Change gold time for Vettel Challenge?

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Should the Gold times for the Vettel Challenges be increased?

  • Yes, increase them all a lot like they did with Bronze.

    Votes: 207 50.4%

  • Yes, increase them to the Silver Time.

    Votes: 60 14.6%

  • No, it's easy enough.

    Votes: 107 26.0%

  • Who cares? I havn't tried it and won't it's too hard.

    Votes: 37 9.0%
  • Total voters
    411
gakujin
@ zalde, as I said to bigbazz, prove to me that over 10% of ds3 users can do it and I tell you that many have golded it. But the poll and most comments here says otherwise. Don't think I'm only speaking for myself here. I'm speaking for all those who are afraid to speak up on the matter. The poll clearly states that I'm not the only one that believes this. In fact, there are a lot of people here that want a stronger increase of time. Let me tell you though, I'm glad I'm getting a real and serious comment from you rather than the completely elitistic comment bigbazz just spewed out. You guys have to understand one thing, not everyone has natural skills. What difference does it make if they change gold times for 1 second. In the end you still had a better lap-time than myself. If I ever do gold this challenge, I'll still be in favor of gold times being changed. As you can tell by bigbazz's comment, appealing to just a 10-20% community will not make you popular as a software developing team. I do, however, have a question, does the X1 you get for silvering have the custom transmission enabled? Cause I know I can get silver without too much hassle.

BTW @ Zalde and Bigbazz, let's just agree to disagree. We are not really going to make any progress by diferring anymore.
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Elitistic comment? hmm.


There is no way to prove that 10%-20% of the community has achieved gold, in the same way the poll in this thread is not valid because it is biased to attract those who would vote in favour. But as i said, many many people (and many in this thread) have said they have completed the challenge with a DS3.

Not everyone has natural skills, then im sorry but if they do not have the skills needed to complete the challenge then they should move on, if everybody was able to complete the challenge then it would not be a challenge. This challenge is not for everybody.


And to say this type of development will not make you popular. Lets take the most popular/played game in the world, from the biggest developer/publisher. The World of Warcraft. Blizzard is a company that has always created content for both the lesser and more skilled players in WoW. The higher skilled challenging content is far far out of the reach of the average player, and it takes the best players in the world weeks or months to complete it. For many/most people they will not defeat this content until the next expansion is released, or never. (equivlant to PD releasing GT6 then making GT5 content easy). This is a game model that works, providing content for all.

If you take away the challenging content then the higher skilled or more determined players will have nothing. The whole rest of the game is available for you.
 
This is supposed to be the hardest challenge in the game, and I think in every game there should be one, that only the best can beat.

What I think is, if you are among the top 10%, you are familiar with the game; if you are among the top 5%, you are pretty advanced; and to be the best you have to be among the top 1% or even 0.5%, and that's where I think this challenge should sit.
 
@ Gakujin - Asking for proof is an easy way to duck and cover mate. There is no way for me to prove what you're asking, I'm simply saying that I've read posts from a fair amount of people across different forums, stating they golded this challenge using a DS3.

The poll in this thread does absolutely nothing for me, it only shows some people would like a Prototype handed out to them. You're saying that the only real challenge in the game needs to be avoided in favor of the players who feel they are entitled to a reward they didn't work hard for. What difference does that make? a huge one.

I agree to disagree. 👍

P.S - to answer your question, silver nets you a colored X2010 and you can fully customize the transmission.
 
Actually, now that I think deeply about your comments, I can't say I disagree completely with what you say. But still I do need to express why this all botheres me: Ok, so I dont have gold yet. But man, I've been at it for weeks and I feel that I am not being rewarded for my hard work. The difference between your hard work and mine, is that by .1 second, I can't get gold on Nürburgring >.>. That is painful.
 
This reminds me of the last coffee break in the Super License test in GT4. Everyone said you HAD to do it with a ds2, only a few people could do it with a wheel. Some things PD isn't willing to compromise and this is one of them (Mission 34 anyone?).

