Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) under appreciated in GT5?

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MEATHOLE1958
Real drivers know paddle shifting is a crutch (or "cheat") for poor driving ability, must be why they use them in F1, theres me thinking they allow you to keep your hands on the wheel. These big USA cars are industrial and primitive, as long as Americans think paddle shiftings a cheat they will remain old fashioned cars. Good fun and fast in the game though and thats all that matters to me.
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So F1 rules dictate the motoring world?
What do you mean "big"? The GT-R weighs close to 500 lbs more than the ZR-1.
Paddle shifters are automatic transmissions, and since when do we race automatics? I can hold any random AT car in gear, the only difference is the paddle shift cars will always hold gear and shift when you push the button. A reprogram of my cars ECU would achieve exactly the same thing, it just can't shift as quickly.
And it's not just Americans, many Americans love paddle shifters, hell if I couldn't drive a manual I'd want a super automatic too.
But then I guess stereotypes of Americans have become "cool" whereas stereotypes of other ethnicity's are considered horribly wrong.


DEATHSARTHE
Get off your high horse, I don't expect anything from anyone. You're probably the type of person that doesn't notice the difference between WHITE and OFF WHITE. White is white, amirite? 👎
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High horse? Followed by a pretentious assumption of my tastes?
I'm the "type of person" that doesn't say I "LOVE" off-white and "HATE" white. That's called pretentious.

Where are my ZR1 enthusiasts?
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Right here's one. I don't think it's the best car ever, just an awesome car.
I personally don't drive it much in GT5 because there are better/faster cars for the same power/weight/pp levels, and typically I don't race online, which leaves the AI, and there's nothing in GT that really allows use of a non-RM ZR-1, without getting beaten badly or winning by miles.:grumpy:
 
Dude, paddle shift gearboxes are either automatic or an automated manual (automatic gearboxes use torque converters, manuals use clutches), no solely an automatic...
 
MitchZ06
Dude, paddle shift gearboxes are either automatic or an automated manual (automatic gearboxes use torque converters, manuals use clutches), no solely an automatic...
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Flappy paddles are a lot closer to a manual gearbox than an automatic, as you mention they dont use torque converters etc. When you pull the paddle the car still has to use the clutch and engage a new gear, it just does it very quick.
 
RobGT81
Flappy paddles are a lot closer to a manual gearbox than an automatic, as you mention they dont use torque converters etc. When you pull the paddle the car still has to use the clutch and engage a new gear, it just does it very quick.
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Ahem...
the car still has to use the clutch and engage a new gear
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How is that not the exact definition of "automatic"?
It's a new type of automatic, not my opinion, a fact. The car shifts for you. It's an automatic requiring manual input to tell it when to shift for you.
 
I think if it wasn't an American who started the thread it wouldn't have gone this negative :D

I'll give the car a 2nd chance now though.:)
 
Yeah, in a normal manual the car shifts for you. How you might ask? you depress the clutch pedal and the car disengages the clutch for you. Please, lets not get into semantics here.

By definition an automatic differs from a manual because it has no clutch, it uses a torque converter to disengage the engine from the trans to shift. Paddles or not it's an auto, fact.

Manuals, whether they be fully manual or semi-auto have a clutch and either require operator input to change gears or have a computer activate the manual system.
 
Bwlian
I think if it wasn't an American who started the thread it wouldn't have gone this negative :D

I'll give the car a 2nd chance now though.:)
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Ah I dont care. Theyre bickering is amusing. They want to debate and talk about irrelevant subjects. Lets debate this ladies, the Ford GT is the best car on the planet!
 
CSLACR
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How is that not the exact definition of "automatic"?
It's a new type of automatic, not my opinion, a fact. The car shifts for you. It's an automatic requiring manual input to tell it when to shift for you.
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Yes manual input is required to tell the gearbox when to change, so its manual...not automatic...see how that works?
 
ADR_XCLUTCH
Ah I dont care. Theyre bickering is amusing. They want to debate and talk about irrelevant subjects. Lets debate this ladies, the Ford GT is the best car on the planet!
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Not quite, GT40 is possibly the best car on the planet :)
 
And by 'enthusiasts' I mean people that favor the ZR1 over every other car. Its funny, there are more 'enthusiasts' on Midnight Club LA than GT5. I wish those people bought GT5 then this thread wouldn't exist.
 
ADR_XCLUTCH
Where are my ZR1 enthusiasts?
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I am , love to drive my Hennessey tuned ZR1, absolutly prefer it to Lambo's, Audi's, Ferrari's and GTR's.
Even would prefer it in real life, I think it's a lot of car you get for the money, I also like the "simpleness" of it, just an engine, a manual and power goes to the rear.
The only other car, i, I would buy for that money in real life is a Porsche 911.
 
