"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Ashthebash]

So I'm now starting Race C from the back, getting put in similar lobbies, and getting better results! Could have nabbed a podium just if I hadn't been rudely divebombed by a Spaniard - who set his sights from somewhere on Mars I think - as you go into the last sector. Just as I was about to smash FL as well!!

One more run, a positive result sees this account up to A...

Edit: Not positive enough! Finished 12th, pretty decent lobby to be fair and some good close racing, gained 100 and a bit points and now at 29759

 

[Mc_Yavel]

After 4 days and above 500km/day with my wheel during the last two weeks, I can say I'm pretty much on par with my DS4 time. This mornig I tried beating my wheel QT on Race B with the controller an came 0.5 sec short. That's a good motivation to empty the closet and get the wheel out for a day of racing.

Really good croud this morning on Race B. Only DRA-B racer, no C-D and the QT is 3 sec spread from first to last. The smallest mistake is enough to give an overtake opportunity to the driver behind. Barely gain any place but pretty heated and clean races.

Fun indeed!

I have been using the "trap" (as you so aptly named it) quite frequently, and a couple other special tricks.

On Tuesday, I had a bad race with some lagging Southerners, from A/S to A/A red. Then the next race, was disconnected on Lap 2, down to B/C. So, I'm clawing my way back up yesterday and...

Won 9 in a row, with several Perfectas. Hoping for 10, I ended up 5th in the 10th race. But closed out the night winning the 11th attempt.
ONLY UP TO B/A !?! Whaaaaaat the ffffffff.....???? It really wants me down. SMH

By the time I finished the tought "Why did he have to come there with me" your car was not there anymore! But it was to late for me.

Race A only give 4 SR points for clean race, you have a long way to go!

Here’s a great video on brake balance. Different style cars (MR, FR, 4WD, etc) generally have different optimal base settings, but settings vary depending on the car itself and driver preference.

Thanks, really interesting, I may start to fiddle with BB now.

 

[GT5Power]

I didn't really like the sight of tumbling down the leaderboard, so after an extra hour of TT I put in this monster of a lap to fix it

Here's the lap:



I'm not quite on the level of Zavisic in terms of race pace yet, but at least I was able to outdo him in QTT for once

 

[MIE1992]

Question: the iOS game, Street Kart Racing (noted for its involvement of Rosberg), not only uses real-time day/night cycles for its courses, but also accounts for the time zones of each course. What do you think of this being implemented into Gran Turismo? (Likely in a future title, or one of its subsequent updates.) I think it'd be an easy way for each course to offer a bit more verisimilitude, and even the stars could reflect this. I think GT6 had a little thing about doing this, but I wonder if this applied to each hemisphere, as well? AFAIK stars are much like the seasons, in that they're "inverted" between the hemispheres; a constellation you can't see on a clear night sky in England or Seoul is likely visible within clear night skies seen from, say, Argentina or New Zealand. It doesn't even require all courses (namely the GT-original courses set in fictional locales) to have a precise location - the Special Stage Route X course could operate off of Pacific Standard Time, as one example.

And the events could reflect this, too. Like for the most part in GT League, most circuits would be driven during the daytime. For online races, there could be a race set in each major region, so that not all courses will be at night or all at day. For example, if you're American and you're only are able to play the game late at night, you'd be able to race at Suzuka or Fuji when the sun is still rising on the circuit. But this could especially apply to online endurance races, where ideally, there would be these much longer races as part of an official tournament. Imagine a Bathurst 12h, Suzuka 1000km, Nurburgring 24h, or Daytona 24h, but in Gran Turismo. (Granted, for all endurance races in the campaign, and virtually all endurance races online, I'd make them about as long as they were in Gran Turismo 3, with three hours as a hard maximum, and most online endurance races being about an hour long on average.)

 

[Redsea666]

Found my sled for St. C- my beloved Rc F. Certainly not the fastest, but I love it. Stable, good brakes, and sounds like a Mad Max movie. I found the lift-off oversteer of the Ferrari too much to deal with. It sure is pretty, though.

 

[El_Beardo]

So, I've just noticed that the R92CP is a right hand shift.

I'm glad that I don't use the cockpit cam, because that would annoy me far more than I'd like to admit.

