Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Vs. Nissan Skyline R34 GTR

[McLaren]

Yeah, I think it was 1 of the 1st NSX-R models.

 

[a6m5]

See, FAOLIU05 - it's not just me. Everyone here can see right through your "statistics" down to the core issue.

The other thread, in case anyone's bothered.

And in that thread, he's telling everyone how he won the argument in this thread, because I keep going back to the MSRP? FAOLIU05 has made it pretty clear that Skyline GT-R sucks, because it doesn't perform as an $90,000(U.S.) sports car should. Well, it's more like an $46,000 sports car, and it's MSRP is very close to the normal/stock Corvettes.

Here's another interesting comparo, "FAOLIU05 Style":

In Japan, it would be the $45,951 Skyline GT-R vs. the $64,148 Stock Corvette. Vette cost over $18,000 more than GT-Rs. I don't think this is a fair way to compare these two cars, but that is the formula he uses.

 

[pegaso650]

1/4 Mile Times:
2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 12.5 seconds
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi - 13.2 seconds
2000 BMW M3 - 13.2 seconds
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII MR - 13.4 seconds
2003 Audi S4 - 13.6 seconds
1997 Toyota Supra - 13.6 seconds
1999 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR - 13.7 seconds

i have a clip of a gtr vs 911 turbo on 1/4mile and the gtr does it in 13.031 seconds
i tried to post it on here but is too big (about 4mb)

The 7'59 was with the speed limiter removed, the 8'20+ times where with the factory 180kph (111mph) speed limiters, thats what robs all the time on fast tracks like Nurburgring.

Can you imagine how much time you lose sitting on the back long straight stuck at 111mph!

do all japanese cars sold in japan have that speed limiter?

 

[Revheadnz]

Yea, I'm pretty sure that they all do. Doesn't take much to bypass it thought, if you're planning on taking it onto a track.
In High Octane 3, in the track battle a stock R34 GTR on the qualifying lap hit the limiter 3 times in a single lap! It was a short, twisting circuit too, only one straight-away.

 

[Razorback]

Skylines are beautiful. End of.

Z06's are not. They look horrendous. Just like most "'vettes".

I dont give a 🤬 how fast they are in a straight line.

Just give me a 400R any day................

 

[Apclps]

Eh the First imported R34 GT-R I found on autotrader cost around £27,000 and there were a few around the 27/30k price mark.

Wow, the first lot of C5 Vettes I found started at £16,000. The First Z06 I found cost £24,000.

I don't think you should be looking at second hand values. Especially if they are worryingly low. We're talking about performance cars that have probably taken a beating. And don't forget that a nissan will probably hold its value better than a corvette.

 

[Jay]

do all japanese cars sold in japan have that speed limiter?

Yeah, and as Revheadnz said its not hard to hit it when racing or your just putting your foot down.

Easiest way to bypass it on my Skyline is cut one wire that goes to the ECU (wire No.53) but this also causes the Hicas (4WS) to play up, otherwise I can put a electronic piggyback to manipulate the ECU that also shuts it off, or just buy a aftermarket ECU.

 

[Famine]

And in that thread, he's telling everyone how he won the argument in this thread, because I keep going back to the MSRP? FAOLIU05 has made it pretty clear that Skyline GT-R sucks, because it doesn't perform as an $90,000(U.S.) sports car should. Well, it's more like an $46,000 sports car, and it's MSRP is very close to the normal/stock Corvettes.

Here's another interesting comparo, "FAOLIU05 Style":

In Japan, it would be the $45,951 Skyline GT-R vs. the $64,148 Stock Corvette. Vette cost over $18,000 more than GT-Rs. I don't think this is a fair way to compare these two cars, but that is the formula he uses.

As I said in the other thread, I can't wait until he tries to compare the Porsche Cayenne to the Corvette Z06. After all, they're the same price so they're in the same class, regardless of other factors...

 

[Race Idiot]

I don't think you should be looking at second hand values. Especially if they are worryingly low. We're talking about performance cars that have probably taken a beating. And don't forget that a nissan will probably hold its value better than a corvette.

Well neither cars are available new, so I thought i'd take a look and guage an average price.

The Imported Skylines I chose were all unmodded fresh imports with fairly low mileage. I disregarded anything with modds and It seemed that they were around the £27/28K mark.

Also the C5 Vettes I saw, initially were cheaper and as a whole I was expecting them to be more expensive than the Skylines, due to the fact that Vettes are allot rarer than Skylines here as a whole.

