COD4 vs KILLZONE 2

What is the better game in graphics & gameplay


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Well it's still not much better - KZ2 definitely has superior graphics and CoD 4 definitely has superior gameplay. :)
 
Well it's still not much better - KZ2 definitely has superior graphics and CoD 4 definitely has superior gameplay. :)
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I like the gameplay of Modern Warfare, but Killzone 2 got my vote. Game really grabbed my attention.
 
Killzone2

in COD4.. hmm you see a lamp on table , can you shoot and destroy it .. NO...
 
After Killzone 2, I find it hard to go back to COD4. Everything seems so trite in COD4: from how the weapons work to the movement. And then there's the graphics- the PS3 version of COD4 is probably the least desired of the three and it shows. It's not a bad looking game but after being exposed to KZ2, you begin to notice the warts in COD4.
 
in COD4.. hmm you see a lamp on table , can you shoot and destroy it .. NO...

Well that's a fail on a 'no reverse lights' scale isn't it :rolleyes:


And then there's the graphics- the PS3 version of COD4 is probably the least desired of the three and it shows. It's not a bad looking game but after being exposed to KZ2, you begin to notice the warts in COD4.

That depends on what sort of display you play it on. It might look great on a nice big HD display, but on an average sized SD screen i've found (the demo) it to be incredibly hard to see what's going on, even playing in a dark room. I won't even consider trying it again during daylight hours.
 
This is a bit of a silly poll isn't it? KZ2 took four years to make (and an almost bottomless pit of money), COD4 only took 2 years (on a far smaller budget). I'm sure if IW spent that much time (and money) making a game, then we wouldn't even be having this conversation (becasue the answer would be as obvious then as as it is now).

KZ2. I find it more realistic than COD4 like the lagg you have when you move your weapon.

Realistic? You can't go prone on KZ2, any shooter worth its salt lets you go prone! And, there IS lag when you move your gun in COD4. Try swinging an RPD or M60 around then try an Uzi or a scorpion, do you see?

One thing I found totally unrealistic with KZ2 is that they can fly to far off distant planets, but they still only use 20th century weaponry? WTF?

If you REALLY want to know if KZ2 is better than COD4, wait 2 years, and see if there are still millions of people playing it. COD4 has seen off all and sundry, as will MW2 will do the same when it gets here. 👍

I will say that IW will need to up the anti in the graphics department. Gameplay-wise though, IW have it nailed. 👍

Besides that, the statistics for COD4 say it all.

#1 FPS of all time.
#1 game of 2007 (most units sold)
#2 game of all time in the USA
Over 11 million units sold, and growing.
 
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This is a bit of a silly poll isn't it? KZ2 took four years to make (and an almost bottomless pit of money), COD4 only took 2 years (on a far smaller budget). I'm sure if IW spent that much time (and money) making a game, then we wouldn't even be having this conversation (becasue the answer would be as obvious then as as it is now).



Realistic? You can't go prone on KZ2, any shooter worth its salt lets you go prone! And, there IS lag when you move your gun in COD4. Try swinging an RPD or M60 around then try an Uzi or a scorpion, do you see?

One thing I found totally unrealistic with KZ2 is that they can fly to far off distant planets, but they still only use 20th century weaponry? WTF?

If you REALLY want to know if KZ2 is better than COD4, wait 2 years, and see if there are still millions of people playing it. COD4 has seen off all and sundry, as will MW2 will do the same when it gets here. 👍

I will say that IW will need to up the anti in the graphics department. Gameplay-wise though, IW have it nailed. 👍

Besides that, the statistics for COD4 say it all.

#1 FPS of all time.
#1 game of 2007 (most units sold)
#2 game of all time in the USA
Over 11 million units sold, and growing.

CoD4 is still being played because it's an easy shooter to play.

Either way, both games suck online.
 
I'd take COD4 simply because, in my opinion, it's easier. I found that out just by playing a Killzone 2 DEMO.
 
Reventón;3348216
#1 FPS? I find that hard to believe when games like Counter Strike are still being played nine years later.

Well, that's what it says on their website, unless IW are telling fibs now...
 
KZ2. Cloaking suit + sniper rifle + super long range radar scan beam = win! I am sorry, but for that and that alone I like KZ2 more.
 
Have you any clue in how big CS was/is ? Its maybe #1 right now, but no way they beat CS overall..

