Convertibles

[rollazn]

The Honda S2000 is so nice... i like it alot. One of my most favorite convertible if not my favorite.

I like Hardtop Convertible like the Lexus SC.

Amazing huh it look pretty good in my opinion but the MSRP is like 63,200 $ thats alot! Look good... Hardtop con. are the way to go

 

[LoudMusic]

But it weighs so much more and when the top goes down you have no storage. I'd rather have a detachable hardtop myself.

 

[rollazn]

That is true, but it does look better IMO. I guess if i was going to buy a luxury convertible those extra weight isnt that big of a problem.

 

[rollazn]

hey LM, i know you like the S2000 very much, so do i but do you feel its overpriced?

 

[Klostrophobic]

Originally posted by Famine
£12,000 buys you:

A dodgy 2001 Subaru Impreza Turbo
An imported 1997 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo
A pristine 1995 Honda NSX
A new 2004 Ford Focus 1.6i

NSX please!

How many kilometers will be on the NSX's engine at £12,000 ?

I was commenting on a brand new NSX. Obviously you're going to find a good deal on a 9 year old car.

Of the four cars you mentioned I would probably take the NSX, too.

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by rollazn
hey LM, i know you like the S2000 very much, so do i but do you feel its overpriced?

Overpriced? It's a car isn't it? (:

Generally all cars are overpriced as new.
Generally all converitbles are more overpriced as new.
Generally all Hondas are overpriced as new.
Generally all performance vehicles are overpriced as new.

It doesn't have much in its favor. What it does have in its favor, though, is that it out performs for less money most of the cars in its class. I would say the 350Z is the only one that can keep up, and that's in coupe form, not roadster.

 

[miniMADness]

Ive got 2 favorite convertables...of course one of them had to be a Mini!

 

[miniMADness]

and the Daihatsu Copen!

 

[rollazn]

Originally posted by LoudMusic
Overpriced? It's a car isn't it? (:

Generally all cars are overpriced as new.
Generally all converitbles are more overpriced as new.
Generally all Hondas are overpriced as new.
Generally all performance vehicles are overpriced as new.

It doesn't have much in its favor. What it does have in its favor, though, is that it out performs for less money most of the cars in its class. I would say the 350Z is the only one that can keep up, and that's in coupe form, not roadster.

Yeah.. but the Evo and Impreza STi both are cheaper or around the same price and can kill the S2000 performance wise. I know they are in different class but that is why i feel the S2K is way overpriced. 25K sounds good to me for a S2K

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by rollazn
Yeah.. but the Evo and Impreza STi both are cheaper or around the same price and can kill the S2000 performance wise. I know they are in different class but that is why i feel the S2K is way overpriced. 25K sounds good to me for a S2K

There is a certain "convertible tax" missing from the Evos though. And besides, I saw a Best MOTORing where an S2000 was killing a pair of Evos. Where does everyone get this information that Evos are so spectacular?

 

[Famine]

Originally posted by Klostrophobic
How many kilometers will be on the NSX's engine at £12,000 ?

I was commenting on a brand new NSX. Obviously you're going to find a good deal on a 9 year old car.

Of the four cars you mentioned I would probably take the NSX, too.

Depends on what you're willing to settle for. Some have very high mileage - 100,000mi or more (160,000km), but even that's less than average for it's age (12,000mi/year on average). I wouldn't particularly worry about the engine in an NSX though, but I'd be looking for less. The cars tend to be well looked after and rarely used as a main car.

But I have found a 1991 H Targa for £11,000 with 36,000mi on it. In a couple of years - when I'm looking to buy - the 3.2s will be around that sort of money.

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by Famine
But I have found a 1991 H Targa for £11,000 with 36,000mi on it. In a couple of years - when I'm looking to buy - the 3.2s will be around that sort of money.

That's my logic. "When I'm ready to buy" ... surely what I like now will be available for what I'm willing to pay in three years.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by LoudMusic

Generally all cars are overpriced as new.
Generally all Hondas are overpriced as new.
Generally all performance vehicles are overpriced as new.

