CSR Elite wheel: 3 steps forward and 2 steps back.

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sandboxgod
Okay the only main issue I have is this part in his review:




This part is clearly not the case right? Did we agree that it is not easy to flex this rim? If that's the case, then why is he claiming it is easy to flex the rim? Like I said before, I have already become firmly attached to this wheel. So I'd rather ask some of the others for their opinions.
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Why do you have issue with it? Why does it matter to anyone here that you have an issue with the review?

"Easy" is a relative term. The point isn't whether or not it's "easy" to deform the rim. The point is that it is flexible beyond the point of satisfaction of the OP and he is letting other people know that this too may be an issue for them. He claims it to be true because, for him in his use it is true.

Unless the video is fake, it looks highly possible that the wheel is flexible to some degree. Legitimacy of the video isn't in question is it?

I know what some of you are thinking though any why you might be fiercely fighting the idea. The best of it's kind can't possibly be flawed right?
 
No, no, no- I am asking fellow csr-e owners do they find it easy to flex the rim.

edit: I don't care if it deforms under extreme pressure. I am trying to establish does anyone that actually has this wheel find it easy to deform it.



VWMasteR
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You have some good points that get kind of buried in you're tone. I didn't find Fanatec...'s post arrogant at all. Logiforce also isn't wrong either. We are paying for a wheel to be used in a game, in a niche market. This isn't a wheel that has been designed for safety and uses other than steering (like getting in and out of a rig, or adjusting your seat). Again, I still see some method in Troysloths process, that I can get behind. I think without being on the team that designed it, we don't know what testing did and didn't go in to the product and why decisions landed in favour of this or that.

In the end I think the cost of the wheel was for the base. I believe this is where cost was spared as the option for a more robust rim was going to be offered to those that cared. I don't think it's possible to please everyone at all.... If you put a Frex or ECCI in front of the exact same people they would say "Yeah I can feel it's stronger, but I don't think it's worth the money".

This is something that I think will be a touchy issue for a long time, until maybe a few things happen (rim availability / new rims / new FW... whatever).
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Right on, +1
 
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VWMasteR
I didn't find Fanatec...'s post arrogant at all.
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You must have read something different than I did. His first sentence accuses the OP of not caring about great FFB and must only care about having a nicer rim and thus should have bought something else... That is arrogant. Why? You have the CEO of a company telling one of his own customers that his concerns about his purchase mean very little to him. Issue real or not, you don't just outright tell a customer that they are wrong.

VWMasteR
Logiforce also isn't wrong either. We are paying for a wheel to be used in a game, in a niche market. This isn't a wheel that has been designed for safety and uses other than steering (like getting in and out of a rig, or adjusting your seat). Again, I still see some method in Troysloths process, that I can get behind. I think without being on the team that designed it do we don't know what testing did and didn't go in to it and why decisions landed in favour of this or that.
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No one is wrong. It's all our opinions, and our opinions dictate how we spend money.
The steering wheel in your real car isn't made to adjust your seat or get in and out of a car either but that is how people use it; therefore, should be a design consideration. People will ALWAYS use a product in an unintended way. I don't need to be on their design team to know that they hadn't considered the unintentional forces that may have been applied, nor to see that the team assumed that everyone would hold the wheel in the same 10/2 position. These are pretty clear from looking at it.

VWMasteR
In the end I think the cost of the wheel was for the base. I believe this is where cost was spared as the option for a more robust rim was going to be offered to those that cared. I don't think it's possible to please everyone at all.... If you put a Frex or ECCI in front of the exact same people they would say "Yeah I can feel it's stronger, but I don't think it's worth the money".
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I would rather pay less and get the base with a choice of rim at the appropriate price. I don't think it's possible to please everyone either and for most the rim is probably more than adequate. Infact, I would be fine with it myself except I hate that it's multiple textures and toy like seams. I want a rim with the same texture all the way around. I don't care if it's alcantara or rubber.

VWMasteR
This is something that I think will be a touchy issue for a long time, until maybe a few things happen (rim availability / new rims / new FW... whatever).
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This is the problem I have with this board. Why is there so much emotion, ego, and sensitivity here? Why is it a touchy subject to discuss dissatisfaction with a product? Why can't we simply discuss possible improvements without someone getting upset about it? It only benefits the entire community. I think there should be more wheels available and the bar should be continued to be pushed for a better product at a reasonable price, not just a more expensive product.
 