Also, driving this thing with a proper manual is tricky. Currently doing 1:27s.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Question: the iOS game, Street Kart Racing (noted for its involvement of Rosberg), not only uses real-time day/night cycles for its courses, but also accounts for the time zones of each course. What do you think of this being implemented into Gran Turismo? (Likely in a future title, or one of its subsequent updates.) I think it'd be an easy way for each course to offer a bit more verisimilitude, and even the stars could reflect this. I think GT6 had a little thing about doing this, but I wonder if this applied to each hemisphere, as well? AFAIK stars are much like the seasons, in that they're "inverted" between the hemispheres; a constellation you can't see on a clear night sky in England or Seoul is likely visible within clear night skies seen from, say, Argentina or New Zealand. It doesn't even require all courses (namely the GT-original courses set in fictional locales) to have a precise location - the Special Stage Route X course could operate off of Pacific Standard Time, as one example.

And the events could reflect this, too. Like for the most part in GT League, most circuits would be driven during the daytime. For online races, there could be a race set in each major region, so that not all courses will be at night or all at day. For example, if you're American and you're only are able to play the game late at night, you'd be able to race at Suzuka or Fuji when the sun is still rising on the circuit. But this could especially apply to online endurance races, where ideally, there would be these much longer races as part of an official tournament. Imagine a Bathurst 12h, Suzuka 1000km, Nurburgring 24h, or Daytona 24h, but in Gran Turismo. (Granted, for all endurance races in the campaign, and virtually all endurance races online, I'd make them about as long as they were in Gran Turismo 3, with three hours as a hard maximum, and most online endurance races being about an hour long on average.)

I still think this is a terrible idea. It would assure that I couldn't run any European tracks ever.

Oh, and by the way: the stars are not inverted, they are different. You can never see the Southern Cross from the northern hemisphere, or the Big Dipper from the southern.

 

[Ashthebash]

You know when you know you can knock a chunk of time off your best lap and it just won't happen??

Can guess what happened here

And after knocking a huge 0.002 off my qualy... (the pen was picked up through T2)

A concerted effort to get a 23.5 tomorrow I think!

 

[MIE1992]

I still think this is a terrible idea. It would assure that I couldn't run any European tracks ever.

Oh, and by the way: the stars are not inverted, they are different. You can never see the Southern Cross from the northern hemisphere, or the Big Dipper from the southern.

I see - thanks for the info.

But the tracks that'd be picked for rotation would always have a considerable amount of lighting - would that help? It's not like you'd only have the option to run the Nordschleife, in complete darkness. Maybe the GP course instead - and you'd have the option to use either a fixed time/real time/accelerated time day/night progression, and either picking a time or using the actual time at that time zone in lobbies, too. I think even Le Mans has more lighting than the Nordschleife.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

I still think this is a terrible idea. It would assure that I couldn't run any European tracks ever.

Oh, and by the way: the stars are not inverted, they are different. You can never see the Southern Cross from the northern hemisphere, or the Big Dipper from the southern.

The development on that:

Each track has a real world location (even the fictional ones have a vague indication of geography, you could pin them to a real location for the games sake).

And when a race happens, it happens at whatever time happens to be the local time to that track. So it doesn't matter what time it is where you are - it's about what time it is at the track. That way it would change 24hrs around the clock.

Then you've got live weather you can add in.

So say it's 9pm GMT and clear skies here in UK when I get on to race. But in Suzuka its 6am and raining. So when I go to race at Suzuka, that's what I get.

That would work. And that would be cool.

 

[MIE1992]

Yeah. I had heard that Street Kart Racing game on iOS does that, so I thought that'd be awesome to see in GT. You can race at any time on your end, but the time-of-day at the track reflects its actual locale.

I'd also be fine if they took any precipitation and translated it into a chance of rain, as some courses shut down for the winter. So if it's snowing at a course in real life, I'd have it rain in-game. It's a sacrifice of realism I'd be willing to make in exchange for not having entire courses closed for the winter - both in real life and in-game. Maybe more snow-based circuits/rally stages/etc. could show up in the winter?

Overall, I could see the daily races, time trials, and championships follow various real-world auto events, rather than having them be somewhat random. I'm sure there are enough combinations of cars/tracks in real life to do that - just look at the connection with the W08 at Suzuka time trial. Another example could be how the Tokyo Auto Salon and Tokyo Games Show could both correspond with Daily/Weekly Races at Tokyo Expressway, or SEMA with races at various Willow Springs layouts, given that both SEMA and Willow Springs are in Nevada.