Yeah, I know how big CS is, I was just quoting what was said on their website. 👍
 
Well, that's what it says on their website, unless IW are telling fibs now...
So because InfinityWard says that about their own game, that means its true? ModernWarfare is a great game, I'll give it that, but there's no way it's the #1 FPS of all time. Half-Life 2 spewed that when it came out as did Halo. That hardly meant it was true because there's no actual guidelines as to what dictates what is the #1 FPS.
 
Reventón;3349096
So because InfinityWard says that about their own game, that means its true? ModernWarfare is a great game, I'll give it that, but there's no way it's the #1 FPS of all time. Half-Life 2 spewed that when it came out as did Halo. That hardly meant it was true because there's no actual guidelines as to what dictates what is the #1 FPS.

Well, are they going to lie? Go on, take a look, it takes pride of place in the bottom right corner of their home page. I'm sure that if there was a problem with that statement, then they would of had to take it down.

I've don a little investigation, and I have found out these figures:

Counterstirke (all incarnations): 10.5 million copies sold. (source). Individually the best selling version of Counterstrike (Counterstrike), only sold 4.2 million copies.

Half Life 2 (all incarnations): 7.9 million copies sold (source). Individually the best selling Half-Life 2 (Half-Life 2), game only sold 6.5 million copies.

Halo: 5 million copies sold (source).

Call of Duty 4:Modern Warfare: 11+ Million copies. (source).

Just in case your in any doubt about it, here is an article on C:NET about the matter Call of Duty 4 Hits 10 million units sold.

It is interesting to note too that that article was written in June 2008, so the actual number of copies sold is much higher, or as IW's website states 11+ million! It also says in that article that COD4 is one of only 10 games in the last eight years to reach that target. 👍 The other nine were probably Nintendo games! :lol: The article also muses as to what the actual figure would of been if IW had released it on the Wii too! :lol:

Call Of Duty 4:Modern Warfare IS the #1 FPS of all time. If yo have any information to the contrary, please feel free to post it. 👍

Who wants to place bets that MW2 will be the fastest selling game of all time?
 
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Who decided that sales makes a game the best in it's genre, the #1 will change from person to person and will always be an opinated matter. Not to mention the various platforms that COD spans which is bound to increase sales figures. CS is PC only, Halo is Xbox only, KZ2 is PS3 only, to compare any or all based on purely sales figures is a bit of a lost cause. If it's going to be a sales comparison, then at least PS3 sales should be compared for both COD4 and KZ2, but this still wouldn't be a fair comparison as people who haven't bought a certain game can't say that the one they've bought is better.

They should be compared on gameplay, graphics, story, immersion and all the other things that makes you play a game, not buy it. Brand power alone probably sells more games then anything else (COD: WaW was guaranteed sales success due to COD4, NFS games still sell plenty despite poor quality up until most recently) but it's only once you have actually bought the game that you can really gauge it's worth and quality.
 
Who decided that sales makes a game the best in it's genre, the #1 will change from person to person and will always be an opinated matter. Not to mention the various platforms that COD spans which is bound to increase sales figures. CS is PC only, Halo is Xbox only, KZ2 is PS3 only, to compare any or all based on purely sales figures is a bit of a lost cause. If it's going to be a sales comparison, then at least PS3 sales should be compared for both COD4 and KZ2, but this still wouldn't be a fair comparison as people who haven't bought a certain game can't say that the one they've bought is better.

They should be compared on gameplay, graphics, story, immersion and all the other things that makes you play a game, not buy it. Brand power alone probably sells more games then anything else (COD: WaW was guaranteed sales success due to COD4, NFS games still sell plenty despite poor quality up until most recently) but it's only once you have actually bought the game that you can really gauge it's worth and quality.

Sales DO make the game the #1 FPS game of all time. In every other consumer market, sales are used to determine how good something actually is, why is it any different with video games? If the game was rubbish, no one would buy it, or have gamers got that bad a judgement? If they have, then the same could apply to KZ2.

COD4 has won countless awards for its gameplay and story line (the most recent was a BAFTA award), and it is still selling strong nearly two years after it was released. There are few games that have had the success that COD4 has had, and even fewer this generation. Even if you just take into account the 360 sales alone, (7.19 million), the game can still be rightly counted as the #1 FPS of all time.

I've had a long running battle with DN regarding the PS3 on similar grounds, and his defence (which is correct), is that the PS3 is doing well because of its sales. Whether I think the PS3 is good or not, is of little consequence, and as I will point out to you to the same applies. Sales mean everything, particularaly in an industry where statistics are poured over for every concieveable thing, whether it be your K/D ratio, your lap times, games sales or brand power.