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Considering all the comments I've seen Thomas have to suffer through at this forum and elsewhere (VirtualR, iRacing, etc) I think he has been extremely level headed. I didn't think his post came across as arrogant at all?

But he should be extremely proud cause his products blow away the competition on the Xbox. Thrustmaster finally put a wheel on the xbox but it is not a serious wheel by any means (no FFB, etc). Mad Catz is releasing an FFB wheel for bout 250 retail? Or was it 200? Surely at least a GT2 or CSR wheel would be a better value
 
sandboxgod
Considering all the comments I've seen Thomas have to suffer through at this forum and elsewhere (VirtualR, iRacing, etc) I think he has been extremely level headed. I didn't think his post came across as arrogant at all?

But he should be extremely proud cause his products blow away the competition on the Xbox. Thrustmaster finally put a wheel on the xbox but it is not a serious wheel by any means (no FFB, etc). Mad Catz is releasing an FFB wheel for bout 250 retail? Or was it 200? Surely at least a GT2 or CSR wheel would be a better value
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He doesn't have to suffer through anything. He chooses to come here and personally respond. That's great if he is open to opinion and suggestion. Level headed? What do you mean?

Does Thomas make these products for the love of making them or is he simply exploiting an niche where he thinks there is money to be made or both? End of the day he has to be the good guy because this is his livelihood. Does everyone here do their job simply for the love of it or do you like money the money too?
 
sandboxgod
Considering all the comments I've seen Thomas have to suffer through at this forum and elsewhere (VirtualR, iRacing, etc) I think he has been extremely level headed. I didn't think his post came across as arrogant at all?

But he should be extremely proud cause his products blow away the competition on the Xbox. Thrustmaster finally put a wheel on the xbox but it is not a serious wheel by any means (no FFB, etc). Mad Catz is releasing an FFB wheel for bout 250 retail? Or was it 200? Surely at least a GT2 or CSR wheel would be a better value
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Totally agree. 👍

If I had to pick a wheel with no FFB then I think I'll just stick with the speed wheel, it even rumbles sometimes. lol

Thomas did indeed create great products. My only thing I wondered was if the quality of the rim matched that of the base at such a price point. Like someone else above said that at that price point you are targeting the sim racing enthusiast that won't look at 50-100 euros more for a more proper build rim of maybe titanium to keep it lightweight and withstand abuse so that you can feel safe to let some wild kids play with it for example.

It's an endless discussion I think because we all have a different sense of value and different demands as well.
 
Not difficult to be No. 1 on the XBOX. There are not many competitors.

The MS wheel is discontinued. PWTS as well.

Mad Catz without FFB cost 120€ and is looking ....... interesting :drool:
Mad Catz with FFB will cost 250€ and is ........ also a Mad Catz :sly:
The Wii-style "wheel" (~50€) is nothing but a joke.
The Thrustmaster F458 wheel (~80€) does not have FFB, but beside that it looks okay for someone who wants to upgrade from the XBOX-Controller and has limited budget.

GT2 and CSR (250€) and CSR-E (539€) only for the wheel is much more expensive! So only 3 serious wheels on the market and all of them from Fanatec.

Don't get me wrong. Nice that Fanatec supports this platform. 👍
Not their fault, that there are no competitors.

But beeing No. 1 on this platform is (just my opinion) not a big deal.


Robert
 
FCTaff
Bcnr what's your thoughts on the FFB effect on the Elite ?
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The absolute best I've ever used. It's really smooth. The CSR-E really is the best wheel on the market at the price. The FFB is better than the T500 and no other wheel even comes close to the detail.

I all want is a rim that doesn't feel cheap. I don't want to wear a glove while playing either. The seam in the rim is no good.
 
sandboxgod
No, no, no- I am asking fellow csr-e owners do they find it easy to flex the rim.

edit: I don't care if it deforms under extreme pressure. I am trying to establish does anyone that actually has this wheel find it easy to deform it.