Although the comparison between the two cars is a bit of a moot(moof lol) point anyway.

 

[svtsnake]

I have a corvette beater for you.

The evo fq400. Faster 0-60 time than your z06 faster 1-4mile than your z06 and about the same prize as your z06 except that the evo will hold its value better. The evo also has alot of a faster nurburing time and so in every way its better than your z06. So much for your corvette being the greatest. Good in a straight line but a pig around corners.

American cars compared to european cars is like comparing mobile fones of the 80s to the ones we have 2day. Big brashy with big engine/battery and only good for making calls/going fast in straight line.

http://www.fast-autos.net/mitsubishi/mitsubishifq400.html
vs
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/chevroletc6z06.html
0-60 = evo
1/4 mile = z06
top speed = z06
gas mileage = z06
handling = z06
price = z06

so much for evo being a corvette beater, next time try comparing cars within price range, not 85k vs 66k.

faster time at the nurb? 7:56 was achieved by a C5 Corvette z06, and the same time (not exact same) was also achieved by a C6 Corvette (both cars have about the same power). & both have around the same hp/tq and weight is close with the c5 z06 weighing in at a "pig weight" of 3118lbs (127 lighter than the c6 Corvette).
europe may have better/faster cars, but you are comparing 3 countries vs 1.

 

[Joey D]

Gah once again another thread with people thinking American cars haven't changed since the 1970's. The Corvette Z06 is a great car, and I would think it's better then a Skyline. Skylines are a very over rated car, they are good but they aren't the best thing. I know I will get flamed all over for saying that, but I really don't care. I'm sick of always listening to you fan boys thinking Skylines are better then God.

The Z06 is very good around a track, sure they aren't the best car but I would take one. Plus the C6 Z06 is one of the best values cars on the market today as far as horsepower is concerned.

You want something that will beat a Vette? The Viper is right up there, it would be a close race but the Viper has better accleration if I'm not mistaken.

But I'm pretty sick of everyone around here bashing American cars and loving Skylines.

 

[Drifting Thunda]

Agreed. I saw a 9 second road course Skyline R34 in person at the Tire Rack. It was pretty kick-ass seeing one in person finally and this one was more or less nothing in common with a stock GT-R. Even so, it's not even close to being the best car out there or even from Japan. The Skyline is in fact highly over-rated. I would prefer the C6 Z06 over a GT-R any day with or without American bias.

The C6 Z06 has some badass brakes and tires with IRS setup to route it's massive horsepower through the turns. It's not a joke in road courses and it holds its own in drag obviously, what with the biggest production small block V8 ever and all. 427 cubes of death to the GT-R.

 

[I6-4-eva]

Agreed. I saw a 9 second road course Skyline R34 in person at the Tire Rack. It was pretty kick-ass seeing one in person finally and this one was more or less nothing in common with a stock GT-R. Even so, it's not even close to being the best car out there or even from Japan. The Skyline is in fact highly over-rated. I would prefer the C6 Z06 over a GT-R any day with or without American bias.

The C6 Z06 has some badass brakes and tires with IRS setup to route it's massive horsepower through the turns. It's not a joke in road courses and it holds its own in drag obviously, what with the biggest production small block V8 ever and all. 427 cubes of death to the GT-R.

How is the skyline highly over-rated? Is it because people like the car so much but can never get one?

eh I'll take both don't really care which one is faster.

 

[Joey D]

How are they over rated? Because for some reason or another people get this impression that they are the best thing since sliced bread. Most Skylines are considered family cars in other countries, sure they have the GT-R's which are sports cars. But when it comes to fast family car I'll take a Beamer.

 

[a6m5]

I've been defending the Skyline GT-Rs in this thread, but I think they are bit overrated as well. In Skyline and Nissan's defense though, there is a reason for the hype. It's not like I can convince some of the "haters" in this thread, but to most of us, Skylines are very special cars with very special tradition.

P.S. I also think Corvettes(even the regular ones) are awesome cars. I really don't understand why there are so many critics and negativeness on either sides. Corvettes and Skylines are really great in their own ways, IMO.

 

[Joey D]

Maybe I'm missing it, what makes a Skyline so much different then other cars like it. Hell an Audi S4 is pretty close to a Skyline type of car. I just want to know what makes it so great. It's a turboed 6 cylinder with AWD. What am I missing?