I've never seen you make three statements that are so untrue!

 

[rollazn]

Originally posted by LoudMusic
There is a certain "convertible tax" missing from the Evos though. And besides, I saw a Best MOTORing where an S2000 was killing a pair of Evos. Where does everyone get this information that Evos are so spectacular?

Yeah, i have heard of that tax too, but even if you buy it the out of the door prize isnt going to be that much, its going to be around 32K just like the S2000.

What Best MOTORing video did you see S2000 killing Evos, i have seen many videos and that dosent come to mind. Im not doubting you i just want to see the video I dont get it... was the S2000 modified if so then i wouldnt doubt it. If it was stock... then how can it beat the Evo and in what department... im guessing your talking about circuit wise (tsukuba)?

The Lancer Evolutions are known for their great handling as far as autocross goes. It always dominates the autocross department shown in BM... beating GT-R, NSX-S, STi, RX7, etc...

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by M5Power
I've never seen you make three statements that are so untrue!

You don't think that's true? You think the pricing on new cars, Hondas spacifically, and convertibles is about right? Why would they lose so much value so quickly?

Also, computers are the same way, only even more so. From Dell you can get the same computer in refurbished form for nearly 25% less cost. If it's identical in spec to a model they're still selling and maybe has a month of use, how does it possibly cost so much less?

Because they're overpriced to begin with! (:

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by rollazn
Yeah, i have heard of that tax too, but even if you buy it the out of the door prize isnt going to be that much, its going to be around 32K just like the S2000.

What Best MOTORing video did you see S2000 killing Evos, i have seen many videos and that dosent come to mind. Im not doubting you i just want to see the video I dont get it... was the S2000 modified if so then i wouldnt doubt it. If it was stock... then how can it beat the Evo and in what department... im guessing your talking about circuit wise (tsukuba)?

The Lancer Evolutions are known for their great handling as far as autocross goes. It always dominates the autocross department shown in BM... beating GT-R, NSX-S, STi, RX7, etc...

I don't recall the theme of the episode, and I'll start by saying that I don't know that they were Evos at all. I'm sure none of the cars were modified, though.

And now that I think about it, I don't even remember what other cars were there. I'll have to find the video again and watch it. I'm sure I have it on this computer or at home.

 

[rollazn]

Originally posted by LoudMusic
You don't think that's true? You think the pricing on new cars, Hondas spacifically, and convertibles is about right? Why would they lose so much value so quickly?

Also, computers are the same way, only even more so. From Dell you can get the same computer in refurbished form for nearly 25% less cost. If it's identical in spec to a model they're still selling and maybe has a month of use, how does it possibly cost so much less?

Because they're overpriced to begin with! (:

You feel the SRT4 is overpriced? I know its not a Honda but you said generally all cars are overpriced. To me the SRT4 sounds like a good deal. For 21K it isnt that bad, although the looks do pull me away. Its as fast as a Honda S2000 1/4 wise. Around the track im sure it would get dominated by the S2K but eitherway the SRT4 is a "cheap" Sport car compare to other car in its class its way faster.

If you compare it to 350z or S2000 its very cheap. While the performance is just as good. Im not that big of a fan of the SRT4 although i admit its very fast, which i like the look is just to me.


Oh yeah, i heard you are trying to buy a S2000... you are looking for a new 2004 S2000 arent you? Those are so nice

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by LoudMusic
You don't think that's true? You think the pricing on new cars, Hondas spacifically, and convertibles is about right? Why would they lose so much value so quickly?

Because a two-month old Montero selling for the same price as a new Montero is a no-brainer. People talk about car losing value quickly - it isn't true. If one doesn't drive their car, they could sell it for the same they sold it for new, or damn close to it. But we do drive our cars, and from a value standpoint the trade-off in dollars for fuel economy, power, reliability, and particularly getting to pick your own spec and negotiate your own price with a much higher latitude that with used cars outweighs the benefits of a used car.

Hondas are - in general - the best value in the business. The only exceptions are the Insight, Civic Si, and 2WD versions of the Element and CR-V. That's just four cars - I could go on all week listing Mitsubishis that have crap value.

