Thanks. That would help. I did a couple of 30 laps sessions where I had the car consistently doing 1:03 with plenty of fun counter steering. I could see how I could get a 1:02.5 but not 2 seconds less. I need to try a bit more trail braking. I had too much time on my hands last night/this morning as I couldn't sleep last night after being woken up by the kids. I'm not ranting just trying to be fair to everyone Rhino I know some of you guys have raced a lot around the track together. If anyone is around between 10am and 1pm this morning maybe I could follow someone round?