Chevrolet Volt/Cadillac ELR Thread: 2016 EPA Ratings

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I can actually see the plant from my house funny enough.

I just looked at your location, my moms Malibu was made there.
 
Quick question: Given the option of an Ampera and let's say an A4 3.0 TDI, retailing for approximately 30-34k£ is on the very same price league as the Ampera ( from what I've been told ). It's AWD, much bigger, quite economical, more practical, much more powerful and let's face it: It's an Audi, not an Opel or Vauxhall. It'll be hard to sell the Ampera in a market that accepts diesels as Europe does, I can't see it succeeding.

The benefit of the Volt, or the Ampera in particular, is that in the next 5 years or so there's a very real possibility that some city centres around Europe will become fossil-fuel free - i.e. non-electric vehicles simply won't be allowed in. EVs will, and the Ampera has an option to save the EV mode for when necessary (rather than right at the start of your journey until it runs out, like the Volt) so if you happen to be travelling to an EV-only city you can save the whole 40-odd miles of EV range to allow you into the centre.

The Volt still has a tech appeal too. If, for whatever reason I had that money to spend on a family car the Volt would tempt me for the technology, since I have no particular affinity to any of the big German brands, save for the odd model here or there.

I still think the Volt is expensive, but having driven one I wouldn't feel short-changed having paid that amount.

And of course, no car that uses an engine can beat an EV on NVH, and there's a lot to be said for that in modern traffic.
 
And of course, no car that uses an engine can beat an EV on NVH, and there's a lot to be said for that in modern traffic.

Its creepy quiet, but kinda cool at the same time. It will make my NPR listening that much better.
 
Its creepy quiet, but kinda cool at the same time. It will make my NPR listening that much better.

I find it a really pleasant way to travel. I love a bit of great engine noise as much as the next chap, but let's be honest here - very few cars really sound properly good and even when you're cruising along the motorway or going around town engine and exhaust noise are just that, noise.

I didn't have an opportunity to drive the Volt with the range-extending engine running, but from the reviews I've read it's supposed to be virtually silent most of the time anyway, and only slightly more audible if you're working it hard (i.e. no battery range and climbing the Alps).

For most journeys a bit of silence is a very good thing. It gives the Volt refinement well above its place in the market, and honestly refinement greater than anything at the same price too.
 
How on earth could this thread have been left for dead despite all the recent news?

Anyways, Bob Lutz, a pretty important fellow in the US auto industry, is tired of Big Media bashing his most genius project, the Volt.

His column at Forbes reads:

Bob Lutz at Forbes
The recent media coverage of so-called “Chevrolet Volt fires,” especially by the conservative talk shows and Fox News, has attracted my attention and ire.

Let’s set out the facts (and feel free to check them yourself):

1) Not one Chevrolet Volt has ever caught fire in normal use or in accidents. Not a single one.

2) The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, even after the highly artificial crash test (placing the car on its back, even though it did not roll over in the test) nevertheless awarded the Volt NHTSA’s highest crash-safety rating: 5 stars. Volt is supremely safe.

3) The crashed Volt, its battery shorted by coolant from the period unjustifiably spent “feet up,” caught fire three weeks after said test. (I submit that this would provide adequate time for surviving passengers to exit the vehicle.)

4) On average, 278,000 cars with gasoline engines caught fire in the U.S. each year between 2003 and 2007, according to the National Fire Protection Association.

5) No factory-produced electric vehicle has ever caught fire, to the best of my knowledge.

6) The Volt, the most technologically advanced car on the planet, was conceived by me and my team well before any federal bailout of GM.

These are the bedrock facts.

Now, how did the U.S. right-wing media choose to report this admittedly headline-tempting news?

A nationally syndicated editorial three-panel cartoon stated (I believe I remember the sequence): “Thomas Edison discovered electricity;” then, “Alexander Graham Bell discovered the telephone;” and, in the third panel, “But it took the US Government to discover fire!” (accompanied by a drawing of a burning Chevy Volt).

Meanwhile, my fellow cigar-aficionado and erstwhile friend Rush Limbaugh launched the usual outraged, breathless tirades, denouncing the Volt as a typical failed President Obama initiative, on a par, grosso modo, with the dreaded Obama Care. The screen regularly depicted an exploding Chevrolet Volt.

But the Oscar for totally irresponsible journalism has to go to The O’Reilly Factor on Fox News, with, as its key guest, Lou Dobbs. Amid much jocular yukking, the Volt was depicted as a typical federal failure. In attempting to explain why Chevy has sold fewer than 8,000 Volts, Dobbs states, flatly, “It doesn’t work.” He elaborates, “It doesn’t go fast and go far on electricity. What happens is it catches fire,” adding that Chevy has recalled some 8,000 Volts. Bill O’Reilly, nodding approvingly, helpfully interjects: “So they’ve recalled cars that haven’t been sold.” Boiled down to the subtext, Dobbs’ message was this: “All Volts catch fire, and therefore all Volts have been recalled.” That simply isn’t the case.

