Components falure(defect) in GT5

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I know that we have thread about engine failure, but I think about other parts as gearbox , transmission, suspension,brakes and of course tires defect... If they put that type of mechanical damage in GT5 it would be awesome!!!! What you think??:)
 
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I know that we have thread about engine failure, but I think about other parts as gearbox , transmission, suspension,brakes and of course tires defect... If they put that type of mechanical damage in GT5 it would be awesome!!!! What you think guy???:)
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I'm not your guy, buddy ;) tyre wear will most certainly be included ( it allways has been ), as for the rest; we can only hope.
 
I think it would suck if parts just died randomly because of defects. So through no fault of my own I lose a community competition because my clutch packs up because of a random failure. Fair enough if I burn it out but if it just goes it would bite big time. Okay it's realistic but we're back on the subject of reality v's game again.

Who's ever lost a clan match in COD because their soldier had a non-bullet induced brain embolism?
 
P3nT4gR4m
I think it would suck if parts just died randomly because of defects. So through no fault of my own I lose a community competition because my clutch packs up because of a random failure. Fair enough if I burn it out but if it just goes it would bite big time. Okay it's realistic but we're back on the subject of reality v's game again.

Who's ever lost a clan match in COD because their soldier had a non-bullet induced brain embolism?
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COD is not realistic in any way hell its about as noobish as halo :cheers:
 
Same as pentagram. Mechanical failure through damage and abuse I could live with but completely random breakages wouldn't be much fun.

COD is not realistic at all, I've been shot in the face hundreds of times without feeling a thing ;)
 
Do you mean that you'll have to pay for the upkeep of your cars?

If thats what you mean then I'm all for it. Engine and body rebuilds after smashes will make people a little more careful. :)

It could end up cheaper scrapping it and buying another, now that would add another dimension to the game wouldn't it?
 
P3nT4gR4m
I think it would suck if parts just died randomly because of defects. So through no fault of my own I lose a community competition because my clutch packs up because of a random failure. Fair enough if I burn it out but if it just goes it would bite big time. Okay it's realistic but we're back on the subject of reality v's game again. QUOTE]

I'm not sure a Japanese company would want to include this amount of random defects in the game-engine in the current climate.
Not meant mockingly ( it's serious enough with people dying ) but i think it will have implications, maybe even the reason for delaying the game.
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starcarper
Do you mean that you'll have to pay for the upkeep of your cars?

If thats what you mean then I'm all for it. Engine and body rebuilds after smashes will make people a little more careful. :)

It could end up cheaper scrapping it and buying another, now that would add another dimension to the game wouldn't it?
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It's hard enough saving the up cash for cars without having to repair them too let alone replace them. You didn't have to pay for replacement tyres after every race or pit stop so I hope you don't have to pay for damaged cars.

One of the joys of the new damage engine will be smashing cars to bits, it won't be so much fun if it bankrupts you in the process!
 
AleksandarSRB
I know that we have thread about engine failure, but I think about other parts as gearbox , transmission, suspension,brakes and of course tires defect... If they put that type of mechanical damage in GT5 it would be awesome!!!! What you think??:)
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If this promise is kept

"The damage physics are going to be applied to things like a bent suspension arm, tires hitting the wheel wells of a car, deformation of the body affecting alignment, the loss of power to the engine. We're still working on setting the sensitivity level of of the damage. You can have it so if you have a single hit your car isn't going to be able to be driven anymore. It's a matter of adjustment."
https://www.gtplanet.net/more-gran-turismo-5-damage-nascar-details/


I guess you'll be happy :)
 
Man I'd love it if we had to pay for our mistakes. Especially on an 8 million Formula One car :)

"Now thats 3.2 million to repair what do you want to do? I can do the engine and you can bring it back next week for the back wing. The front strut is out of stock so that will be here next week"

Come on I know you'd all love that :)
 
Actually, I would hate to pay for every repair. I would rather have the credits deducted from my winnings, like FM3. Besides, I think component failure would be fun. F1CE has this and I loved it, even though it cost me a championship. Nothing to kill your day like an untimed engine failure with 3 laps to go.
 
I might be the only one who quite likes the idea of having some written-off wreck or scruffy damaged old smoker needing desperate TLC lying around in my digital garage.
Although, having said that, i would eventually fork out the necessary credits to restore them to their former glory, knowing myself :lol: .
 
analog
I'm not sure a Japanese company would want to include this amount of random defects in the game-engine in the current climate.
Not meant mockingly ( it's serious enough with people dying ) but i think it will have implications, maybe even the reason for delaying the game.
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Haha 👍

But seriously, ever considered buying a Toyota in this climate? I mean they're recalling/repairing them all free of charge, and the second hand value of all cars affected will have went down by quite a significant amount.

I would buy a Toyota Aygo right now if i had the cash. :)

evilneal
It's hard enough saving the up cash for cars without having to repair them too let alone replace them. You didn't have to pay for replacement tyres after every race or pit stop so I hope you don't have to pay for damaged cars.

