Cockpits... Are they worth it?

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The other day I found that I had enoguh money to buy a new wheel and as my dfgt made some strange noises I didn't think it twice and bought a t500 rs, now when I push the brake my normal study chair(where I usually race) bends a bit so I can push the pedal 100% now and therefore I'm losing time...

That's what made me think about purchasing a cockpit but before I wanted to ask if one would solve my problem or they bend as well and I should better reduce the pressure needed to brake? If the best idea is to buy one, which ones should I consider? I've seen the playseats and de rseats rs1 but maybe the experts can give me some new options, my budget limit would be 500-600€ but cheaper options would be highly appreciated and considered if they perform efficiently.

Thank you in advance guys
 
I have a playseat and am very happy with it ! (still with DFGT)
You sit in the right angle so your feet are able to feather the pedals ...
Got mine for 250 eur at a local store

I think you mean that your seat bends ... which is not the case with a playseat
It has a stiff construction and a good seat
I'm 1.90m and 90kgs and it supports me very good, it's adjustable for any body length.

(he has a t500 rs :drool:👍)
 
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Yes. Anything that mates the wheel and pedals to the thing you are sitting on is a major plus.
 
I have done my fair share of endurance racing on office chair and desktop setup. The pro is the pain will keep you awake the last 30 minutes of a 2h endurance ;)

desktop setups can be quite sturdy so you could just get a nice solid racing seat perhaps and somehow connect it to your pedals with some plywood plank or something if estetics is not overly important to fix your seat.

Cockpit is the way to go if you can afford it and have the space. Nixim Racecraft GT is the best purchase I did though it´s an investment but it´s not like it´s ever going to brake. I wished I got this before I tried the cheaper options.
 
mrbasher
Yes. Anything that mates the wheel and pedals to the thing you are sitting on is a major plus.
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AlvaroF
Yes. And I recomend going DIY as I did. It's a totally different immersion
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Echo that. :)

I had a Wheel Stand with Car Seat before I built my own rig. Difference is night and day.

DIY is nice, but I also have a three hardcore Sim friends that love their Obutto's...
...seems to be very good bang for the buck. 👍 👍
 
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JogoAsobi
Echo that. :)

I had a Wheel Stand with Car Seat before I built my own rig. Difference is night and day.

DIY is nice, but I also have a three hardcore Sim friends that love their Obutto's...
...seems to be very good bang for the buck. 👍 👍
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The problem is that even if I had some blueprints I don't have neither the tools necessary to build the chassis nor the place to do all the work... So my best option is to buy one or ask someone to build it for me...

My thoughts during this day are if the difference in prices between the rseat rs1 or the playseat is matched to the difference in performance though... Does anybody know someone who owns the rs1?
 
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what is the true difference between wheelstand and cockpit?
since i started sim racing i been always with cockpit
wonder how stable it is if we compare to cockpit
ISR showed GT Omega wheel stand and they surprisingly find it as sturdy enough
 
ultimate
what is the true difference between wheelstand and cockpit?
since i started sim racing i been always with cockpit
wonder how stable it is if we compare to cockpit
ISR showed GT Omega wheel stand and they surprisingly find it as sturdy enough
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the difference is that the wheelstand doesn't attach the pedals and the steering wheel to the sit while the cockpit does, the issue of pedals not being attached to the sit is that they can move far from you initial position and you lose comfort among other things..
 
jtoribio94
The other day I found that I had enoguh money to buy a new wheel and as my dfgt made some strange noises I didn't think it twice and bought a t500 rs, now when I push the brake my normal study chair(where I usually race) bends a bit so I can push the pedal 100% now and therefore I'm losing time...

That's what made me think about purchasing a cockpit but before I wanted to ask if one would solve my problem or they bend as well and I should better reduce the pressure needed to brake? If the best idea is to buy one, which ones should I consider? I've seen the playseats and de rseats rs1 but maybe the experts can give me some new options, my budget limit would be 500-600€ but cheaper options would be highly appreciated and considered if they perform efficiently.

Thank you in advance guys
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CSL Seat is nice RIG and much cheaper than some others although you find some CONS (see CSL thread, couple threads below yours)
 
Depends on what you consider "worth it" as I don't think I'd spend the THOUSANDS some people drop on their rigs... but I CAN see WHY they do it. I think it adds enough to the experience tho that if you can find one for YOUR budget it's a worthy purchase.
 
A GOOD rig is really worth it! The important thing is ergonomics. A lot of lower end rigs are not that comfortable over long driving periods. And I've sat in some DIY rigs where I wondered what the people were thinking when they made it (and they a real racing people!).