GT5 is an elite driving game whose main audience uses/prefers and is willing to spend $100 on a wheel. So I say, play the game the way it was meant to be played and buy a wheel, stop complaining and get to work 👍

Jerome
 
A wheel is out of my budget. They are more expensive in Puerto Rico and the few I've seen on eBay at a good price wont ship here.

But I don't believe most users use a wheel though.

P.S. I did not pay for GT5 either, it was a gift.
 
gakujin
The difference between your hard work and mine, is that by .1 second, I can't get gold on Nürburgring >.>. That is painful.
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How are your split times / best 1st and 2nd laps?
 
This is getting out of hand.

Just change the goddarn times.

Better off make a timer only available to DS3 users. but hear this. - (No Carbon X1) only gold. The original challenge time will still be available to but you will have to find some way to beat it.

some tips for golding on Nurb on DS3. - in the chicane at the last part try ramming as fast as you can into the polypony blocks. once thats done you might get a 1.04.700.but then the second lap will be easy just at that point in the chicane do the same thing (somthing similar to monza) rare - 1.02.400 normal 1.03.000

in monza well you already know.. the cheat.


in suska. try to follow at the last chicane (again) going to the right and follow the little path that looks like a street not fast but a bit. - this is rare most likely you will get DQs. but if done correctly it will work.

how do i know this i got golds with DS3s
and retryed it with the DFGT and made much better.
 
Apollo87
For some time, games have been mostly about time spent, you can get the same things as other more skilled gamers it just will take you some more play time, and then there comes a game that actually tests skill and people whine as if it were the end of the world.

You're not being denied content since it has been gotten by people in the same conditions as you so it's possible, and you can get the X2010 either way, be it by lvling to 35, getting bronze on the challenges or actually buying one from the dealership, if you don't like S.Vettel's colors you're more than welcome to save 20mill and purchasing one of a different color.
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I just got my head around this. I don't have an X2010 yet (time constraints) but I will be GIVEN one at lev 35? And I can buy one? What is the problem here?

I never wanted the times changed. Now I see it isn't necessary to get gold on the Vettel challenge to get the car!

You don't miss any content at all then by failing gold.

A different color car or a gold trophy isn't "content," sorry people.
 
Duck
How are your split times / best 1st and 2nd laps?
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To be honest, that 1
2:08.1xx was due to the fact I had a bad 1:04.5xx lap. I decided to continue anyways just to get some practice and got a 1:03.5xx >.> which sumed up to 2:08.1xx. I wanted to throw the ds3 out the window.

My best split times:
1st lap: 1:03.9xx
2nd lap: 1:03.5xx

(wish they'd happened together, lol)
 
If they do change the Gold times, they should rename the whole fiasco as "Sebastian Vettel X Wejustfacepalmedthosewhogoldeditthehardway Challenge"

*Puts on flameshield*
 
lol I think I'm going to take a break. I think that I was about to gold Nurburgring when I got nervous and went and got DQ'ed lol >.>
 
This event is hard but not imposible. Just takes alot of determenation remember this is the only event that you are realy chalenged in gt5. I hope they do not change it and people need to man up and practice. Thats the only way it will be done. I am just happy the for Nurburgring they choose the Gp track and not the 24 hour one, cus thats so norow and realy high curves that do not give.
 
I can't seem to have two great laps. It's either a 1:04.0 first lap with a bad or vice versa x.x... When do you recommend my quitting? At 120 hours of trying?
 
As my hand injury is now healed I got back to this for the first time since controller sensitivity was available. Closing in on all golds and my take on this challenge is unchanged.

When I golded my first Vettel at Monza did I feel any 'GT' sense of achievement like I did in Grand Tour Alfa, IC-10, or AMG Intermediate full lap ? No, I did not. Vettel is what it is; arcadey/glitzy hype from Kaz.

So should the times be made easier ? The oft quoted 'there are so few challenges in GT5...' is in my view absolute garbage because Vettel is not Gran Turismo. I am in two thoughts;

1. As almost all of 'GT5 - the GT pokeman edition' is/has been so dumbed down, why have a challenge so out of step with the rest of the game ? I mean; when you get fed up grinding for credits and XP, collecting cars, paints and cards the races have become just a sideshow - short and poorly thought out.