One of the joys of the new damage engine will be smashing cars to bits, it won't be so much fun if it bankrupts you in the process!
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We didn't have to pay for replacements tyres, but i always assumed that was because of the cost. It was sometimes 30k+ for a set of racing tyres in GT4, more if you plan on buying more than one type so you can use pit strategies on different circuits. The cost can be several times the cost of the car.

I think in GT mode we should be forced to pay for repairs. People who want to have fun smashing their cars up can do so in Arcade mode. I mean, as long as you have the option to turn damage off in GT mode thats fine. As for online, I think that depends on whether the online is linked to GT mode.

I don't think random mechanical failures should occur, i think it would remove an element of fun from the game, and it would be unbelievably frustrating. I think it would happen far too often, it would just be a nuisance. Failures caused by poor driving i can live with, as long as there is the option to turn them off for people who can't.
 
I think i'm with the majority on this one. Components failing due to wear & tear, no problem. Would be a great addition, although i don't really want to pay credits for it, its payment enough to lose the race.

Random part failure? No thanks.

Last thing i want is something unrealistic happening like my accelerator being stuck or steering having problems, that would never happen in real life......oh wait a minute, that does happen, maybe i should avoid Toyotas in GT5.
 
Seismica
Haha 👍

But seriously, ever considered buying a Toyota in this climate? I mean they're recalling/repairing them all free of charge, and the second hand value of all cars affected will have went down by quite a significant amount.

I would buy a Toyota Aygo right now if i had the cash. :)
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Not dismissing the current problems, but Toyota rightfully had a very strong reputation for quality over many years, they now get the full flack from the media being the largest car company and all, but they will come back stronger i think.
And to answer your question and going totally off-topic, yes i would buy a Toyota, only one which was made before, say, 2005 ;)
 
Seismica
We didn't have to pay for replacements tyres, but i always assumed that was because of the cost. It was sometimes 30k+ for a set of racing tyres in GT4, more if you plan on buying more than one type so you can use pit strategies on different circuits. The cost can be several times the cost of the car.

I think in GT mode we should be forced to pay for repairs. People who want to have fun smashing their cars up can do so in Arcade mode. I mean, as long as you have the option to turn damage off in GT mode thats fine. As for online, I think that depends on whether the online is linked to GT mode.

I don't think random mechanical failures should occur, i think it would remove an element of fun from the game, and it would be unbelievably frustrating. I think it would happen far too often, it would just be a nuisance. Failures caused by poor driving i can live with, as long as there is the option to turn them off for people who can't.
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Fair point regarding the cost of the tyres, even though race tyres aren’t cheap the GT4 prices were excessive. Can you imagine the cost of a set of races tyres for a Veyron :ouch:

I hardly ever use arcade mode but if you had to pay for repairs in GT mode then I guess I could fire up arcade when the mood takes me to have a bit of fun smashing s**t up. I should also point out I mostly race as cleanly and smoothly as possible but if I mess up and know I’m going to come last then that’s when a bit of carnage can be fun J

If damage is included in the online mode and you did have to pay for repairs that could cause some fierce grudges if the accident wasn’t your fault or worse you were deliberately crashed into. I think the language clause of the AUP would be tested in the thread discussing that!


By the way I have a 2008 Toyota Avensis ( company car so limited choice ;) ), it certainly adds an element of excitement to the dash home :D
 
Maybe if you use a clutch and abuse the gearbox too much, like changing gears without using the clutch, might be realistic if the gear box had problems. The damage would have to be cumulative over a many kilometers. I think it would be extremely hard to realistically include something like this, and not have it feel like the game just randomly gave your car a fault.
 
eight6er
Maybe if you use a clutch and abuse the gearbox too much, like changing gears without using the clutch, might be realistic if the gear box had problems. The damage would have to be cumulative over a many kilometers. I think it would be extremely hard to realistically include something like this, and not have it feel like the game just randomly gave your car a fault.
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Yeah. I'd hate if GT did it the way (game title removed at the request of Dan Greenwalt) did it, with the transmission and clutch messed up if you even miss one shift with the clutch!
 
evilneal
Fair point regarding the cost of the tyres, even though race tyres aren’t cheap the GT4 prices were excessive. Can you imagine the cost of a set of races tyres for a Veyron :ouch:

I hardly ever use arcade mode but if you had to pay for repairs in GT mode then I guess I could fire up arcade when the mood takes me to have a bit of fun smashing s**t up. I should also point out I mostly race as cleanly and smoothly as possible but if I mess up and know I’m going to come last then that’s when a bit of carnage can be fun J

If damage is included in the online mode and you did have to pay for repairs that could cause some fierce grudges if the accident wasn’t your fault or worse you were deliberately crashed into. I think the language clause of the AUP would be tested in the thread discussing that!


By the way I have a 2008 Toyota Avensis ( company car so limited choice ;) ), it certainly adds an element of excitement to the dash home :D
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That's why i suggested online car insurance in a previous thread ;)

Didn't consider the Avensis to be an exciting car until now, the glass is allways half full according to you, i suppose :lol:.
 
evilneal
If damage is included in the online mode and you did have to pay for repairs that could cause some fierce grudges if the accident wasn’t your fault or worse you were deliberately crashed into. I think the language clause of the AUP would be tested in the thread discussing that!
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This is why I'm with KY on the subject. I'm pretty sure most if not all the people who are desperate for damage to be included are going to be among the first ones to bitch for it to get taken away when they realise exactly what the gaming experience they've been begging for is actually like. It's a Faustian pact they're making; fitting Pandora's gearbox.

