good luck.
 

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