Cities in Gran Turismo

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As you noticed in Gran Turismo 2, street courses have become more apparent. Rome. Grindelwald. Seattle.

You look at GT3, there is Seattle, Rome, Tokyo, Monte Carlo (actual circuit, but I hope Tokyo would make a wonderful JGTC race, just add more pits), and so on.

With GT4 to add New York and Paris and all, I've opened this topic to discuss the popularity of street courses in the game. I'll begin, as my voice counts as a voice of opinion.

Adding real cities to ANY video game shows quality in how accurate a track looks in real life. The Monte Carlo street race run by F1 was designed beautifully by Polyphony Digital. But adding a new race track based on actual city streets is pretty authentic and wonderful. Here is a website where you can find a picture of Tokyo. The Tokyo R246 is a collection of 4 different map samples. If you know the configuration of R246, finding it in this map is almost very easy:

http://www.worldexecutive.com/cityguides/tokyo/maps.html

See if you can find the Tokyo R246 course. Anyhow, I think when it comes to selecting these courses, there are several considerations. One of them is challenge. The CHALLENGE of a track is based on what kind of track you want to present the racer with. Is the track going to be long and twisty, or short and slow, or what does the editor have in mind? The next element is PRACTICALITY. Don't just make up a track simply because you want to represent that city in a game. It is okay to represent, but you want to present a challenge that is good enough to keep anyone on their toes. Another element is ENVIRONMENT EFFECTIVENESS. Is the race held in a park, the suburbs, downtown, a combination of different streets, or what? The fantasy course Special Stage Route 11 looks to be starting from downtown, to the suburbs, to the port, and all the way back to downtown. The mix of environments is very effective since the course is dazzling from almost any aspect. Outside of the GT Series, the fantasy Ridge City in Ridge Racer V has one large city with several different environments. You can choose from the long-time traditional course "Sunny Beach" to the challenging "Bayside Line", and both of which combine different elements of the city, and it all looks exceptionally well, even since this game is pretty obsolete now. The final element would be in putting it all together to build a competitive race track. This would be the COMPILATION element.

As an observer, I once had an idea of a street course for my hometown of Houston, Texas, USA. The beautiful Galleria area here in Houston would serve as the site of the race track. I pictured a race track with the start/finish at the front doors to what was Neiman Marcus (I don't know if it is still there or not), and afterwards, I haven't planned the track concept very well. if GT4 takes advantage of day-to-night cycles, I'd like the event to be run in the evening, then go into nighttime. Why? Because I love nighttime. I can imagine that night race as a Saturday Night Street race in my favorite part of Houston, Texas. Care to discuss the street course popularity in GT? Want to add other tracks to the list (i.e. Sydney, London, Los Angeles, Toronto, Le Mans (the city), Moscow, etc.)? Post away!
 
nah, i should be one of thoes long ass enduroes that starts there, goes through katy, comes back into San Antonio then back to there, sorta like a gran prix. Houston a very nice place, now if only we could do the same to other big citys like Midland, Odessa, Dallas Ft.Worth and so on...
 
I can't wait to see the NEW Hong Kong circuit, that looks excellent to race on from the prologue ending adn the other UNKNOWN Circuit, I hopes its better than Seattle (Questionnable)........
 
The Toronto Molson Indy course.

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Ohh I just had an idea...why not there be a massive road rally like they have thru New Zealand as an Enduro, or a very BIG course like the Isle of Man TT course!!! That would be awesome.
 
itd have to be rally so we could go all over the beaches and chase the ducks that stole togs from innocent swimmers. to bad they now stick out like a sore toe. scarred the poor swimmed so bad he piddled on him self, never made it to the lou... and his biscuits burnt, choclate chips dont like heat...
 
Hey there john. Just what is your favorite part of houston? I'm out in katy, and I must say that heading off of westheimer out towards fulshear, there is a long stretch of 3 lane straight roads with 55mph limits. About 5 miles worth. Great fun without traffic or turns.
 
I recon it's impossible to find R246 in a map. Ive tryed and Ive had no luck. Ive found rome and I think I found seattle but no tokyo:(
 
I never even tried to look.. but i wouldnt mind driving in the country side like europe or something... you know.. like might a city where you could start off in the city drive out into the country side and then back.. this way instead of just city or just mountains like grand canyon how about a mix, id deff prefer europe with the mountains and fields or grass and what not.. (more or less a rally track) i dunno just more variety in the GT games would be cool..
 
Originally posted by radicool02
I recon it's impossible to find R246 in a map. Ive tryed and Ive had no luck.
There's a video out of someone driving it. (with normal traffic tho')
 
My favorite part of Houston is the Galleria. In Houston, the Galleria is mostly in Southwest Houston. The track I had in mind starts at the The Galleria shopping mall, then winds on down to Transco Tower (now Willams Tower), then heads down to the WaterWall, and at the futuristic traffic lights, there is a hard right turn. Again, I haven't thought it out due to a lack of resources, but I'm working on it.