Convertibles have crap value (I call it a stupid buy 85% of the time); I quoted that performance cars have great value - the two best value cars right now are the performance variants of the Ford Mustang (SVT Cobra and Mach 1) and the Pontiac GTO.

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by rollazn
You feel the SRT4 is overpriced? I know its not a Honda but you said generally all cars are overpriced. To me the SRT4 sounds like a good deal. For 21K it isnt that bad, although the looks do pull me away. Its as fast as a Honda S2000 1/4 wise. Around the track im sure it would get dominated by the S2K but eitherway the SRT4 is a "cheap" Sport car compare to other car in its class its way faster.

If you compare it to 350z or S2000 its very cheap. While the performance is just as good. Im not that big of a fan of the SRT4 although i admit its very fast, which i like the look is just to me.


Oh yeah, i heard you are trying to buy a S2000... you are looking for a new 2004 S2000 arent you? Those are so nice

In general - of course there are always exceptions (: The SRT-4 would be one, though I think it's the ugly duckling of the group.

Because a two-month old Montero selling for the same price as a new Montero is a no-brainer. People talk about car losing value quickly - it isn't true. If one doesn't drive their car, they could sell it for the same they sold it for new, or damn close to it. But we do drive our cars, and from a value standpoint the trade-off in dollars for fuel economy, power, reliability, and particularly getting to pick your own spec and negotiate your own price with a much higher latitude that with used cars outweighs the benefits of a used car.

Hondas are - in general - the best value in the business. The only exceptions are the Insight, Civic Si, and 2WD versions of the Element and CR-V. That's just four cars - I could go on all week listing Mitsubishis that have crap value.

Convertibles have crap value (I call it a stupid buy 85% of the time); I quoted that performance cars have great value - the two best value cars right now are the performance variants of the Ford Mustang (SVT Cobra and Mach 1) and the Pontiac GTO.

But wouldn't you say that it doesn't take much use (many miles) to severily plumit the value of a car initially? But I know what you're talking about. I've seen cars listed as "show room condition" including less than 100 miles that were several years old selling at the same price as they did when they were first announced. And I thought how cool it would be to have even at that price! Mostly because the new model they had shifted to was teh suck.

Yeah, Hondas have great reliability, and I am a big Honda fan (probably my favorite brand), but I still think they're overpriced. And yes I am aware that convertibles have crap value. But it's soooo cool (:

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by LoudMusic

Yeah, Hondas have great reliability, and I am a big Honda fan (probably my favorite brand), but I still think they're overpriced. And yes I am aware that convertibles have crap value. But it's soooo cool (:

If you think all new cars are overpriced then of course you'd think new Hondas were overpriced too, but I'm here to tell you that Honda has the best value in the family sedan, minivan, and midsize SUV class, and near-class-leading value in the compact, small convertible, and small SUV class. No other brand even comes close to Honda on value across the board.

 

[Yazza]

Incredible car.

 

[Zrow]

I think that the 350Z Roadster is a really excellent looking car. I could definitely see myself buying this over the hardtop, which I normally wouldn't do.

 

[rollazn]

Originally posted by Zrow
I think that the 350Z Roadster is a really excellent looking car. I could definitely see myself buying this over the hardtop, which I normally wouldn't do.

Why? I much rather have the 350Z coupe than the roadster that cost more. For that money, i would much rather take the S2000. The 350Z is a nice car, in fact my cousin own a black 350Z and I love it but i just cant get over how nice a S2000 look!! S2000 are probably the only convertible i like. I was always into coupe but for the S2000 i can make an exception.

 

[Zrow]

Actually, I'd save a lot of money and buy a new Miata. Very fun car, and it doesn't look too shabby either.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Zrow
Actually, I'd save a lot of money and buy a new Miata.

The 350Z, particularly in coupe form, is worth every penny more than the Miata. And if a drop-top isn't a must, then 'save a lot of money' turns into 'save $4500.' And trust me - the 145bhp you gain with that $4500 is alone enough to make the 350Z worth it.