Damage in an online game isn't realistic. It's retarded. And if you can't turn it off then get ready to moan the face off me for quitting as host, halfway through a 50 lap race cos someone totaled my car and I had better things to do than sit around staring at the grass textures for the next hour.

"but put some kind of car-back-on-track thing in" everyone says - sorry but now who's being unrealistic? What's the difference, other than AWESUM SPLODEY!, between cars just bouncing off each other and cars being reduced to powder only to magically appear back on track 10 seconds later?
 
No to manufacturing or design defect being cause of failure. I seriously doubt any manufacturer would allow their cars to be in the game if there was anything like that. And I wouldn't want it anyway. If I am the cause of damage to my car then fine, if someone else in the race damages my car, not so fine but acceptable but no way to something 'just failing'.
 
analog
That's why i suggested online car insurance in a previous thread ;)

Didn't consider the Avensis to be an exciting car until now, the glass is allways half full according to you, i suppose :lol:.
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The Avensis is a grandad car but it can be a laugh depending how you drive it ;) Only problem is you look a bit of a tit screeching round corners in it and it's getting difficult to explain why I'm getting through so many tyres :D


P3nT4gR4m
This is why I'm with KY on the subject. I'm pretty sure most if not all the people who are desperate for damage to be included are going to be among the first ones to bitch for it to get taken away when they realise exactly what the gaming experience they've been begging for is actually like. It's a Faustian pact they're making; fitting Pandora's gearbox.

Damage in an online game isn't realistic. It's retarded. And if you can't turn it off then get ready to moan the face off me for quitting as host, halfway through a 50 lap race cos someone totaled my car and I had better things to do than sit around staring at the grass textures for the next hour.

"but put some kind of car-back-on-track thing in" everyone says - sorry but now who's being unrealistic? What's the difference, other than AWESUM SPLODEY!, between cars just bouncing off each other and cars being reduced to powder only to magically appear back on track 10 seconds later?
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Good analogy :sly:

It will lead many people to quit online races so it's going to take some careful balancing to keep a happy medium. Even if it's only in expert races it's still going to cause most people to quite if their car is knackered.
 
Stonemonkey
No to manufacturing or design defect being cause of failure. I seriously doubt any manufacturer would allow their cars to be in the game if there was anything like that. And I wouldn't want it anyway. If I am the cause of damage to my car then fine, if someone else in the race damages my car, not so fine but acceptable but no way to something 'just failing'.
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Remember the oil change in GT4? What if you just unwittingly drove too many miles without changing oil and your engine would fail halfway into the race.
It would still be your fault but it would come totally unexpected and probably would be frustrating as hell ;)......still would be fun though.
 
analog
Remember the oil change in GT4? What if you just unwittingly drove too many miles without changing oil and your engine would fail halfway into the race.
It would still be your fault but it would come totally unexpected and probably would be frustrating as hell ;)......still would be fun though.
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If that was something in the game then it would be my fault, see how I worded that :p I was meaning like random engine/gearbox/driveshaft/suspension/etc. failure.

On oil changes, something I've not had an answer to is this, when doing some of the multiple race events with high lapcounts I couldn't change the oil and my HP dropped over the course of the 10 (or whatever) races but the AI cars weren't affected from race to race, was I missing something? (don't have PS2 or GT4 anymore)
 
I like the idea, but I think it would suck if something went wrong during a race and you either had to restart or crawl back to the pits. Maybe they could make it so certain components last for a certain amount of mileage before needing to be replaced.
 
Stonemonkey
If that was something in the game then it would be my fault, see how I worded that :p I was meaning like random engine/gearbox/driveshaft/suspension/etc. failure.

On oil changes, something I've not had an answer to is this, when doing some of the multiple race events with high lapcounts I couldn't change the oil and my HP dropped over the course of the 10 (or whatever) races but the AI cars weren't affected from race to race, was I missing something? (don't have PS2 or GT4 anymore)
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No, i remember that too ( another reason A.I. cars were not very realistic ) but did you perform an oil change just before you entered the event?
I don't remember the power drop being so dramatic after 10 races or so, if you just changed the oil beforehand ( i allways did that, but maybe that's just me being anal :lol: ).
 
I hated the oil change thing. All you did was navigated 500-odd screens worth of PD signature dumb menu structure at 30 secs a pop and then clicked "change oil"

Whoopie do! :dunce:
 
Not being able to change the oil between races in big tournaments annoyed the hell out of me too, not very realistic really considering PD put oil changes in the game. This might be slightly controversial but I wouldn't miss oil changes or car washes if they weren't in GT5. Surely my imaginary race team can sort this out while they're changing the tyres, refuelling etc. I don't see many (non grass routes) race drivers getting their hands dirty IRL!

....actually I didn't mind the car wash so much, slight OCD ;)
 

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