You must be blind if you think the C6 looks like a Viper:)

Personally I don't like the look of the ACR Viper is because of the spoiler, therefore I prefer the normal SRT-10, which is butt ugly compared to the GTS. The Viper died after the second generation.

The reason why you rarely see any stock ZR1 online is the same reason why people always using Racing tires, they are lousy drivers.

I have never understand fanboys. I'm a car nut, and I try to appreciate all kinds of cars for what they are. For example, people who complains about the Vette. Buhu, it's made of plastic, buhu leaf springs, buhu, the interior is crap. The question is, have they ever driven a C6 Corvette, probably not. All they have done is reading a car magazine or watched a episode of Top Gear.

Bragging about cars you have never owned, driven or even seen in real life is pathetic. It's like bragging about your friends dad and not your own.
 
RobGT81
Not quite, GT40 is possibly the best car on the planet :)
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Nope. The GT40 is a race car. The LMP car of the 60s. The Ford GT is the road car version in honor of the GT40. The Ford GT is the best! On the road, on the track, even in space. No one can grasps it's awesomeness.

Fredde_swe
You must be blind if you think the C6 looks like a Viper:)

Personally I don't like the look of the ACR Viper is because of the spoiler, therefore I prefer the normal SRT-10, which is butt ugly compared to the GTS. The Viper died after the second generation.

The reason why you rarely see any stock ZR1 online is the same reason why people always using Racing tires, they are lousy drivers.

I have never understand fanboys. I'm a car nut, and I try to appreciate all kinds of cars for what they are. For example, people who complains about the Vette. Buhu, it's made of plastic, buhu leaf springs, buhu, the interior is crap. The question is, have they ever driven a C6 Corvette, probably not. All they have done is reading a car magazine or watched a episode of Top Gear.

Bragging about cars you have never owned, driven or even seen in real life is pathetic. It's like bragging about your friends dad and not your own.
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Ford GT= KING
 
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ADR_XCLUTCH
Nope. The GT40 is a race car. The LMP car of the 60s. The Ford GT is the road car version in honor of the GT40. The Ford GT is the best! On the road, on the track, even in space. No one can grasps it's awesomeness.
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Not sure how being a 60's race car makes it any less awesome?
 
Now where can I find a ZR1 fan that loves the ZR1 as much as I love a Ford GT? I'd love to do some races with that person.

MitchZ06
I've just proven the Mk.3 was a road car only, are you just a fanboy or something?...
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I dont care what the Mk 3 was. The GT40 was made for Le Mans. It was never a Road car turned Race car. It was a Race car 1st, then Road car
 
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Strange how this thread started as someone simply asking if the ZR1 is under appreciated. It turned to a Viper vs Corvette argument, and then into a Automatic paddle shift manual gear stick argument. Strange :p

EDIT!!!! Oh, and now it's evolved AGAIN!!!!!! :D Now we're arguing about the Ford GT?
 
MitchZ06
I've just proven the Mk.3 was a road car only, are you just a fanboy or something?...
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And yes. I am a fanboy. On GT5, I get bored using any other car that isnt a GT40 nor GT. Even if the other car is better performance wise, I get bored quick and jump straight back to my GT40 or GT. I think it has to do with pride more than anything
 
Skython11
Strange how this thread started as someone simply asking if the ZR1 is under appreciated. It turned to a Viper vs Corvette argument, and then into a Automatic paddle shift manual gear stick argument. Strange :p
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:D I know. It even got me irrelevant.
 
Its funny too. Most of the people that use the ZR1 RM cant race, thus proving the GT5 community made it into a 'grind' car
 
@ADR_XCLUTCH. :lol:, I can sort of see why. These people seem mad. I support the ZR1, it's a lot of fun to drive in GT. Almost as good as my beloved ACR (sorry, I can't surrender fully to the Vette, my brother is on the Vette's side, sibling rivalry for life :p)
 
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In real life, i would rather pay $110k for a Audi R8 4.2 V8 rather than $110k for a ZR1 as my everyday car. I'm not saying ZR1 is a bad car, but most of american car is poorly make as compared to european or japanese car.
 
ADR_XCLUTCH
Where are my Corvette ZR1 enthusiasts?
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I prefer the Z06, but any Corvette is a top class car. The ZR1 is a great car in GT5 and real life, I like to drive it in game.