Much air time was spent on the $50 billion-plus bailout, which, the audience was left to assume, “funded” the Volt, doubtlessly at the whim of Obama’s known army of evil enviro-Nazis, intent on forcing vehicle electrification on a good-ole’-boy, V8-lovin’ populace.

To top it off, these two media pros lamented the fact that the same government that had forced GM to produce the Volt was now extending $7,500 tax credits towards its purchase, thus squandering even more of “our taxpayer” dollars on this failed Socialist-collectivist flop. Truth? The $7,500 tax credit was enacted under the Bush administration!

But who the hell cares about facts when you’re in O’Reilly’s self-described “No Spin Zone?” (The fine print might as well read, “We said ‘no spin,’ not ‘no deliberate misstatement of facts.’ ”) What on Earth is wrong with the conservative media movement that it feels it’s OK to spread false information, OK to damage the reputation of perhaps the finest piece of mechanical technology our country has produced since the space shuttle, OK to hurt an iconic American company that is roaring back to global pre-eminence, OK to hurt American employment in Hamtramck, Mich., as long as it damages the Obama administration’s reputation?

While as a conservative Republican I may well share the goal, I deplore the means employed to attain it. The conservative cause damages itself, destroys its credibility through the expedient spreading of untruths. The public will figure it out.

The right-wing “talking heads”, O’Reilly and Limbaugh at the forefront, have managed to make me embarrassed to describe myself as a conservative.

Come on, you guys. Shape up! There’s plenty of legitimate fodder out there. Let’s leave the “invention of facts” to the left-wing climate-change alarmists.
Sounds to me like Bob Lutz is seeing how ridiculous the mainstream media is acting, and how ridiculous this Republican race for President has become.

Mr. Lutz, if you're reading this, we young Americans who respect an old man's vision to work hard for a better tomorrow would be delighted to have you join us in the Ron Paul camp for this coming election season. We're tired of this media vs. government malarky just like you are. Feel free to state your support aloud - people know your name.
 
Sounds like typical American media to me.

It's just a shame it takes Bob Lutz to stand up for it. No celebrity endorsements? Public figures?
 
What is even funnier about that statement is that Bob Lutz is a right-wing nut job who bashed the government's fuel standards.
 
The funny part is that, outside of the right-wing media... No one really cares. They've talked about it on NPR a couple of times here and there, I've seen it on MSNBC once, and that's really been about it.

All things considered, they've been fairly successful with the car. People are still interested it, regardless of the bad news. I think the only thing holding it back is the ridiculous price. Eventually, that may change. But right now... Not so much.
 
I've seen one in person, and honestly, it looks amazing. What a fantastically futuristic looking car that doesn't resemble a chilidish toy as the Prius does, and doesn't look like a blue-tinted booger like the Leaf. And come on, which name sounds cooler, Volt or Leaf? Exactly.

If I had $41,000 I would probably buy one. It'd get me too and from work for an entire week without firing up the engine, or a round trip to school and back with a stop for some pizza on the way home. If I charged it overnight I could literally go weeks of my regular schedule without using a drop of gas. But if I randomly needed to ferry a friend to Louisville to buy a car (I've done that before) I could do that too because of the range-extending engine. A leaf might do that but it won't get me home afterwards.

All of you know this stuff already but I felt like reiterating this car's genius anyway.
 
Give it some time... cheaper batteries, maybe an even more efficient on-board generator to get up into the low-40 mpg range in extended-range mode and it will be perfect. I'm not quite sure the 1.4 in there is the best engine choice. GM's regular 1.4 (which it was based on) as it appeared in the Aveo was a stinker of an engine. Maybe the newer 1.0 or 1.2 liter engines, perhaps with a supercharger, would be a better, more fuel-efficient match.
 
I've only ridden in a Volt, but I'd love to take one for a drive. Its weird how normal it is, getting in and out, rolling around. The only thing you really notice is how quiet it is. I mean, you actually have to talk to your friends.

My only wiggle with the Volt is the center stack. I like the idea of the buttonless dashboard, how it works out more like an iPhone than a traditional setup. But in the end, it doesn't work through gloves in the cold, and you really can't navigate the dash on feel alone. I occasionally wonder how much money could have been saved if they would have used "traditional" buttons and switches inside... Sure, leave the rather-awesome touch-screen... But for the HVAC and radio? I'll take a knob or two.

RE: Engine Options

I think they did it because it was there. The weird choice is the iron block and so on. I'd have thought that a three-cylinder or a diesel would have been more efficient churning at a constant speed to keep the battery charged. I know GM was worried about the NVH caused when it clicked on, and that may be a reason why it was chosen.