 

[a6m5]

Maybe I'm missing it, what makes a Skyline so much different then other cars like it. Hell an Audi S4 is pretty close to a Skyline type of car. I just want to know what makes it so great. It's a turboed 6 cylinder with AWD. What am I missing?

To me, it's been around forever. I've seen some older Skylines, you guys will never see. I've ridden in 70's GT-Rs. What you're asking is like, "What's so special about Corvettes", or Mustang, M3, etc. There are some special cars, Skylines definitely one of them. Great sports car, with rich history.

P.S. We should really get back to the game on TV? They are tied-up, 25-25.

 

[Joey D]

Trust me the game is on no more the 8 feet away on my TV .

But the reason the corvette is so special is because it was pretty much the defining sports car for America. I'm sure the Skyline has been around a long time...late 50's? Also it's been standing up against GM's crap lately which in it's own right is pretty good. God I hate it when I bash the place that pays the bills.

As for the Mustang, original pony car. And the M3, nothing special just another beamer if you ask me. But then again I've never understood the fasination with that car either.

But hey you could always get the Skyline of trucks...GMC Sy/Ty. You have 270hp turboed V6 with AWD.

 

[Emohawk]

Maybe I'm missing it, what makes a Skyline so much different then other cars like it. Hell an Audi S4 is pretty close to a Skyline type of car. I just want to know what makes it so great. It's a turboed 6 cylinder with AWD. What am I missing?

And a Corvette is a big rear wheel drive V8, what's so special about that? Neither sounds very impressive if you look at them so simply.
They're fast stock, easily and cheaply or expensivly modifiable, have terrific racing histories, and still make good daily drivers.

 

[a6m5]

But hey you could always get the Skyline of trucks...GMC Sy/Ty. You have 270hp turboed V6 with AWD.

You did not just say(type) that!!!! What are you, M5? I'll stop here. I don't want M5 coming after me with face like this:

P.S. My TV is right next to me also!

Edit:

And a Corvette is a big rear wheel drive V8, what's so special about that? Neither sounds very impressive if you look at them so simply.
They're fast stock, easily and cheaply or expensivly modifiable, have terrific racing histories, and still make good daily drivers.

That's exactly what I was thinking, but first, think about the truck Blazin drives. Then where he lives and who he works for. I can't blame him for his bias.

 

[rollazn]

Maybe I'm missing it, what makes a Skyline so much different then other cars like it. Hell an Audi S4 is pretty close to a Skyline type of car. I just want to know what makes it so great. It's a turboed 6 cylinder with AWD. What am I missing?

The engine is a work of art to many. I believe it’s one of the easiest tuning engines ever. The engine is known to be able to take a lot of modification including around 700 on stock bearing (at least from what I heard). The RB26DETT is known to be able to handle a lot of power. The Skyline GTRs and the Toyota Supras are known for being great and easy to tune. With a few cheap modifications both the Skyline and Supra can get over 400hp easily. The Supra with BPU upgrades, and I believe with the GTR you can change a chip or do something along that line and you will have around 380hp. SkylineGTR_guy can probably explain this further and more in detail than me. But I do have a question can the S4 engine be tuned to this extreme intensity?

At the time the R32 was introduce – it had one of the best AWD system till this day (in my opinion). It is even being used in the current G35x. The Attesa-ETS AWD system is a very advance system. When it detects slip – the system electronically distributes torque from the spinning wheel to one without slip. It can distribute up to 50% of the torque to the front wheels, and it can be adjusted from 0:100 to 50:50.

Plus it's dead sexy.

 

[McLaren]

The engine is a work of art to many. I believe it’s one of the easiest tuning engines ever. The engine is known to be able to take a lot of modification including around 700 on stock bearing (at least from what I heard). The RB26DETT is known to be able to handle a lot of power. The Skyline GTRs and the Toyota Supras are known for being great and easy to tune. With a few cheap modifications both the Skyline and Supra can get over 400hp easily. The Supra with BPU upgrades, and I believe with the GTR you can change a chip or do something along that line and you will have around 380hp. SkylineGTR_guy can probably explain this further and more in detail than me. But I do have a question can the S4 engine be tuned to this extreme intensity?

At the time the R32 was introduce – it had one of the best AWD system till this day (in my opinion). It is even being used in the current G35x. The Attesa-ETS AWD system is a very advance system. When it detects slip – the system electronically distributes torque from the spinning wheel to one without slip. It can distribute up to 50% of the torque to the front wheels, and it can be adjusted from 0:100 to 50:50.

Plus it's dead sexy.