As far as Tokyo goes, I noticed that the World Executive website has been changed, so it is not that easy to find. In so, I came up with a makeshift "instruction guide" on finding Tokyo R246:

FINDING THE MAPS
To make things easier, go to: http://www.worldexecutive.com/cityguides/tokyo/maps.html

FINDING THE TRACK
Finding the track is a little tricky, but four corners of four different frames show the Tokyo R246 we raced on from 2 laps to 2:45:00.000. So how do you find the course? Try this:

(1) The majority of the track is on Sector C3 on the Tokyo map provided
(http://www.worldexecutive.com/cityguides/tokyo/map_c3.html).

(2) The western end of the track can be found on Sector B3 on the map provided (http://www.worldexecutive.com/cityguides/tokyo/map_b3.html).

(3) The northeasternmost tip of the track can be found at the south of Sector C2 on the map provided (http://www.worldexecutive.com/cityguides/tokyo/map_c2.html).


To clarify, I am very certain Tokyo can be found. If you take Sectors B2, B3, C2, and C3, you can find Tokyo R246 very easily. The front straight is Aoyama-Dori street. The second tight turn combined with the oval-like part that goes past National Stadium. If I am making no sense, there is a very easy way to find the track from the main map. Don't confuse the names, but Akasaka is the district you want to look at. It has the majority of the track. One last note about the video of real-life R246, I seen that video, and when I tried to find that video online, the video was unavailable online. However, I think I still have it on my computer. Whether or not it still works is unknown.

Anyhow, I'll work on the Houston street course idea. Until then, take care!
 
A few years ago some people tried to set up a F1 GP in Las Vegas using part of 'the strip' but unfortunetly the idea fell through although apparently its not off the cards completely :trouble: .
Now THAT would be cool, imagine the lights etc....:)
 
Why not a tunnel-race, a complete circuit taking place at roads that runs under the big cities.. that would be cool but mabye a bit too much like txr or nfsu
 
A bit too unrealistic, all the tracks in GT games have been done eiter using real roads or keeping the overall flavour of the area they are making the track in.
 
:D Must say I love all the "City Tracks" even though all but Cote are "Fantasies." Just so much more "Backround" & lots of details.👍 Before New York, Hong Kong, Paris etc. were announced for GT4 I thought of another format that "Might" be fun. How about "Regional" tracks with Famous Landmarks?

How about a "European Region" where you drive over the "London Bridge", glimpse "Big Ben", then make a loop around the "Eifel Tower", race through "Red Square" then past the "Acropolis" and see some "Dutch Windmills" & the "Alps" in the backround maybe?

For the "USA Region" go over the "Golden Gate Bridge", under the "Gateway Arch" in St Louis, make a pass down the Chicago "Loop" or through Boston's new "Big Ditch" & throw in a coupla turns thru "DC" with the monuments in the backround.

For an "Austral-Asian Region" take a swing past "Sydney Harbour", through the Gorgeous "NZ Countryside", past the "Golden Temples" of Bangkok, the "Terraced Hillsides" of Bali...well you get the idea. Kind of a "Mini-World Tour" while enjoying GT4! JMO...UB57 :D
 
I don't fancy that regional tracks idea tbh, keep it all real, the non real road tracks in GT are based on actual road maps (all exept the R5 and R11 tracks), there is a place in Tokyo that looks like R246 in GT3, same with Seattle and Rome.
 
As a mini-thread for "GT4 Race Ideas," I once thought of:

Street Fight
- Only street courses. Ranges from 5 or 7 (or maybe 10) races, including some in reverse.

For the Austal-Asian thing, you forgot about seeing Tokyo Tower or Mt. Fuji. Austal-Asian has kind of been my focus, especially the Asian part. If you want to be American patriotic, you can host races in Philidelphia or Washington D.C. (the American NFL homes of the Eagles and the Redskins, respectively).

If PD wanted to cut a secret deal with Namco (why would they? In terms of racing games, they are rivals), they'd include RR5 track "Above the City" or Ridge Racer Type 4 tracks "Edge of the Earth" or "Shooting Hoops."

I have a few ideas for a Houston street course. The other ideas use the Texas Medical Center here in Houston, based on bus routes in this sector of Houston. Or, how about this? A Detroit or Dearborn Street Course so American cars have a track to tear butt on?

Keep the replies coming...
 
Originally posted by JohnBM01
Street Fight
- Only street courses. Ranges from 5 or 7 (or maybe 10) races, including some in reverse.
Nah, you should have like the boxing set up on Rocky so like you piss some dude off in a race, it goes to a cutscene where you see your dude (customizable, not like all game companys are doing that now) taking a piss or eating or something, and the dude walks up behind him, pulls him away and sucker punches him, then turns the controls over to you so you can beat the crap out of him and keep your bragging rights, your he beats you and you loose the money you won and your trophy.
 