I was under the impression the Ampera might get something different than the Volt. Perhaps time will tell...
 
The only thing you really notice is how quiet it is. I mean, you actually have to talk to your friends.
Does it not have a stereo?
 
I think they did it because it was there.
Well, they were struggling a bit to keep the price down. Using a cheap engine that's already been in production for a while would certainly save a chunk.
 
Does it not have a stereo?

Ha, of course. I don't know how to explain it. The only thing you really have is road noise, and eventually wind noise, aside from the radio. Its strange not having an engine clicking behind the firewall, or the sound of the exhaust coming out the back. I think most people tune it out on a day-to-day basis. You don't really notice it until its gone, and its eerily quiet.
 
GM has the option of the Spark 1.0 or 1.2s, which are aluminum and have a reputation for good economy. The peak power of the 1.2 is actually the same as the 1.4 in the Volt (though yes, I realize the Volt's is detuned and optimized for generator use).

It's not like the 1.4 is the paragon of refinement, anyway...
 
Though from what I've heard, it's not too bad when it kicks in anyway. Only really audible when you're trying to drive flat-out up hills, when it revs up a bit to keep the battery topped up.

It never kicked in when I drove one in Geneva last year as the car hadn't done enough miles to drain the battery. So I got the whole surreal silent treatment you get from every electric car.

The Ampera is getting the same 1.4 Ecotec from the Volt. It's nothing special but it does the job. Judging from early Volt users, the sort of people buying them barely ever get it to kick in as most are making full use of that 40-mile commuting range. Jay Leno included, who I recall has done well over 10k miles in his without using a drop of gas. Which is also kinda amusing, as Leno was a bit of a Volt-basher when it was announced, and he's done a complete about-turn on it.

The Volt would be my current pick of the crop, though I'm eager to see what the upcoming plug-in Prius can do, as on combined mileage it's rated 13mpg higher than the Volt. It only does about 15 miles in EV mode compared to the Volt's 40-odd, but the Prius has always been significantly more efficient on the highway.

I tried to borrow a plug-in Prius to go down to Geneva this year but Toyota's only press example will be on loan elsewhere. So they're giving me a Lexus instead, which I can't really complain about.

I mind the Prius less and less all the time, as I can't help feeling it'd be a brilliant "day to day" car, as long as I still owned something fun for weekends.
 
I absolutely love it. Questionable plastics and all. As a commuter car to drive in boring traffic in, there's little that can rival a Prius for ease of use.

I wish Chevrolet had a Volt tester in this country, but as the current corporation handling Chevrolet accounts, TCCCi, is an all-new entity, and is still working to build up the volume the old Chevrolet Philippines never had, an expensive electric isn't high on their priority list at the moment.

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Errh... didn't stop them from bringing in the Camaro, though. One would think TCCCi would want to bring in the other Chevy halo car... at least as a demo unit.
 
I absolutely love it. Questionable plastics and all. As a commuter car to drive in boring traffic in, there's little that can rival a Prius for ease of use.

I've still somehow avoided driving any Prius yet, but I want to change that this year. I've sat in a few and they're not too bad, the plastics are cheap-ish but it's a kind of futuristic cheap rather than fake-leather-grain cheap. All the plastics are kind of "technical", rather than synthetic versions of real things.

And I do like the dash design. When you're a kid you always assumed we'd be driving around in something a bit more futuristic than the traditional upright dash/speedo/rev-counter arrangement in most cars. The Prius feels suitably high-tech.

As does the Volt, really. Though I can't help feeling the Volt would have been better served by a small, Prius-like gear selector than the massive plastic PRND gate it actually has. Even if it does look quite good integrated into the dash when in park (pic below is the largely identical Ampera):

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Still need a proper go in the Volt to make up my mind on it. Going to try and get hold of one this year.
 
So, me and Minty were puttering around Baltimore today stuck in traffic. And we saw a car carrier filled with what we thought were Chevrolet Volts. But before I could even make a mean joke about them, I noticed that in fact there were only two Volts, and all of the rest of them were Opel Amperas (with Opel badging and everything).



So... Anyone know why that might be?
 
They run them in limited numbers. They are being rolled out around the world. The cars are to be sent to dealers to show that GM is 'Going Green' in a constructive way.

Do you or anyone else think that GM is going 'Green' or just trying to portray it? If they were serious, GM plants would be transformed with alternate energy and environmental projects. But it seems to be business as usual. The Volt will be rolled out as a marketing tool that you have to order and wait months to acquire.
 


So... Anyone know why that might be?

GM may be thinking of selling the Amperas here in the states maybe under Buick. They sell both the Volt and Amperas in Europe and the Amperas sells much better then the Volt.
 
They run them in limited numbers. They are being rolled out around the world. The cars are to be sent to dealers to show that GM is 'Going Green' in a constructive way.

