Chikane's Struggle A GT7 Story ( I Own The FXX-K)

[shadow0460]

Yeah. The Ferarri cars are just too unstable for my driving style. The F8 is blistering fast but I have trouble following a decent cornering line.
It surprises me because in a couple different games the McLaren F1 has taken great care of me and it, too, focused mainly on speed.
There is a lot going on with the F-XX-K. You have five liveries to choose from. There is no way to adjust down force. It guzzles gas unless you drive MT and put the KERS to proper use. That increases power by about 10%. You have to manage that plus all the power is going to the rear. That plus the KERS system and the engine in a mid rear seat means pure punishment for the back tires. You'll want to start off with a hard tire on the back and a softer tire on the front.
Where the FXXK shines is the Ferrari only events. It will dust the competition and pass everything but a gas station. Also with all that weight in the back, the car's butt stays planted.

 

[tankuroded]

All this thread does is highlight how "engagement " is chased over enjoyment of the game. People grinding daily to chase an invite is no different than a gambler chasing the winning horse at the track and watching all fall down.

Coincidentally I had a thinking that Extra Books is this borderline close to a by-proxy paid loot boxes.

EDIT: On the flipside, what do you consider as a good engagement for the game, then?

 

[Chikane_GTR]

If you already owned the FXX-K, you should have removed the portion about it from the post of this thread.

Also, if you keep doing the grinding races all day, you might want to take a break and use ClubmanSharp instead.

Good idea I didn't know you could edit the title of the thread.👍

Also what's this clubmansharp stuff about?

All this thread does is highlight how "engagement " is chased over enjoyment of the game. People grinding daily to chase an invite is no different than a gambler chasing the winning horse at the track and watching all fall down.

Sorry but in my case I have fully enjoy the game even with all the grinding I do.👍

 

[sswishbone]

Coincidentally I had a thinking that Extra Books is this borderline close to a by-proxy paid loot boxes.

EDIT: On the flipside, what do you consider as a good engagement for the game, then?

Good engagement is where you have no blockers that are arbitrary to progression. Take Final Fantasy XVI, in that game there are "hunts" essentially special bosses for you to track down and fight. Their appearance is tied to either main story progression or side quest progression. You don't have to draw your luck from a pot or anything to get the Intel you need. With invites in GT7 you are essentially "winning" a chance to buy something... Not exactly positive engagement or reward is it?

Good idea I didn't know you could edit the title of the thread.👍

Also what's this clubmansharp stuff about?

Sorry but in my case I have fully enjoy the game even with all the grinding I do.👍

I'm glad you enjoyed grinding, I don't comprehend it myself, but glad you like it. However, would you prefer a vast array of offline events to try instead of grinding the same ones? (speaking of, Kaz, how goes making the game where players shouldn't have to grind the same event? You mentioned it in your apology, where is it?)

 

[MatskiMonk]

People grinding daily to chase an invite is no different than a gambler chasing the winning horse at the track and watching all fall down.

You get invites by simply playing the game, it's effectively a reward for doing what you'd be doing anyway. It's more like going to the track because you enjoy horse-racing, and someone giving you a free bet while you're there.

There is nothing at stake and no loss to the player in any outcome. You will get something of some value, but you might not get what you want - but a game of chance isn't automatically gambling.

 

[SluggerDandy]

You get invites by simply playing the game, it's effectively a reward for doing what you'd be doing anyway. It's more like going to the track because you enjoy horse-racing, and someone giving you a free bet while you're there.

There is nothing at stake and no loss to the player in any outcome. You will get something of some value, but you might not get what you want - but a game of chance isn't automatically gambling.

I'm nowhere as a grinder as Chikane, I had several periods of time when I've stopped playing the game for one or two months and got ALL of the invites twice at minimum. Even 5 times for Lambo and Citroen.
I've always prioritized buying those cars over LCD or UCD.
But I think that the system isn't as good as having the invite when you possess all the other cars of the manufacturer.
IRL, you would get a hint of new luxury cars arriving on the market because of your engagement with the brand, not cause of luck.

 

[MatskiMonk]

I'm nowhere as a grinder as Chikane, I had several periods of time when I've stopped playing the game for one or two months and got ALL of the invites twice at minimum. Even 5 times for Lambo and Citroen.
I've always prioritized buying those cars over LCD or UCD.
But I think that the system isn't as good as having the invite when you possess all the other cars of the manufacturer.
IRL, you would get a hint of new luxury cars arriving on the market because of your engagement with the brand, not cause of luck.