IMO I do like the weekly format over the daily format, and I think that'd afford enough combinations for all the formats. It's just that I may change the qualifying a bit - I wonder how well Grid '19 and its one-lap qualifying works out, being right before each race? Granted, I'd maybe make it last maybe two or three laps instead, but I do like the idea, rather than potentially picking one car for qualifying and a different one for the race, and also being able to use a single qualifying time for multiple races.

Racing, from what I get, is about how good you're doing that given day, not how good you are overall. So it almost feels like a bit of a disconnect when you can use your best time - potentially set with a different car - for so long. Which is why I honestly really prefer the qualifying in the championship events. (Though I'd space out the cars a bit more than they do now - though there is the factor of using drafting to your advantage, and comparing that to dealing with traffic. That's a potential matter of strategy, and come to think of it, that's actually pretty neat, to weigh those two options.)

 

[05XR8]

Did that race A. Started on Pole. Had a respectable battle with P2. I outbroke myself into the final turn. P2 & P3 went by. I got P2 into T1.
Gaining on P1 by the final turn on on Lap2, P3 decided to come all the way back from Gundungaland and T-bone me. I spin and remain in 3rd.

End of screen, I see P2 starting to type. I exited. Done until next week.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Ah,

I see - thanks for the info.

But the tracks that'd be picked for rotation would always have a considerable amount of lighting - would that help? It's not like you'd only have the option to run the Nordschleife, in complete darkness. Maybe the GP course instead - and you'd have the option to use either a fixed time/real time/accelerated time day/night progression, and either picking a time or using the actual time at that time zone in lobbies, too. I think even Le Mans has more lighting than the Nordschleife.

ok, I was under the impression that you wanted the time zones to be deciding the light

 

[stpatty]

For anyone still struggling with St. Croix, Super GT has a lap guide in his video:

 

[Pigems]

That would make qualifying pretty much useless though. You’d Q on a dry daytime track only to race on a wet night track at times? I wouldn’t like that at all, I prefer to race under ideal conditions.

 

[El_Beardo]

And when a race happens, it happens at whatever time happens to be the local time to that track. So it doesn't matter what time it is where you are - it's about what time it is at the track. That way it would change 24hrs around the clock.

Then you've got live weather you can add in.

Brands Hatch. Gr.2. 02:00hrs, at the end of January, -3c.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

Brands Hatch. Gr.2. 02:00hrs, at the end of January, -3c.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Ah. Yeah. OK. Good point. Well made.

 

[El_Beardo]

Could be even worse. If Trac Môn was in the game. Can you imagine trying to race at night, in a Welsh winter storm?

Side note. Trac Môn definitely needs to be in some games.

 

[Pigems]

Could be even worse. If Trac Môn was in the game. Can you imagine trying to race at night, in a Welsh winter storm?

Side note. Trac Môn definitely needs to be in some games.

The track in Montreal(if it were in GT) during January/February wouldn’t be much fun either, unless you were in a Raptor or a WRX/Lancer.

 

[sturk0167]

When keeping it real goes wrong!

So I guess if you're gonna slow down to wait for the guy you accidentally punted, maybe you should try not to forget about that other car that is right behind you.

 

[Redneckchef]

When keeping it real goes wrong!

So I guess if you're gonna slow down to wait for the guy you accidentally punted, maybe you should try not to forget about that other car that is right behind you.

I pulled that once last week. Pulled over to let them back by forgetting we were only slightly ahead of a pack on tokyo. One crash I didn't complain about as it was entirely my fault, think I got the penalty for it too. Had two weird sets of pulling over at Fuji this week, both where I outbroke myself and taped the other car. Neither was a crash but definitely letting em back in front. First time a guy in the LM55 refused to go, like he thought I was lining him up for another hit or something. Left us both stopped for about a second on the second hard left there. The other time I tapped the, going into the last turn as we took different lines and just crossed, pulled over after turn 1 and they went on by, car behind them did the same as I was getting up to speed and just didn't brake or turn for the next corner, straight on at full speed. Maybe that was them giving me the spot back for being nice?