Just because you personally don't like the game is of little consequence, and it goes against the consensus of those that do (something else DN keeps pointing out to me). 👍

And, also, who cares? I didn't buy CoD because i thought it was "#1".

Exactly, neither did I! 👍
 
Counterstirke (all incarnations): 10.5 million copies sold. (source). Individually the best selling version of Counterstrike (Counterstrike), only sold 4.2 million copies.

Half Life 2 (all incarnations): 7.9 million copies sold (source). Individually the best selling Half-Life 2 (Half-Life 2), game only sold 6.5 million copies.
As stated in those articles (and many others), these numbers do not include the copies sold through STEAM. And sales on STEAM surpasses the retail sales. :) I think it's safe to say it sold way more than 11 million copies, even though we cannot verify that without STEAM's actual sales figures.

Still, CoD4 sold 11+ million in only 2 years, I am pretty sure they will not beat that, even without knowing the STEAM figures. ;)

That said, I consider CoD4 to be more of a mainstream game, thus appealing to more people. I think KZ2 is a little gem and the KZ franchise is something that can grow into something really nice. :) GG is a developer (unlike IW, remember the screwed up online and party invite system, anyone?) that actually listens to its community, which, IMO, gives it a great advantage. Also keep in mind that a KZ game will NEVER sell as many copies as games like CoD4 unless it goes multiplatform.
 
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Sales DO make the game the #1 FPS game of all time. In every other consumer market, sales are used to determine how good something actually is, why is it any different with video games? If the game was rubbish, no one would buy it, or have gamers got that bad a judgement? If they have, then the same could apply to KZ2.

So by that logic, if you asked which car looked better (graphics) and performed better (gameplay), the Yugo would win over the Enzo based on sales??? :odd:


I've had a long running battle with DN regarding the PS3 on similar grounds, and his defence (which is correct), is that the PS3 is doing well because of its sales. Whether I think the PS3 is good or not, is of little consequence, and as I will point out to you to the same applies. Sales mean everything, particularaly in an industry where statistics are poured over for every concieveable thing, whether it be your K/D ratio, your lap times, games sales or brand power.

Apples and oranges. Sales tell you you which has sold more... not which is better.

Not only that, but just as in our previous discussions regarding sales figures, it is a huge mistake to just look at numbers and not take the time to understand the meaning behind the numbers and how to properly compare them to gain any meaning from them... and to then post numbers without such clarification can be extremely misleading... which is where our disagreements were fostered.

As others have pointed out, comparing total sales figures for a game that only recently was released and to a limited market, versus a game that was released over a year ago to multiple platforms isn't going to tell you anything as far as which game is better... Heck, even without that, sales still aren't going to tell you which is better, only which sells the most.

After all, how many EA games have sold millions of copies yet received overall poor reviews from both critics and consumers.... the last few Need For Speed games are great example of this.

So no, just because a game sells better than another, in no way infers it's better... it just means it sold more copies.

This is also why you'll find countless articles and threads about "overrated" and "underrated" or "overlooked" games, movies, cars, etc.
 
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Apples and oranges. Sales tell you you which has sold more... not which is better.

Exactly, there is no definate best because not everyone will think it's the best, the purpose of this poll is to see overall what do GTP users prefer of KZ2 and COD4, not to find out which is best.

It is unlikely that opinions will all agree, so it's silly someone going on sales if they wanted to know which they'd like most, otherwise let's all go sell our PS3s and buy a Wii. I know I'm not selling my PS3...
 
Sales DO make the game the #1 FPS game of all time. In every other consumer market, sales are used to determine how good something actually is, why is it any different with video games? If the game was rubbish, no one would buy it, or have gamers got that bad a judgement? If they have, then the same could apply to KZ2.
That's complete & utter rubbish. By that logic, if we all went out & bought Duke Nukem, that would suddenly make it the #1 FPS of all time despite weak gameplay & no innovative features?
 
Digital-Nitrate
So by that logic, if you asked which car looked better (graphics) and performed better (gameplay), the Yugo would win over the Enzo based on sales??? :odd:

I take it your saying KZ2 has the graphics then, and COD4 has the gameplay yes? I think you answered your own question. For me gameplay wins every time! 👍

Apples and oranges. Sales tell you you which has sold more... not which is better.

True, but sales can also say which has sold more AND which is better. Or are you saying that every game that has good sales is inferior to another game?

Digital-Nitrate
So no, just because a game sells better than another, in no way infers it's better... it just means it sold more copies.

Surely though, there must come a point when you realise that sales DO mean a game is good. 11+ million copies sold is an astounding achievement for any non-Nintendo game, and in less than two years two! There cannot be many franchises that have racked up that tally.