Yeah, I have to say I've not really struggled to get the invite cars and have them all now, it took a year or so but I'm not particularly fussed about any of the cars so I didn't mind waiting. The system clearly does prevent some people from getting the cars though, and there's absolutely more creative ways of doing it - or at very minimum code it so everyone gets all the invites at least once over the course of a fixed number of logins.

 

[sswishbone]

You get invites by simply playing the game, it's effectively a reward for doing what you'd be doing anyway. It's more like going to the track because you enjoy horse-racing, and someone giving you a free bet while you're there.

There is nothing at stake and no loss to the player in any outcome. You will get something of some value, but you might not get what you want - but a game of chance isn't automatically gambling.

Why should it be a game of chance in the first place?

 

[tankuroded]

Also what's this clubmansharp stuff about?

It's an AFK grinder.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

It's an AFK grinder.

Not entirely sure if that's a auto grind but if it is then I wouldn't find any fun in that. The fun and enjoyment I find in grinding in games like GT7 and jrpgs is that I get to do the grinding myself.

 

[BlackedoutRX7LM]

Is it me or does the FXXK have a terrible in car view?

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Is it me or does the FXXK have a terrible in car view?

I wouldn't say its terrible more like it feels cramped.

When I compare it to cars like the p1 or f1 which I like to drive in interior view from time to time the fxxk is by far my least favorite in interior view.

 

[GlockPants]

All this thread does is highlight how "engagement " is chased over enjoyment of the game. People grinding daily to chase an invite is no different than a gambler chasing the winning horse at the track and watching all fall down.

You get invites by simply playing the game, it's effectively a reward for doing what you'd be doing anyway. It's more like going to the track because you enjoy horse-racing, and someone giving you a free bet while you're there.

There is nothing at stake and no loss to the player in any outcome. You will get something of some value, but you might not get what you want - but a game of chance isn't automatically gambling.

I have to agree with @MatskiMonk, the invite system is for sure bad game design. Be it from the result of time constraints or laziness. But it's not some nefarious evil mechanic that @sswishbone makes it out to be. Even the assertion that @tankuroded makes about extra menu books being almost paid loot boxes is absurd to me.

There were so many ways PD could've done it better, but for some reason it didn't happen. It's not really worth getting all bent out of shape about something (invites) that isn't what you believe it to be (loot box).

Why should it be a game of chance in the first place?

You're correct here, it really shouldn't be up chance to get the invites. But to just equate it to gambling since there is chance involved is a stretch. Play a game of Solitaire on Windows and you're not guaranteed to win, its based on chance, I don't think you'd say that it's gambling. There are no stakes when playing Windows Solitaire just like there are no stakes when you earn your daily workout ticket for whatever (typically garbage) reward you get.

As for me, I'm playing the game regardless and having fun while doing it. I don't 'grind' exactly. I'll usually run the WTC 700 Le Mans race once a session as a warmup using different cars, since most of the things I do don't earn me money that quickly (TT rewards, or GTWS). Gran Turismo has always been a slow burn for me, the way I look at it is that you're not supposed to just pick the game up, play for a month and have everything done. I'll get the invites I want eventually ... probably.

 

[sswishbone]

I have to agree with @MatskiMonk, the invite system is for sure bad game design. Be it from the result of time constraints or laziness. But it's not some nefarious evil mechanic that @sswishbone makes it out to be. Even the assertion that @tankuroded makes about extra menu books being almost paid loot boxes is absurd to me.

There were so many ways PD could've done it better, but for some reason it didn't happen. It's not really worth getting all bent out of shape about something (invites) that isn't what you believe it to be (loot box).

You're correct here, it really shouldn't be up chance to get the invites. But to just equate it to gambling since there is chance involved is a stretch. Play a game of Solitaire on Windows and you're not guaranteed to win, its based on chance, I don't think you'd say that it's gambling. There are no stakes when playing Windows Solitaire just like there are no stakes when you earn your daily workout ticket for whatever (typically garbage) reward you get.

As for me, I'm playing the game regardless and having fun while doing it. I don't 'grind' exactly. I'll usually run the WTC 700 Le Mans race once a session as a warmup using different cars, since most of the things I do don't earn me money that quickly (TT rewards, or GTWS). Gran Turismo has always been a slow burn for me, the way I look at it is that you're not supposed to just pick the game up, play for a month and have everything done. I'll get the invites I want eventually ... probably.

Play a game of solitaire? In that I'd expect a chance element to my draw. Gran Turismo 7 is a racing title, the only lottery should be the weather, on track collisions and mechanical failure

 

[GlockPants]

Play a game of solitaire? In that I'd expect a chance element to my draw. Gran Turismo 7 is a racing title, the only lottery should be the weather, on track collisions and mechanical failure

How would you compare this to the most rare Eldenring drops, then?

