Combating forza 4

[Hilts]

If all they did was add the 24 missing tracks I would be very happy.

 

[SonicWagon]

PD should defiantly make use of the Drift mode in A-spec. Have other AI drifting, or try to beat other AI's drift's. 👍

Drifting is stupid IMO, IRL and in game. I am so glad PD left it out of A-spec.

 

[xXDoc187Xx]

If you have both consoles you have 1.) Too much money. 2.) Too much time. 3.) No life.

I have both consoles and no I dont have

1. "Too much money" having too "much" money had nothing to do with it. I didn't dish out $1000 plus tax on my PS3 and Xbox360. As i just bought my PS3 last year for only $200 and had my Xbox since 06

2."Too much time" Really? how did you come up with this ?

3. "No Life" LOL I'm married with 3 kids and enjoying life.

Back to topic

What GT5 needs is a facelift in A-Spec race events
i.e the Beginers Series should be nothing but races with restrictions on cars using cars like lightweight cars under 160HP having 5-12 lap races on every track and ending the series off with 1 endurance race.

And have the same concept for each series using higher perfomance cars.

And have a Series wheres its only champonship races only

 

[SonicWagon]

No.. it is a legitimate assumption.

No it is not.

 

[JoeMaPampang]

If all they did was add the 24 missing tracks I would be very happy.

IMO in think that would be more than enough for GT5 too take some shine away from Forza 4.

Photo mode in gt5 can be photo realistic.
Doubt forza can do that. Although I don't actally know myself. Never had the need to get it.
I do know forza in game graphics suck.
Everyone I know has said forza is easy compared to gt5. Which is good for gt5.
Gt5 uses the same physics model for drifting and racing. Because its a good one. Forza can't do that.
I imagine forza 4 will have better track list. Car list. Mod list. Feature list. But will have different physics for drifting and racing still. Because the model is crap.
Graphics will be ok. Probably have to many effects to compensate for poor in game rendering.
But will look nice.
Damage will be good also I bet.
Gt5 will still be the more pure game. The more realistic. The game of choice for sim racers that want better graphics.
But forza 4 will definitely be a better GAME, by a long way.

On subject, gt5 needs more features that go around the nice "base" it has. It looks like a completely and utterly amazing UNFINISHED game.

Looks good enough for me

Sorry; i have to dissagree;
I own and have played both games extensivly.

Graphics:
Yes the premium cars look a lot better. But the tracks, environments and standard cars all look less good then they do in FM3. Adding to that the fact that FM3 has no screentears, no jagged edges, no framerate drops, no shadowbugs, very few environmental glitches; makes me say; the graphics (except for the premium models) are better in FM3.

forza is easy compared to gt5
Forza can be made as easy or as difficult as you want it to be. A nice comparison: when you need to do a rece in FM3 where you need to drive the same (stock!) car as your apponents and the difficulty level is set to hard; you need some (serious) skills to get to the front of the pack. In gt5 i would easily win all of those races because of the terrible AI drivers. Now im not saying the AI in FM3 was all that, but they were better then in gt5. So; in my opinion gt5 was easier. I do admit that FM3 does not have stuff like the vettel challenges that really require some serious skill..


Conclusion: we all have stuff we like, and stuff we dont like in FM3 and GT5. Fact is i like to enjoy both games... But there is a lot of room for improvement in both games...

Well said.
+1:tup:

 

[C_Raccoon23]

No.. it is a legitimate assumption.

I fail to see how being fortunate enough to enjoy both Forza and GT mean either of those three things.

 

[bSUPERSPORT]

No it is not.

Because..... im waiting.....

I fail to see how being fortunate enough to enjoy both Forza and GT mean either of those three things.

And what are THOSE three things?

 

[Devedander]

I often visit a game's site while I'm playing a game (who plays a game 24/7?) but very seldom after I've done with it so your post makes less sense.

Well I was just responding to the logic in the post that I quoted... dd you check the context...