My personal choice is the Human Racing GT Chassis. Yes it is at the expensive end of sim rigs, but the ergonomics are world class for a race car :)

Choose wisely, and try before you buy ;)
 
pilmat
A GOOD rig is really worth it! The important thing is ergonomics. A lot of lower end rigs are not that comfortable over long driving periods. And I've sat in some DIY rigs where I wondered what the people were thinking when they made it (and they a real racing people!).

My personal choice is the Human Racing GT Chassis. Yes it is at the expensive end of sim rigs, but the ergonomics are world class for a race car :)

Choose wisely, and try before you buy ;)
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Is that a DIY rig in your signature?
HRC Ergonomics: This is absolutely correct.
I myself tried out an HRC before I built my rig.

When I built my rig, I was lucky enough to have access to a Lotus Exhige setup for the track.
So I based my fully adjustable 80/20 rigs' ergonomics & measurements off of that.
My rig cost about half of what a fully decked out HRC runs, but its not as pretty.

As important as ergonomics are...I have seen people with very basic setups run circles around those who have thrown boatloads of cash at their rigs. Some of the GTA finalists rigs/setups I have seen have been very rudimentary.

So ergonomics certainly adds to immersion and comfort, but its not the end-all for faster times. :sly:
The answer to the question; "is it worth it" will depend on your priorities, and the thickness of your wallet.
 
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What would you value more. Being a tenth faster or having a good back when you get older :)

Real cars are compromises you are not always getting the best ergonomics on those. I am amazed how bad the ergonomics is sometimes in standard cars that is supposedly built for comfort. I am not extremly tall 187 cm tall. Then we take race cars where drivers are put in positions where they hardly can see the road and in very unnatural position for best CG that is way worse :)

The best cockpits is simply those that let you adjust everything they will work for all. And rigidness rigidness rigidness. It´s very special sitting in a solid steel cockpit. Not thick wood, not thick aluminium profiles solid thick steel which never ever give way :)
 
oqvist
What would you value more. Being a tenth faster or having a good back when you get older :)

Real cars are compromises you are not always getting the best ergonomics on those. I am amazed how bad the ergonomics is sometimes in standard cars that is supposedly built for comfort. I am not extremly tall 187 cm tall. Then we take race cars where drivers are put in positions where they hardly can see the road and in very unnatural position for best CG that is way worse :)

The best cockpits is simply those that let you adjust everything they will work for all. And rigidness rigidness rigidness. It´s very special sitting in a solid steel cockpit. Not thick wood, not thick aluminium profiles solid thick steel which never ever give way :)
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So oqvist what kind of rig do you have?
 
Yes, that "desk" style design is very sturdy, but can be constricting.
I think that is why rigs like the HRC and rSeat are attractive to some.

Pic of your Nixim somewhere on GTP?
If there is, I guess I missed it, thats why I asked.
 
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JogoAsobi
Is that a DIY rig in your signature?
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Yes :) My first rig! It was OK for ergonomics but the biggest issue was the centre post. It has had a DF Pro, a MS wheel and finally a G27 on it. After getting my HRC, I passed the rig on and it is still in use. I drove with it at Christmas for my first taste of GT6.

The HRC is world class, as I'm sure yours is. Once you taste the benefits of sitting comfortably, you will build it into your own rig.

You also make a good point about speed. Speed comes from good driving habits and constantly analyzing our driving, not from our rig! I know guys that make me look quite amateur with a DFGT :D
 

ISR find it quite sturdy but also find some wobbles/bounces
i am wondering, i have CSL Seat but worried about pedals support stability overall which provide rotation
and this GT Omega Wheel Stand sounds to me quite sturdy overall
small wobbles, is that annoying when you have heavy wheels such as CSW?
 
More than wobble the issue with wheel stands can be "lift off" during hard transitions.
You can minimize that by adding some kind of ballast to the wheel stand.
I used a wheel stand for a couple of years before I built my rig.
 
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ISR find it quite sturdy but also find some wobbles/bounces
i am wondering, i have CSL Seat but worried about pedals support stability overall which provide rotation
and this GT Omega Wheel Stand sounds to me quite sturdy overall
small wobbles, is that annoying when you have heavy wheels such as CSW?
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I have the GT Omega, Worth getting if you're not after a full rig, It wobbles a little but i never notice it when using it only when my friends use
 
DIY - I used an aluminium ladder for the chassis

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JogoAsobi
Yes, that "desk" style design is very sturdy, but can be constricting.
I think that is why rigs like the HRC and rSeat are attractive to some.

Pic of your Nixim somewhere on GTP?
If there is, I guess I missed it, thats why I asked.
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Dunno been some years since I posted that if so but very possible.

As for constricting I don´t quite understand what you mean?
 

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