2. But if you leave it as it is a lot fewer people will complete the game; get platinum and the all gold trophies, and would it not be ironic that some traditional hardcore GT gamers who can do almost everything PD has thrown at them over the years miss completing GT5, with the easiest GT races and licences, because of an arcadey/glitch/futuristic/unreal challenge ?

Ultimately I do not think I care, and that is coming from a long time GT fan.
 
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The concept is - if you can overtake S.Vettel.
If you can't - bronze.
If you drive as fast as him - silver.
If you overtake him - gold.
No point in changing the times, besides - it's not impossible, people have golded it with a controller, you have sensitivity option, what more do you want?
If you can't overtake Vettel you don't deserve gold, simple as that.
You can now continue crying as much as you want, but it's not going to change anything.
 
I didn't read any old post in this thread, here is my feeling

Today I would like to challenge the Gold Time at Nurburgring
After few Run, I decide to watch the example and learn how to drive faster.

But I did found the example demo run are 1:04"733 + 1:04:853 = 2:09"586!

The Gold standard require you running under 2:08"000, and the Sliver is 2:09"500,

These example run OVER the Sliver standard more 0.086 sec! 👎

2:09"586 in the Nurburgring Challenage THIS IS JUST A BRONZE STANDARD! 👎

If the Demo run is presented by Vettel , Why REQUIRE US STRONGER than the REAL Formula 1 WORLD CHAMPION? :scared:

HE ALSO COULDN'T ACHIEVE 2:08"000 record TOO!

I define this one is a game design error, :grumpy:


In GT5 I feel same feeling in other Special events.

Which is Grand Tour - Rally Stage

In Sébastien Loeb Rally Challenge, same stage Gold standard requirement is not differcult than Grand Tour one. And we should notice, the Sébastien Loeb Rally Challenge require you are A-spec Lv.16 to entry, does not like Grand Tour just Lv.13!
 
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Yev
The concept is - if you can overtake S.Vettel.
If you can't - bronze.
If you drive as fast as him - silver.
If you overtake him - gold.
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Not sure that is true, I got gold at Monza and came second (only just mind you).
 
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Yev
The concept is - if you can overtake S.Vettel.
If you can't - bronze.
If you drive as fast as him - silver.
If you overtake him - gold.
No point in changing the times, besides - it's not impossible, people have golded it with a controller, you have sensitivity option, what more do you want?
If you can't overtake Vettel you don't deserve gold, simple as that.
You can now continue crying as much as you want, but it's not going to change anything.
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I Get a Gold record in Monza, But I didn't overtake Vettel's Ghost :)

So your concept is wrong :)
 
Couple of things here people. I might have a single digit post count, because I only just signed up here after ages of lurking, but I've been around since GT2.

All those people claiming to have done it with the DS3 - how many of you did it WITHOUT cutting chicanes or exploiting other deficiencies in the DQ-algorithm? What I don't really like is those people, who - by whatever means - made it and then look down upon people, who have a legitimate complaint.

That is not to mean that the license tests and "special events" (aka as cheap content bloat at the expense of more useful and challenging A-spec races) are impossible, but they are grossly unbalanced. For the umpteenth time, I find myself comparing GT5 to GT2.

I'm by no means a good driver, I don't have enough time to put in the required practice for that, but yet I have a lot of golded licenses, many in the first or second try, meaning they are ridiculously easy and to make it even more ridiculous, 8 of them are S licenses, which should be the crown jewel of the license tests.
The whole thing is a rush job and the times are the result of a decision process that either included dice or a random number generator. Proof of that is the fact that many example videos for the licenses are missing the gold time by more than half a second. They didn't even check if there gold times are realistic.

In GT2 each and every license had a demo replay with an actual goldworthy time, so one could learn from it. The really "L33t driverz", those with natural talent, whizzed through them in several days. Did that diminish their effort? No, because they achieved times that were mindboggling for the not-quite-so-talented drivers, who scraped below the gold-time by 0.009 in the 400th attempt.