Right on, +1
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I've had my CSR-E for a few days now, finally got the chance to play with it yesterday as my fiance bought me the CSP's to go with it. So i sat down at 10:30am and switched between gt5 and forza 4 until 12 midnight... The CSR-E is above and beyond anything i could have asked for, the ffb is simply amazing over the g27 i had... As far as the wheel flexing during game-play after using it for HOURS, I couldn't get it to flex as seen in the video. not even close, i can only imagine the force it would take to do that... Anyone who is worried about this, don't be, its very sturdy. I will however upgrade when the BMW wheel comes out, aesthetically the forza rim just doesn't do it for me, nor do i like the feel of it while in hand, but i'll say it again.. This setup is amazing!
 
Mahnegold
Not difficult to be No. 1 on the XBOX. There are not many competitors.
But beeing No. 1 on this platform is (just my opinion) not a big deal.
Robert
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We've seen this in the past in other products. Subaru for the longest time maintained they were #1 in their field also, which was true since nobody else offered a sports wagoneer.

BCNR 33
No one is wrong. It's all our opinions, and our opinions dictate how we spend money.
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I 100% agree.

BCNR 33
I would rather pay less and get the base with a choice of rim at the appropriate price. I don't think it's possible to please everyone either and for most the rim is probably more than adequate. Infact, I would be fine with it myself except I hate that it's multiple textures and toy like seams. I want a rim with the same texture all the way around. I don't care if it's alcantara or rubber.
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This option will for sure appear later, if Fanatec's history is used as reference. There will be bundles offered when all the products are available. The only people that need to pay this price for the base and this rim are the people that don't want to wait. So I think the others that can wait will be happy at a later period. I myself also don't care too much about looks and materials until they aggravate me during use. An example would be, if the blue LED's on the CSR rims stayed lit during play I would lose my mind.

BCNR 33
This is the problem I have with this board. Why is there so much emotion, ego, and sensitivity here? Why is it a touchy subject to discuss dissatisfaction with a product? Why can't we simply discuss possible improvements without someone getting upset about it? It only benefits the entire community. I think there should be more wheels available and the bar should be continued to be pushed for a better product at a reasonable price, not just a more expensive product.
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I think this is a problem for most boards, especially enthusiast type sites. You are discussing things that each person is passionate about. You could almost look at this as discussing politics or religion with the average person you know nothing about. I took years off from forums because I could no longer handle reading the personal attacks and massively biased opinions. You said it well at the end. Mfg's / Dev's and whoever else could really just use these as notes for product improvement.

One last thing on the cost. You also have to remember this is a brand new product, and they always cost more. Look at any other product. You can buy a new car for xx,xxx and then buy it 8 months later at a sale for x% off then up to 20% less when the new models arrive. Cell phones up in Canada cost 650 roughly to outright buy. Then 1 year later cost about 40% less. You will always pay more as an early adopter.

In any case I'm curious to see what happens in the near future. Fanatec may have been the only competitor in this market (xbox) but they haven't let that hinder them. So many times when the market has little competition the product improvements are slow as the company sits on their butt, because they don't need to improve the product to get sales (no offense intended at all to Logitech owners but the G2x is a perfect example, not bad product, just not much change since conception). So I have to give them Kudos as they really pushed themselves to keep improving.
 
sandboxgod
No, no, no- I am asking fellow csr-e owners do they find it easy to flex the rim.

edit: I don't care if it deforms under extreme pressure. I am trying to establish does anyone that actually has this wheel find it easy to deform it.





Right on, +1
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If I push or pull on the wheel it's easy to deform. It is a silly question though because I don't push or pull on the wheel.

The bigger problem with the rim is the way it feels in my bare hand. Once I put on a pair of Mechanix work gloves the wheel feels great.

I waited for the e version because I wanted the best base I could get and still be able to play on the xbox. I'm really enjoying the wheel so far.
 
I love my Elite wheel, including the rim. I am having trouble with Xbox Live chat, but I am confident Fanatec's support team will help me resolve that issue. I have no problem with Troy's review and Thomas' comments about it. It's all good. I am passionate about this hobby too, but folks, chill out, this is supposed to be fun.
 