DAVE[/COLOR][/FONT]



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Well said. I just

Those guys don't seem to think the logic is so flawed...

 

[GTOne2Three]

Drifting is stupid IMO, IRL and in game. I am so glad PD left it out of A-spec.

why do you think it's stupid?

 

[zr1chris]

Again, the Platinum Hits edition of FM3 that you purchased included:
*all of the monthly DLC released by T10
*10 additional cars advertised as new, but some were repeats with liveries
*A Top Gear video
*Three additional new cars advertised as a 'Stig's Garage Pack.' They aren't the unicorn cars, btw.

That's great for you, but for others like JoeMa and myself who already had the game and likely most if not all of the DLC, it was a bit of a 'So what?' To make matters worse, we could not buy the extra content separately. Like JoeMa said, we would have had to buy the Platinum Hits just like you did, which would mean buying the game all over again.

Turn10 mishandled things by not making the content available as DLC, especially after setting the community up with a 'We've got big news for you guys!' announcement. It really didn't matter to the community at all, because they already had the game.

We're just hoping that if PD tries to release some new content to steal attention from FM4, that their execution of the plan will be better than Turn10's.

Im the one that has game and i had purchased all the DLC already. Not JoeMa. Im the one that didnt want to buy the game again for 3 cars that i didnt already have.

 

[zr1chris]

Dude it actually makes a lot of sense.


i agree their was a lot of **** on the Forza forum about this. But when i finally bought my copy it was worth every penny i paid for it.

-btw i never said the Stig's carpack were Unicorns
-I did receive about 30 gift cars together with 6 unicorn cars on top of the new 150+ cars. that makes this game 550 cars.

You got 150 cars more cuz you hadnt bought all the DLC up to that point like i did. I had bought all the DLC until then. The only advantage to me buying the game again would have been to get 3 cars.

 

[mcm127]

That first paragraph sounds very foolish and childish of you. If you put it that way then no game should ever receive DLC because with your logic "It should have been their in the beginning". But like you said it's a matter of opinion.








DAVE



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I think you're missing my point guy, what I mean is that these features should have been included in the game upon release, those things a lot of you guys would settle on aren't DLC content to me, I know this is a racing forum, but the best example is this.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 was a great game, when it came out they announced they would be giving people free map packs (DLC right? Yep.) NONE of it was *NEW* content, it was the same map with a different game mode added to it.. That's not DLC, that is data that is already on the disc that should be unlocked when you spend $60 for the freaking game.

If Kaz wants to put DLC out for GT5 I'm all for it and I'd buy it straight away, but it had better be DLC, new freaking content, not content that was in the game but removed because they were crunched for a release date....

That's all I'm trying to say, it would be extremely disappointing if they made GT5 Spec II in my opinion.. That's just garbage.

 

[SonicWagon]

Because..... im waiting.....

Keep waiting.

 

[SonicWagon]

why do you think it's stupid?

Okay stupid was the wrong way to say it, It just doesn't do anything for me. Im glad that some people enjoy it, and I am also glad that I was not forced to do it by PD.

 

[bSUPERSPORT]

I think you're missing my point guy, what I mean is that these features should have been included in the game upon release, those things a lot of you guys would settle on aren't DLC content to me,

Kaz wants to put DLC out for GT5 I'm all for it and I'd buy it straight away, but it had better be DLC, new freaking content, not content that was in the game but removed because they were crunched for a release date....

That's all I'm trying to say, it would be extremely disappointing if they made GT5 Spec II in my opinion.. That's just garbage.

Umm the example doesn't relate. The game atm doesn't need new content as you are describing, the glitches and gameplay should be streamlined first. Kaz said no new cars would be included for some time (GT6),24 old tracks could be put and in game saves. But you are not thinking logically and just ranting like a terrier.

 

[nick45502]

I have absoultely nothing to compare GT5 to. I've never palyed any other version of GT ot FM series. I was an old Papyrus Nascar player in the early 2000's and that's my history of racing sims.