In GT5 you can't learn from the demo replays, because many of them're bogus and nowhere near the optimum line needed to gold it. How's one supposed to learn from it? Many licenses (and "special events" are useless lotteries or complete robot exercises (or however that's spelled). Example:

That's how I golded A-1 (brake test with the 'pretty titty')

run-up, brake at 150 kph -> Silver
run-up, brake at 148 kph -> sack-hairs width too short
run-up, brake at 149 kph -> Gold (can't be that easy me thinks)
run-up, brake at 149 kph -> Gold
run-up, brake at 149 kph -> Gold

really challenging 👎

The difference is that some GT5 challenges can only be beaten by a select few drivers, who either don't have a job and can sink 8 hours into it everyday or by people with either lots of natural talent or hideously expensive equipment (or both), simply because some gold times are just ridiculous.
In GT2 the golds could be achieved by either talent (read: relatively quickly) or by sheer determination. GT2 is the only GT title in which I golded all licenses and it took me about 14 months. The "easier" ones took 200-300 attempts, the "really hard" ones, like the infernal cone slaloms took north of 5.000 attempts. I actually golded S-10 (the one with the Toyota GT-1) exactly one day before GT3 was released, which is why I remember it so well.

Some may say that I'm clinically insane to put myself through such a grind, but I became a way better driver in the process. I'm pretty sure that even that sort of effort would never get me 60 license golds in GT5, simply because some gold times are unrealistic and I can't learn from the replays as they don't show a gold time.

So in essence I think several license and challenge times have to be changed. Some need to be lowered to actually make getting a gold remotely challenging and others have to be upped a bit to make it realistic for people, who don't have S. Vettel written on their name tag.

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No, this was the only challenge that was hard..

Gt5 got too mainstream with challenges and A-spec which were far too easy. Changing this challenge to easier times would make the game a complete farce...

Not everyone has to be able to gold everything.. A game needs to be a challenge..
 
dschoene
Some may say that I'm clinically insane to put myself through such a grind, but I became a way better driver in the process. I'm pretty sure that even that sort of effort would never get me 60 license golds in GT5, simply because some gold times are unrealistic and I can't learn from the replays as they don't show a gold time.
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With youtube and the internet it isn't really a relevant complaint anymore, in fact you now have many more options to tackle a problem

as for the imbalance it is more a problem with the inconsistency compare to level of license, however I do think the hardest challenge are set just right
 
Technically I am not to talk, since I'm .1 away from golding Nuburgring I can't say it's impossible, but I still believe it does leave out the greater part of the DS3 community. I am starting not to care much anymore. Eventually if I try and try and try, at some given point I'll gold Nurburgring and move on to Suzuka. The only thing keeping me from golding Nurburgring is the fact that two good laps have not happened together yet.
 
I hate the X1. It's a twitch, ill handling piece of crap. I hate the Vettel Challenge. What an aweful thing to put into the game. Could it be any less fun. And I hate Suzuka.:grumpy:
 
Gaiajohan
No, this was the only challenge that was hard..

Gt5 got too mainstream with challenges and A-spec which were far too easy. Changing this challenge to easier times would make the game a complete farce...

Not everyone has to be able to gold everything.. A game needs to be a challenge..
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The game is a complete farce and the Vettel event actually reinforces the farce.

Sure a game needs a challenge, but the challenge needs to be relevant to the game, GT4 had Mission 34 - very difficult but a GT challenge. The Vettel event is out of place in GT5.
 
FINALLY!! Golded Nurburgring... Suzuka is next. At least I have an endurance race in which I can practice Suzuka. Unfortunately due to my excessive screaming and jumping I forgot to save the replay, lol.
 
StevenDunn99
The game is a complete farce and the Vettel event actually reinforces the farce.

Sure a game needs a challenge, but the challenge needs to be relevant to the game, GT4 had Mission 34 - very difficult but a GT challenge. The Vettel event is out of place in GT5.
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I don't get you. Car/Racing game.


Car + track + time trial, how is that out of place?
 

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