Reventón;3349577
That's complete & utter rubbish. By that logic, if we all went out & bought Duke Nukem, that would suddenly make it the #1 FPS of all time despite weak gameplay & no innovative features?

First of all, you need to get a command of the English language. Look again at what I just said:

Myself
Sales DO make the game the #1 FPS game of all time.

Do you understand? COD4 is the #1 FPS based on sales (that's was what I was saying). And yes if everyone was stupid enough to go out and buy Duke Nukem (and it surpassed COD4 in sales), then that game could arguably be called the #1 FPS of all time (based on sales). I'm almost certain that that is what IW were claiming, and I provided evidence to prove their claim correct. 👍

Don't get me wrong, I was as surprised as you were when I discovered IW's claim, but that's not to say because I though COD4 was a bad game, just that it didn't realise that it had done THAT well.

Digital-Nitrate
As others have pointed out, comparing total sales figures for a game that only recently was released and to a limited market, versus a game that was released over a year ago to multiple platforms isn't going to tell you anything as far as which game is better...

Which begs the question, what was the point of this poll in the first place?
 
I take it your saying KZ2 has the graphics then, and COD4 has the gameplay yes? I think you answered your own question. For me gameplay wins every time! 👍

See Magburner, this is why I have had issues with some of the posts you have made... how you managed to take what I said and turned that around to say that you take that I am saying COD4 has better gameplay is beyond me, and lacks both logic and common sense. :ouch:


True, but sales can also say which has sold more AND which is better. Or are you saying that every game that has good sales is inferior to another game?

No, and are you saying every game that has good sales is superior to another game?

Now do you see the flaw in your logic?

Just because something sells well in no way determines whether or not it's better than something that doesn't sell as well... it truly is as simple as that, and I feel badly for anyone mislead into buying something simply because many people have bought it... only to find out it is, as you say, rubbish. :indiff:... and no I'm not saying COD4 is rubbish, in fact I feel quite the opposite, but that has nothing to do with the fallacy of claiming one game is better than another, or is the best FPS game based on sales. It's an absurd assumption to make.
 
Digital-Nitrate
See Magburner, this is why I have had issues with some of the posts you have made... how you managed to take what I said and turned that around to say that you take that I am saying COD4 has better gameplay is beyond me, and lacks both logic and common sense. :ouch:

I could say the same about you (see below), though I will admit I was taking some liberties with your poor analogy. :lol: Come on you made a comparison of two cars, one was supposed to represent graphics, and the other gameplay.

Take another look at what you said:

Digital-Nitrate
So by that logic, if you asked which car looked better (graphics) and performed better (gameplay), the Yugo would win over the Enzo based on sales??? :odd:

If you had used a Lambourghini in stead of a Yugo, the statement might of made a little more sense, and it would be in keeping with what you were trying to say (about how good something is based on perception). There is no perception between a Yugo and an Enzo Ferrari, because they are so different, or 'apples and oranges' as you'd say.

Digital-Nitrate
No, and are you saying every game that has good sales is superior to another game?

No, I'm not. But a game with good sales says something about it. Games don't sell if they are rubbish (look at Haze), and they certainly don't sell 11+ million copies if they are rubbish! It is the sheer quantity of sales I was trying to make a point about, not that a game is good just based on sales.

Digital-Nitrate
Just because something sells well in no way determines whether or not it's better than something that doesn't sell as well... it truly is as simple as that, and I feel badly for anyone mislead into buying something simply because many people have bought it...

I couldn't of known how well COD4 was going to sell, because I brought it on the day of release. Back then, it just looked like and interesting FPS.

Digital-Nitrate
... and no I'm not saying COD4 is rubbish, in fact I feel quite the opposite, but that has nothing to do with the fallacy of claiming one game is better than another, or is the best FPS game based on sales. It's an absurd assumption to make.

:lol: There you go twisting what I said! I never suggested that COD4 was the #1 FPS based on gameplay, just sales. I provided the evidence that that was the case. Why do you insist on trying to say that I said otherwise?

I will ask you again then. What was the point of having a poll asking which game (COD4 or KZ2) was better, when you have just said 'but that has nothing to do with the fallacy of claiming one game is better than another'?

The whole point of the poll WAS to find out which game was better.

If you have a problem with the '#1 FPS of all time' title, then you should take it up with IW, I am only echoing what they have stated. I doubt a high profile company like IW are going to blatantly lie about something that isn't true, AND have the cheek to post it up on their webpage for everyone to see. 👍
 
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