I think you put enough detail rollazn.
I like the Skyline, but I think alot of hype came with that d*mn movie.
I personally, love the R32 more than the hyped up R34.

 

[rollazn]

I think you put enough detail rollazn.
I like the Skyline, but I think alot of hype came with that d*mn movie.
I personally, love the R32 more than the hyped up R34.

Enough in detail?! HA-HA!!

SkylineGTR_guy can give a 5 hour oral speech about these Skylines.

To tell you the truth - the first time I really got into cars was because of the Skyline GTR R32 from Initial D. Don't laugh - but when I saw that black R32 - I was drawn to it. I looked it up and found out about the R34. Then the rest is history.

Skyline GTR = my first love (cars wise).

 

[a6m5]

But I do have a question can the S4 engine be tuned to this extreme intensity?

Any Audi engines have trouble handling stock output. I'm kidding!

 

[rollazn]

Any Audi engines have trouble handling stock output. I'm kidding!

You better run - when a real Audi enthusis come - you're in big trouble.

 

[I6-4-eva]

To tell you the truth - the first time I really got into cars was because of the Skyline GTR R32 from Initial D. Don't laugh - but when I saw that black R32 - I was drawn to it. I looked it up and found out about the R34. Then the rest is history.

Haha! I got into cars from reading SCC and looking at souped up Hondas way back in the day. I was like damn how come these little japanese cars look so sweet? I didn't start to notice Mitsubishi,Subaru and the Skyline until Gran Turismo came along.

 

[Jay]

I actually never liked Skylines much and I hated the idea of it owning the V8's at bathurst in the early 90's.

I was only a V8 man/kid intill I got rides in Skylines and other turbo cars.....I was pleasantly suprised. So now I am a big fan of both and bought a 71 Monaro GTS (which im restoring) and a R33 Skyline, I appreciate all car types and I really like the Z06.

What I really dont like is what movies like 2f2f that turned the Skyline into a fanboys car which pisses off V8 fanboys and we have these rival wars.

 

[RR]

http://www.fast-autos.net/mitsubishi/mitsubishifq400.html
vs
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/chevroletc6z06.html
0-60 = evo
1/4 mile = z06
top speed = z06
gas mileage = z06
handling = z06
price = z06

so much for evo being a corvette beater, next time try comparing cars within price range, not 85k vs 66k.

faster time at the nurb? 7:56 was achieved by a C5 Corvette z06, and the same time (not exact same) was also achieved by a C6 Corvette (both cars have about the same power). & both have around the same hp/tq and weight is close with the c5 z06 weighing in at a "pig weight" of 3118lbs (127 lighter than the c6 Corvette).
europe may have better/faster cars, but you are comparing 3 countries vs 1.

What are you talking about comparing 3 countries against one.This is not world war 3. Were talking about who makes better cars. See for americans its not about which car is better its a battle of nations. Europe cars are generally better and it doesnt matter if they are from 3 different countries. A car is a car.

0-60 = evo
1/4 mile = evo (Dont know where that website got it figures from)
top speed = z06
gas mileage = z06 (who cares?????????????)
handling = Evo (It keeps up with the murcelago)
price = Depends on which country you are in
Nurburing lap time = Evo 8 FQ400

So much for the evo not being a z06 beater. Next time do your research from the view of a country that both cars are avilable in.

 

[RR]

Trust me the game is on no more the 8 feet away on my TV .

But the reason the corvette is so special is because it was pretty much the defining sports car for America. I'm sure the Skyline has been around a long time...late 50's? Also it's been standing up against GM's crap lately which in it's own right is pretty good. God I hate it when I bash the place that pays the bills.

As for the Mustang, original pony car. And the M3, nothing special just another beamer if you ask me. But then again I've never understood the fasination with that car either.

But hey you could always get the Skyline of trucks...GMC Sy/Ty. You have 270hp turboed V6 with AWD.

M3 IS SPECIAL DUE TO ITS HANDLING. Everyone absolotely adores the handling thats why its special. Same with the skyline people love the way they handle. They are not extremely fast but its alot more fun to go round corners quickly than rocketing forward in a straight line for a couple of seconds.

 

[RR]

Any Audi engines have trouble handling stock output. I'm kidding!

Retard alert. M5 engine winnig awards. Audi RS4 engine winning awards. Audi S4s can easily handle up to 700hp if done correctly just how you can get extreme power out of evos etc. Audi have always been pioneers of technology and have a history to prove it wilst americans were busy with the genocide of the native americans.