Do you or anyone else think that GM is going 'Green' or just trying to portray it? If they were serious, GM plants would be transformed with alternate energy and environmental projects. But it seems to be business as usual. The Volt will be rolled out as a marketing tool that you have to order and wait months to acquire.

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Whether or not the Volt is a token gesture from GM, it's also the most advanced car GM sells, or has probably ever sold, and will have cost huge amounts to develop. No company, particularly GM, takes the expensive route to a problem without a long-term goal, and given that Volt sales are slowly but surely picking up (it's finally started overtaking the Nissan Leaf in the last few months) people are presumably coming around to the concept.

And GM is focusing on alternative energy for at least one of its plants, the Detroit-Hamtramck plant where the Volt is built - much of it is solar powered.

As for "The Volt will be rolled out as a marketing tool that you have to order and wait months to acquire", you do realise that the car has been on sale for over a year now, right? You can pretty much walk into a Chevy dealership and have one in a week.

GM may be thinking of selling the Amperas here in the states maybe under Buick. They sell both the Volt and Amperas in Europe and the Amperas sells much better then the Volt.

That's not unexpected given Chevy's relatively low-key presence in Europe. As for Buick-badged Amperas it's possible, as it'd be an incredibly easy, cheap way of expanding the Volt's market a little, to those who feel the Chevy badge is a little downmarket.

A second, equally plausible explanation, is that the Ampera is built in the same factory, so the ones Toro saw may well just be destined for a boat to Europe...
 
I had the opportunity to drive a Chevrolet Volt on the Zolder track for just one lap during the CleanWeek 2020 weekend. It is amazing how good this car really is. The instant torque available from 0 rpm, gives you the feeling that this car is much faster than the 0-62 mph in 9 seconds.
It's comfortable, very silent and very easy to drive. Except for the lack of engine noise, you wouldn't even know you're driving an electric car.

Too bad it is too expensive or I would consider buying this car or the Ampera.
 
So, me and Minty were puttering around Baltimore today stuck in traffic. And we saw a car carrier filled with what we thought were Chevrolet Volts. But before I could even make a mean joke about them, I noticed that in fact there were only two Volts, and all of the rest of them were Opel Amperas (with Opel badging and everything).



So... Anyone know why that might be?

As far as I can remember, the Ampera is still assembled in Detroit just like the rest of the Volts, and is then shipped out to Europe. My assumption would be that they're sending the Volts for sale in Maryland, the Amperas to get on a freighter at the port there.
 
Start the cliche spinning newspaper, next-generation Volt rumors are here!

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GM is watching the plug-in competition, the Ford C-Max Energi and Toyota Prius Plug-In, as it works on future product. "We've got one bullet in the chamber with the Volt," he said. "We're getting some feedback. We've already built a body of research. There are a lot of different camps. From a design perspective, people want an exciting vehicle. Now, what does exciting mean? A lot of zoom-y lines? Deep cut forms? A lot of muscular shapes? We are looking at all the different kinds of design DNA for how we proceed with this technology. Nothing is left off the table. No idea is a bad idea."

Interesting news, that's for sure. The next generation Volt will be emerging at a time where Chevrolet is going through a very interesting transition, really GM on the whole going toward an interesting performance trend.

I'd definitely like to see the Volt break out into separate models and trims like the Toyota Prii siblings. Give us a coupe, sedan, and some kind of wagon. Something sporty could go a long way, hell, jam the powertrain into the Alpha chassis and do something awesome. Done and done.
 
I sat in a Volt at a dealer once, and I MUCH preferred it to the Prius and Insight.

This could be neat, a slightly smaller, more driver-focused Volt? I'm game.

And they seems quite peppy already. I was cruising on the freeway at about 60 mph, and there was one behind me. It got in the right lane and shot ahead much quicker than I expected it would. I was genuinely dumbfounded at the acceleration it managed.
 
From what I'm hearing, the Volt is beginning to gain momentum now. Sales are up each month, owners are raving about them, and Chevy's research into what people want is pretty much spot-on - over 60% of Volt miles are done on electricity - enough that it's saving people a whole heap on fuel, but also showing that having that extra bit of gasoline range is useful.

As YSSMAN suggests, a coupe and a wagon would be good. The coupe is already on its way, albeit as a Cadillac. That could be an interesting one to watch.
 
I see quite a lot of Amperas nowadays here in the Netherlands, and it sure does look good.
 
I've seen quite a few Volts, and I like them. The concept is great, and it seems like they executed it well. Hopefully the second gen car will be profitable, and will come in different forms.
 
Even the current version isn't necessarily unprofitable - it just hasn't been out long enough to have recouped its investment yet. Over the full model cycle - and given a few more vehicles using the same drivetrain - it could still turn a profit yet.
 
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