I can say that I enjoy GT5 overall but the menus and navigation literally suck. I'm pissed that I can't access my garage in practice mode. If I want to do a comparision of 3 LMP cars at a specific track I have to go completely back to the main menu. Thats poor design.

I'd love to see them add more US road courses. Road Atlanta, Sebring, Road America, VIR, Mid Ohio, Watkins Glen, Sonoma, the old riverside, etc.

I agree. I live in Ohio, so I would love to see Mid-Ohio featured in the game. The navigation is too complicated in some areas and I would like to see a couple more features in the online section, but other than that, I feel that PD just needs to sell more copies than FM4 because, and I know this is a fact, there is usually one reason people buy the crap Microsoft, HALO.

 

[cuco33]

Naw PD unfortunately isn't threatened by Forza whatsoever. I can tell you why in two words:

Racing Wheels

Xbox 360 is barren, desolate, and hostile to racing wheels. Only 2 choice is Fanatec GT2 (like $500 with clubsports, $300 with standard pedals or shifter) & Mad Catz Mc2 (cheap, no shifter, no FFB, & vastly inferior to a budget Logitech DFGT in every way possible from what I can tell).

Think bout it- GT5/PS3 has an abundance of racing accessories. Surely GT5 outsells Forza 3 by a wide margin? Why would PD be worried??? I wish PD was worried. I do. Forza 3 is a superior 'game' (but not superior sim due to physics and wheels).

All you got on xbox 360 is a Fanatec GT2. They got a monopoly on that market. They can charge what they want and make you wait for many months for their products.

If you want the full experience, you will want a racing game on PS3. GT5 fits that bill for many

So what does PD have to do to fight Forza 4?? Nothing, sadly not a darn thing. I wish PD would be threatened and sparked into action. I really do!

The issue lies with Microsoft, not T10 just as if the same were true on the other camp it'd be Sony's doing and not PDs. T10 can want every wheel to work but that's on MS to allow it via the HID/XID system and licensing. I've said more than my share on why I want MS to open up 3rd party wheel support. Technically there are 5 wheels you can use with Forza on a 360. 3 of them are discontinued (original Logitech FX, MS's wheel, and Fanatec's Turbo S) whereas 2 are now actively sold (Madcrapz and Fanatec's GT2). I'd still want open support so I can use my Logi or other wheels. I'm hoping a bomb is dropped on this since it's the 1 thing most core fans want. And it's something that MS can get GT/Sony fans to 'come over to the dark side'.

If you want a full experience, I hate to say this but go on PC. All the wheels work, multiscreen displays, better audio, track/car selection, better physics. The graphics dept is where it's late on but rFactor2 and GTR3 might change that, not that it looks bad now. If you want to stick with consoles then it can be cheaper going GT5 + PS3 + wheel.

Game vs game, GT has a lot to finish on (and catch up on) when compared to Forza. We don't know what FM4 has so we'll see with time. And we don't know what will be patched with GT5 so that too we'll see with time.

 

[porsche 9146]

Photo mode in gt5 can be photo realistic.
Doubt forza can do that. Although I don't actally know myself. Never had the need to get it.
I do know forza in game graphics suck.
Everyone I know has said forza is easy compared to gt5. Which is good for gt5.
Gt5 uses the same physics model for drifting and racing. Because its a good one. Forza can't do that.
I imagine forza 4 will have better track list. Car list. Mod list. Feature list. But will have different physics for drifting and racing still. Because the model is crap.
Graphics will be ok. Probably have to many effects to compensate for poor in game rendering.
But will look nice.
Damage will be good also I bet.
Gt5 will still be the more pure game. The more realistic. The game of choice for sim racers that want better graphics.
But forza 4 will definitely be a better GAME, by a long way.

On subject, gt5 needs more features that go around the nice "base" it has. It looks like a completely and utterly amazing UNFINISHED game.