BCNR 33
I all want is a rim that doesn't feel cheap. I don't want to wear a glove while playing either. The seam in the rim is no good.
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I don't get why you won't wear gloves if it will solve the main problem you have with the wheel. You are presented with a simple and cost effective solution that will also enhance your experience and also make your wheel rim last longer and you just completely ignore it.

Opinions are fine to have, but it seems like you are complaining just for the sake of complaining. You WILL have nicer wheel rim options available to you soon, but in the meantime I don't understand why you won't just make a simple compromise in your abundant pride and just do something that will solve your problem NOW.

Do you want to be happy with this product? Or do you just want something to complain about? This sounds exactly like the young airmen that I supervise who don't understand that sometimes in life you just have to do something that you "shouldn't" have to do in order to increase personal satisfaction. We are imperfect people living in an imperfect world. Sometimes you have to set foolish pride aside and just do something you really don't want to.
 
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Well, maybe he finds the gloves as uncomfortable as the seam. I myself for example hate gloves because the fingers of the gloves are always too long and thus get annoyingly in the way. One solution would be a fingerless glove for me though.
 
Buy cheap gloves, cut off fingertips, problem solved.

But the point of my post is that some people will complain until they are blue in the face (or their fingers get numb from the keyboard) instead of just sucking it up and doing something very simple to solve their problem. Some people complain just because they want to vent, and I understand that, but at some point you have to take a step back and actually think of ways to solve the problem you are having.

In this case, it's a simple solution, gloves. Better grip, better feel, better consistency, no worry about sweat in longer races, and you won't feel the cheap will rim. Believe me, I agree that the wheel rim feels cheap, hell I bought the regular CSR, you want to talk about a cheap feeling rim, imagine your CSR-E without the rubber trim and just plastic in its place.

Just forget about "how it should be" and accept "how it is" and try to do something to alleviate the situation. Obvious solution is replace the wheel rim, but since that solution isn't available yet, you can either wear some gloves, or continue to be unhappy about the feel of the rim.
 
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I´m waiting the mad catz ffb wheel review from Darin-SRT. I wonder if he is going to review F4 and this wheel at the same episode???? No other posibility exist ...
 
sandboxgod
Considering all the comments I've seen Thomas have to suffer through at this forum and elsewhere (VirtualR, iRacing, etc) I think he has been extremely level headed. I didn't think his post came across as arrogant at all?

But he should be extremely proud cause his products blow away the competition on the Xbox. Thrustmaster finally put a wheel on the xbox but it is not a serious wheel by any means (no FFB, etc). Mad Catz is releasing an FFB wheel for bout 250 retail? Or was it 200? Surely at least a GT2 or CSR wheel would be a better value
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Wasn´t me that spoke of Mad catz fisrt, but I think there is a remote possibility that this wheel can be be better than microsoft and nearer of GT2,not CSR e for sure...
For some one, like me, that already has g25, t500 rs PC-PS3 but no xboxconsole yet. is the right choice to start with xbox because the wheel cost 182 € in amazon.. Easy to resell if I don´t like it .
Again, I will wait Darin´s review of this wheel.
 
Is this a new Mad cats wheel? What is the name of the model please?
 
Cheers Cap.

Looks around the same quality as the DFGT, for a budget it will do ok. Pedals seem the weak point though.
 
Spagetti69
Cheers Cap.

Looks around the same quality as the DFGT, for a budget it will do ok. Pedals seem the weak point though.
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Bundle xbox 360 console with Fm 4 with this wheel for around 440 €
For me is not a bad idea. Less than csr e alone.
And yes , crap pedals and base... but the wheel and padle shifters are metal made.
 
superbike81
Just because it's made of metal doesn't mean it will be any good.
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Doesn't mean it's crap either. Just an equivalent of a carrera/DFGT range.

Don't think anyone is going to be comparing it to a Frex.
I imagine the target audience wouldn't know a Frex from a chocolate fireplace.
 
right, but there are some reviews on you tube ... and is not that bad for the price. And metal doesn´ t FLEX. I guess ¡¡¡
 
superbike81
Just because it's made of metal doesn't mean it will be any good.
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i dont think he means it like that, i think he means its a good start. just like the csr elite base is made of metal, doesnt mean it will be any good like you say but the fact thats it made from metal is a good thing
 

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