Originally posted by ShobThaBob
Hey there john. Just what is your favorite part of houston? I'm out in katy, and I must say that heading off of westheimer out towards fulshear, there is a long stretch of 3 lane straight roads with 55mph limits. About 5 miles worth. Great fun without traffic or turns.
sorry missed this message through the commosion... The only place i went to was a Joes Crab Shack and some mall where i stayed there long enough to get something to eat from Arby's... i was visiting my cousins, and they live a VERY VERY shelterd life. The oldest one didnt even know her way around Katy and they had lived there for about a year and a half. I mean dont get me wrong, Katy is a city compared to some other places in Texas, such as Sherman, Howe, Abeliene... well maybe not Abeliene but BigSpring.... and i think another problem was they were moving from house to house...
 
Ore how about a track in a airport like that one they use in Champcars (I think its Cleveland) even the tight corners are fast due to the width of the runways not strictly a 'street' track but a break from the norm I reckons.
 
Im lucky enogh to live in one of the beautifiest countries in the world, NZ. I thought of a track they could include- It would weave its way up the hill, through lyttelton tunnel then into the steep streets, then run alongside of the port past beautiful super yachts and then wind back up the hill and down the other side at tremendose speeds :D
Im working on a picture for it but i think i deleted it :banghead:



I think the HongKongtrack they have there looks good-but is to simalar to New York..... But the other track there looks like a dream! :eek:
 
I would love to see Miami Street Course in future GT-games.
otherwise I´m pretty satisfied with the street courses but I think PD should bring back the top-of-the-line-race-cars to 2hr Rome I mean I dont have the strenght or time to do it in a Audi TT also when you race in race cars it becomes more of a little "Le-Mans feeling"
 
Originally posted by supra_luva209
Im lucky enogh to live in one of the beautifiest countries in the world, NZ. I thought of a track they could include- It would weave its way up the hill, through lyttelton tunnel then into the steep streets, then run alongside of the port past beautiful super yachts and then wind back up the hill and down the other side at tremendose speeds :D
Im working on a picture for it but i think i deleted it :banghead:



I think the HongKongtrack they have there looks good-but is to simalar to New York..... But the other track there looks like a dream! :eek:

Eww Christchurch! Wellington all the way, we had the V8 street curcuit and we have the Mt Victoria tunnel, awesome!
 
I would love to see bathurst on there,because it's a real fun street corse or Adelaide my home town.
 
I guess in terms of my hometown of Houston, I thought of a course through the Texas Medical Center based on a bus route map. This other idea is a mostly high-speed course that circles the perimeter of Rice University. Now to give you an idea of how the course would look, if you remember GT2, there was the "Rome Circuit." Well, this track around RiceU would be like Rome's Short circuit. Don't believe me? Look at:

http://www.rice.edu

...and look for a space view of Rice University. It looks almost like Rome's Short circuit, only with more woods.

It's unofficial, but I think a trip around another part of the Galleria or the University of Houston would be an interesting idea as well. Or hey, the Sugar Bowl is this Sunday. The winner between OU and LSU will win a chance to have roads outside of/inside of the college in GT4 (and a special LM Race Car representing that college, like in my "GT4 Predictions" topic)! It's a wierd idea, but at least we all can picture city streets and imagine GT racong on those streets, thanks to the inspiration of street circuits in Gran Turismo.

We have creativity. Do you? Reply now.
 
About a chance of the Manx TT course to be run is pretty slim, considering quite possibly PD's greatest effort of cramming as much as possible into GT4. I played all three Gran Turismos as of 1/4/2004. Do you remember Pike's Peak? The original course is about 156 turns, and can be completed in about 10, 15, maybe 20 minutes. The Manx TT racers race a maximum of 6 laps around a 33.6 mile (I suppose that is the length) course. However, I can recall a Sega arcade game (that is LOUD) called "Manx TT." Basically, you race the Isle of Man and the Manx TT, or two alternative courses. Anyhow, I think a lap around the Isle of Man in that game is 1:30 to almost 2:00. If GT4 wanted to bring in the Isle of Man course, then PD would have to travel to the island and map as much of the course as possible, then see what would be into the game. I'm sure they did the same thing to Pike's Peak in GT2, only condense it. And Manx will be condensed as well.

On a second note, it would be interesting to see automobiles tackle road racing (when I mean "road racing," I mean country roads, non-urban areas, that sort of thing). Speed Channel has Motorsport Mundial, and those country roads in Europe basically serve as complete race tracks, like Tokyo highways in the "Tokyo Xtreme Racer" series. If they wanted to use American roads, however, I hear California has some nice backroads. I'm from Texas, but I seen TV shows with cars on those roads in review segments. But Isle of Man? Maybe. In all of its glory? Yes. As long as it is? No.

By the way, if the city has any nice roads, I wonder what results Rio de Janerio, Brazil or Buenos Aires, Argentina, or Caracas, Venezuela (the home of Milka Duno. I heard she's married, but I forgot her new last name).

(http://www.milkaduno.com) should be the website. If not, I'll edit this post with the correct data.
 
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