FM3's not exactly a bad looking game. it's not GT5 on a "premium track" with "premium cars", but it's better on average than GT5 (mostly because it doesn't have "standard" cars or tracks). FM has ALWAYS had the same physics model for drifting and racing, I have no idea why you've ever thought otherwise.

making assumptions on the quality of a game that's barely even been shown to the public yet is a bad idea.

 

[Zoom!Zoom!]

Well I was just responding to the logic in the post that I quoted... dd you check the context...





Those guys don't seem to think the logic is so flawed...

Your statement was "Ironically, if GT5 had been better, you would be playing GT5 and not reading forums... thus resulting in just what you desire... not seeing his posts anymore" which seems the exact opposite would be true. That is the better Gt5 is the more people will visit GTP forums not less.

 

[Devedander]

Your statement was "Ironically, if GT5 had been better, you would be playing GT5 and not reading forums... thus resulting in just what you desire... not seeing his posts anymore" which seems the exact opposite would be true. That is the better Gt5 is the more people will visit GTP forums not less.

And if you read the post I was responding to you would see his logic was if forza 4 was good enough the other guy would be so busy playing he wouldnt have time to post here anymore.

In reality both being good and bad can cause increased forum traffic.

 

[MalikJohnson56]

The car customization is one of the things that I really liked and spent time with when I played Forza 1 many moons ago. I always wished that the GT series would allow more for that though I would gladly live wihout it if it affected the racing or gameplay.

 

[J-KiLLA24]

Graphics:
Yes the premium cars look a lot better. But the tracks, environments and standard cars all look less good then they do in FM3. Adding to that the fact that FM3 has no screentears, no jagged edges, no framerate drops, no shadowbugs, very few environmental glitches; makes me say; the graphics (except for the premium models) are better in FM3.

Well you can only drive 8 cars in forza 3 and there isn't weather effects and day/night transitions in forza either. Those are the main reasons why there are screentears and framerate drops in gt5 in the first place. Plus I find that some/most of the tracks and cars in forza look kinda cartoon-ish...

 

[sandboxgod]

The issue lies with Microsoft, not T10 just as if the same were true on the other camp it'd be Sony's doing and not PDs. T10 can want every wheel to work but that's on MS to allow it via the HID/XID system and licensing. I've said more than my share on why I want MS to open up 3rd party wheel support. Technically there are 5 wheels you can use with Forza on a 360. 3 of them are discontinued (original Logitech FX, MS's wheel, and Fanatec's Turbo S) whereas 2 are now actively sold (Madcrapz and Fanatec's GT2). I'd still want open support so I can use my Logi or other wheels. I'm hoping a bomb is dropped on this since it's the 1 thing most core fans want. And it's something that MS can get GT/Sony fans to 'come over to the dark side'.

If you want a full experience, I hate to say this but go on PC. All the wheels work, multiscreen displays, better audio, track/car selection, better physics. The graphics dept is where it's late on but rFactor2 and GTR3 might change that, not that it looks bad now. If you want to stick with consoles then it can be cheaper going GT5 + PS3 + wheel.

Game vs game, GT has a lot to finish on (and catch up on) when compared to Forza. We don't know what FM4 has so we'll see with time. And we don't know what will be patched with GT5 so that too we'll see with time.

Oh yeah Fanatec (Thomas) explains the XID thing on the Forza forum here I believe.

In regards to the 'full' experience I meant just use a racing wheel along with a racing game. Regardless of platform (pc/xbox360/ps3). Been mixing in a few pc racing sims into my playtime lately but graphics wise- they are really, really behind GT5 atm but hopefully that will change (still didnt get to iRacing yet tho). But yeah gameplay wise they are excellent but still missing many features console racers tend to have (granted, its mostly fluff like forza's livery editor, etc)

 

[ucwepn]

No need to fight forza 4 as its not on ps3 and therefore not a competitor in my books. Maybe they will bring some new features that PD can steal for the GT series
And I'm not interested to buy a 2nd console to play like 3 games so meh.