Stil grumpy about Race B. I know I can do better on the track, been figuring things out, but riding 5 seconds behind everyone feels like my first days when I had no clue what was going on. Might have to do a long round of qualifying and see if I improve or how I feel. I don't mind losing when I am outraced or I make mistakes but I wasnt even in a race those 2 times.

As for time of year and weather, Sambabus, Nordschliefe, February!!!!!!
Big Willow, Heavy rain!

 

[JoeyLeonine]

St Croissant is actually quite unforgiving. The cambers off of the racing line are just brutal. You get the line wrong and miss and apex you might as well be racing half way across the world.

 

[sturk0167]

I pulled that once last week. Pulled over to let them back by forgetting we were only slightly ahead of a pack on tokyo. One crash I didn't complain about as it was entirely my fault, think I got the penalty for it too. Had two weird sets of pulling over at Fuji this week, both where I outbroke myself and taped the other car. Neither was a crash but definitely letting em back in front. First time a guy in the LM55 refused to go, like he thought I was lining him up for another hit or something. Left us both stopped for about a second on the second hard left there. The other time I tapped the, going into the last turn as we took different lines and just crossed, pulled over after turn 1 and they went on by, car behind them did the same as I was getting up to speed and just didn't brake or turn for the next corner, straight on at full speed. Maybe that was them giving me the spot back for being nice?

Stil grumpy about Race B. I know I can do better on the track, been figuring things out, but riding 5 seconds behind everyone feels like my first days when I had no clue what was going on. Might have to do a long round of qualifying and see if I improve or how I feel. I don't mind losing when I am outraced or I make mistakes but I wasnt even in a race those 2 times.

As for time of year and weather, Sambabus, Nordschliefe, February!!!!!!
Big Willow, Heavy rain!

Are you gonna be racing anytime soon? I just did a race from the back, on my Australian account. About to do another one.

 

[Redneckchef]

Are you gonna be racing anytime soon? I just did a race from the back on my Australian account. About to do another one.

I have qualified now but have the kids at home for the last friday of school holidays. Might be able to make a 10:30 race. Will see if I can bump the kids off the TV without a fight. Which race? Edit: next race on the half hour

 

[6BK]

Found my sled for St. C- my beloved Rc F. Certainly not the fastest, but I love it. Stable, good brakes, and sounds like a Mad Max movie. I found the lift-off oversteer of the Ferrari too much to deal with. It sure is pretty, though.

My best Q time is in the Ferrari. Love the turn in. Love the sound. In race however you summed it up for me. You need to adjust from your perfect line for any reason and the tail can go (on me anyway). Pity!

I know some folks avoid the META for their own deep philosophical reasons, and they’ll say they hate the GT-R this week because everyone is in it but next week when it’s actually poop again they’ll sing it’s praises, but so far it is the only car I can hot lap AND race in with any consistent success.

 

[sturk0167]

I have qualified now but have the kids at home for the last friday of school holidays. Might be able to make a 10:30 race. Will see if I can bump the kids off the TV without a fight. Which race? Edit: next race on the half hour

B. I'll go ahead and put down a Q lap.
It won't be very good. I've got a buzz going.

 

[Redneckchef]

B. I'll go ahead and put down a Q lap.3
It won't be very good. I've got a buzz going.

Heck I was starting in the back with mine last time anyway

 

[RacingGrandpa]

@JoeyLeonine tag, you're it!

Edit: followed by a power out. Whole area down

 

[Redneckchef]

Ouch, that 1 race with @sturk0167 and the bowling ball was ugly

 

[MIE1992]

Ah,

ok, I was under the impression that you wanted the time zones to be deciding the light

Only for the track location. So let's say you're playing GTS at 9PM Eastern Standard Time. If you were racing at Laguna Seca, the light would be as if it were 6PM, as this track would be following Pacific Standard Time. You would not need to actually be racing at 6PM EST. Similarly, you would not need to be racing in the early morning hours for a European track, as it's just how the day/night cycle would be reflected. You can still race at any track at any time, unless you have a serious antipathy for racing on some tracks when they'll be set at night.

Basically, it's like taking the time-of-day conditions for the courses in the Daily Races, and making them dynamic, specifically in real-time, and some would be further along than others due to the courses being set in different time zones. You don't actually have to race at like, 1pm if you want to drive on the Nurburgring. It's just that the course will act like it's 1pm, as it'd be 1pm in Germany.