LMSCorvetteGT2
He's trying to show that it is better than the ACR. Which only got its fame for being a Viper that came out of no where and beat the ZR1 and GT-R at the Nurburgring which both had this big hype.
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Don't forget that the Viper did just 4 laps at the Ring, the Vette was there for a few weeks, at least the first time. The ACR is probably still a lot quicker, we just don't see it because they weren't driven back to back and Dodge's record attempt was only half hearted. Still breaking the ACR's record even when not under the same conditions is pretty impressive given the Corvette's lack of downforce.


albteman015
And you also have to remember that a corvette will never be a supercar no matter how fast it is or how good it looks.
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Dead wrong. It is a supercar. And it's a supercar because it's fast. Heritage counts for nothing. So do looks, and what kind of leather is on the interior.

And I can get away with this because supercar is such a loosely defined term. But, yeah, I do really think the only thing that matters is the performance and driving. Why else would you get a car like the ZR1?

Ferrari and all those other guys have "moved" on to paddle shifters and computers driving for you. It just means they forgot how to make a car. Unfortunately the Corvette has gone a little this way too. I hate PTM. If I ever bought a ZR1, I'd weld the PTM switch into the off position. Traction control, launch control, stability control, it doesn't belong in a real car.
 
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Wow Guys you totally missed my point. Manual is better then a stupid paddle shift any day of the year. My point is that if cars were judged on how nice they are to drive instead of dumb things like how much money they cost then the zr1 would be one top of everyone's list. Us car guys are not part of the mainstream media that these cars are hyped on. How many zr1s have you seen in music videos lately? i Have not seen any. And CSLACR You have to understand i agree with you. But weather we like it or not manuals are becoming obsolete. Out of my entire group of friends, only me and one other friend know how to drive a manual. Everyone says they know how because they can use the paddle shifters in their stupid Lexus IS :grumpy:. Kids are growing up around fewer and fewer proper manual cars. And what their opinion on cars is matters more then ours because they are the ones who are going to become the businessmen and doctors that will eventually buy these things. Let me ask you? if you did not know how to drive stick would you buy a car with it? i don't think so. Forget one that costs 100k. as for the F40. It was a terrible car with more performance then anyone can handle. It looked cool, was expensive and had a price tag of a super car so rich people could buy it to show how well they are doing.

deadcat777
In real life, i would rather pay $110k for a Audi R8 4.2 V8 rather than $110k for a ZR1 as my everyday car. I'm not saying ZR1 is a bad car, but most of american car is poorly make as compared to european or japanese car.
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That is what i mean this notion that somehow other cars are better then it without people doing much research. I bet if you hopped in a zr1 and felt the fury of all of you organs being compressed to your spine you would probably change your mind but most people never find out.

Exorcet
Dead wrong. It is a supercar. And it's a supercar because it's fast. Heritage counts for nothing. So do looks, and what kind of leather is on the interior.

And I can get away with this because supercar is such a loosely defined term. But, yeah, I do really think the only thing that matters is the performance and driving. Why else would you get a car like the ZR1?

Ferrari and all those other guys have "moved" on to paddle shifters and computers driving for you. It just means they forgot how to make a car. Unfortunately the Corvette has gone a little this way too. I hate PTM. If I ever bought a ZR1, I'd weld the PTM switch into the off position. Traction control, launch control, stability control, it doesn't belong in a real car.
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Look I Personally would put this car way above most "supercar". I am trying to show what the main public thinks and most people do not believe it is.

BTW you guys need to find a dictionary and look up the word opinion ASAP. I'm sort of getting tired of you writing WRONG OR DEAD WRONG when replying to me. if you feel that I am fine i don't care but don't try to put me down because of it.
 
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albteman015
F40. It was a terrible car with more performance then anyone can handle. It looked cool, was expensive and had a price tag of a super car so rich people could buy it to show how well they are doing.
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I have to disagree with you there. The F40 was Ferrari's prime. It started going downhill (although only slightly) after that.
 
Exorcet
I have to disagree with you there. The F40 was Ferrari's prime. It started going downhill (although only slightly) after that.
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By terrible I meant along the lines of it had a string you had to pull to open its door. other then that it is my favorite Ferrari and I am a Ferrari fan. But again I am trying to show what the general public thinks of cars. We are car nuts so we know what cars are good and bad. Most people don't though you guys really need to understand that.
 
albteman015
By terrible I meant along the lines of it had a string you had to pull to open its door.
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It's called going to extremes with weight saving....they also had one coat of paint (you can see the carbon weave in some cars) to save weight along with plexiglass windows and very little sound deadening or insulation. It was pretty much as hardcore a Ferrari as you could or can buy.
 

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