Similar preconditions of having the initial buy in of the game purchase. The most rare drops are reported to be 0.50 percent (https://www.thegamer.com/elden-ring-items-with-rarest-drop-rates/#octopus-head). All items on that list are equally inconsequential as any of the cars locked behind the invites, no rewards for collecting that gear just like collecting any of those invite cars, the only additional investment anyone needs to make to acquire these items is to play the game.

 

[sswishbone]

How would you compare this to the most rare Eldenring drops, then?

Similar preconditions of having the initial buy in of the game purchase. The most rare drops are reported to be 0.50 percent (https://www.thegamer.com/elden-ring-items-with-rarest-drop-rates/#octopus-head). All items on that list are equally inconsequential as any of the cars locked behind the invites, no rewards for collecting that gear just like collecting any of those invite cars, the only additional investment anyone needs to make to acquire these items is to play the game.

Again, that's an RPG, and (unless I'm very much mistaken) not mandatory for completion of story points. So... apples and oranges?

 

[GlockPants]

Again, that's an RPG, and (unless I'm very much mistaken) not mandatory for completion of story points. So... apples and oranges?

None of the invite cars are required to advance anything in GT7, show me where I'm wrong with that, please.

Also, I don't see why genre of game makes any difference.

I can understand distain for actual gambling. But even at a casino, there is obvious odds of each game. What's different from buying a new RPG game, paying $60-$70+ then not getting that money back than going up to a blackjack table and wager the same money and losing it?

Obviously the answer is the false impression that you have a chance to get your money back. But how much will you have to risk? You're more likely to lose more, that's why gambling is problematic, at least on a personal economic level. Not considering things like addiction, which is another problem.

Now tell me why invites are gambling when it so obviously isn't.

 

[sswishbone]

None of the invite cars are required to advance anything in GT7, show me where I'm wrong with that, please.

Also, I don't see why genre of game makes any difference.

I can understand distain for actual gambling. But even at a casino, there is obvious odds of each game. What's different from buying a new RPG game, paying $60-$70+ then not getting that money back than going up to a blackjack table and wager the same money and losing it?

Obviously the answer is the false impression that you have a chance to get your money back. But how much will you have to risk? You're more likely to lose more, that's why gambling is problematic, at least on a personal economic level. Not considering things like addiction, which is another problem.

Now tell me why invites are gambling when it so obviously isn't.

Bugatti menu book, Porsche menu book...

 

[GTboyz]

Back then.

What did you do in GT7 today?

Just cover the 3 of 13 millions that spend for Barker . I use the Peugeot 908 fap 10 after managing to bring it down to 700 pp and use it at la sarthe . Its definitely not fast ( lapping around 4.10's ) but ..... But is incredible " safe " ,has huge grip and the fuel economy was outstanding. Can...

www.gtplanet.net

Not now since with the 2k car limit I cant continue buying everything. But I still do my le man atleast 8 to 10 times a day.

8-10 ? goddamn.

I already fell asleep by the 4th time doing Le Mans back then when I was still actively grinding in Le Mans

I did an insanely amount of grinding in Tokyo per day back when the Tomahawk glitch is still doable.

 

[GlockPants]

Bugatti menu book, Porsche menu book...

The rewards for which aren't anything you can't get from completing a Daily Workout. Also completion of the extra menus is entirely not required for any progression of in-game content, like tracks or modes that are unlocked from the non-extra or bonus menus. The most rare ticket you could get would be a 6* engine ticket or parts, but after the 1.34 update, parts and engines are no longer locked behind this.

 

[sswishbone]

The rewards for which aren't anything you can't get from completing a Daily Workout. Also completion of the extra menus is entirely not required for any progression of in-game content, like tracks or modes that are unlocked from the non-extra or bonus menus. The most rare ticket you could get would be a 6* engine ticket or parts, but after the 1.34 update, parts and engines are no longer locked behind this.

It's still completion affected by random chance. Doesn't invalidate my point.

 

[GlockPants]

It's still completion affected by random chance. Doesn't invalidate my point.

If that makes you feel better, we'll have to agree to disagree. Is there some other game that you shelved that you can complain about someplace else?

 

[sswishbone]

If that makes you feel better, we'll have to agree to disagree. Is there some other game that you shelved that you can complain about someplace else?

I'm happy to agree to disagree, as for your second question, you hold no authority over my presence or absence, let me fish out my smallest violin