"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Redneckchef]

So yeah, had some editing time and ran 2 clips together into 1 to post on youtube. The first part is me being a total idiot and taking my gifted 3rd place and actually managing to lose spots with it when I crashed into the barrier and panicked. Duh hur.

The second half is when I was delayed starting as I was putting my kid back to bed, and the usual carnage of mid pack lap 1. My mistakes and all others included.

Edit: Have I mentioned how the people driving the F1 on this track scare the poop out of me? That car seems more unstable than the Supra.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I drove the F1, I found it very stable, on the dull side. I doesn't corner very fast and using kerbs is always risky at the nurb. I just hit one in T1 in the race just now I was trying to avoid him but he went the same way, hit his right tail light, bumped him into a car that had gone wide, my bad 4 sec penalty, already served in the first section, which let @Pigems catch up for a great race!

Z4 is next on my list, that's not going to do very well. My comment reads, slow on straights, wave em on by

 

[Pigems]

That went much better, I’ll take a CRB on N24 any day of the week.

Another great race for you too @Sven Jurgens , I can’t keep up with you on this combo.

 

[Redneckchef]

I drove the F1, I found it very stable, on the dull side. I doesn't corner very fast and using kerbs is always risky at the nurb. I just hit one in T1 in the race just now I was trying to avoid him but he went the same way, hit his right tail light, bumped him into a car that had gone wide, my bad 4 sec penalty, already served in the first section, which let @Pigems catch up for a great race!

Must be the people I am seeing race it as well. They don't seem to want to slow down for the turns much or are just not taking into account the bad brakes.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

1:19:107 in the Mustang. A new personal best qt. Pleased.

 

[Qyn]

This is from last night, the wide boy Peugeot beat me but the fun is in the chase.

Nice camera work. 👍

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Nice camera work. 👍

Thanks, "LZR_Lewis" was holding the tripod . I would've uploaded the reverse bumper cam but it's not stable enough with the bumps and tiny lag jumps.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

Full House.

P2 stuck with me for the first 2 laps and I started getting twitchy. But he blinked first and dropped to +2 secs, so I relaxed and cruised it home.

He finished +1.7
P3 backwards were +10...

 

[DK]

What a difference SR makes. After a week of mining SR at Suzuka and Goodwood, my 1:17.3 saw me qualify 3rd in a field of high-80s SR...one clean race later and I end up 13th. Oh well, at least I won't be racing for a pittance in tomorrow's FIA races.

 

[Pigems]

I’ve got a practice lobby for tomorrow’s FIA races if anyone is interested.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Dirty hour has landed. Last race, -14 SR to 85. A couple fast guys made a mess up front then started barging through the field to get back up. One tried to pass me on the middle straight. I gave him plenty room, he couldn't hold his line and hit me a couple times, went off, 3 sec for me. I gave him 3 sec back and the end of the straight. Lap 2, he hits me twice again coming out of T1. Second time I go over the line, he gets 3 sec, so he punts me and I get 3 sec lol. Speed but no race craft, the most dangerous combination.

Oh well, let's see what the sub 90 SR.S lobby is like. 90-99 SR was too dirty. Started 13th, finished 13th. First race I lost DR this week. First drop below 90 SR as well.

Starting 13th again, 8:11 qualifier on pole. Much slower room, not. Well, second place is 8:25. Farmer on pole!

Holy 🤬 what a mess. Nose stickers, rammers, cars losing control all over the place. Then after I somehow survive lap 1, they all pit! Except the leader and one follower that disappears later. They are way out ahead thus a quiet second lap, until Disconnected

I still gained 1 SR after the disconnect yet lost about 1800 DR while 18 seconds ahead of 3rd at the time of disconnection. 86 SR now, another crazy room Starting 8th next, I'm so screwed.

Yay, survived. Second place with CRB, back to 98 SR. I got less than 300 DR back though.... I had a full field of D/S drivers starting behind me. Supra won in 16:55 race time, out ahead. There's always one in every room!

Time for a break, way to nerve wrecking racing during dirty hour! Plenty red As at the end of that race.

 

[NoStopN]

Nah, you'll be fine mate. x3 tyre wear means they last a good amount of laps. I'm getting 15 out of softs.

I was just playing. I ran a full fuel stint on a set of tires.

There's space for both of you, mate. No worries about picking a number. I've decided this one is going to be very casual. So, just rock up with whichever livery you want, at 100% power and weight.

Oh good, no number needed anymore? I made a new livery the other night & it has no number. It will fit in quite nice for this race.

I still need to pick up some speed best lap 1:19:240. What is everyone setting their brake bias at? I'm running 2 to the rear in the 86GT but wonder if that might not be a bit much.

I ran -2 (to the front) & this is the result:



Sorry if some of you have seen this before, but it's my best lap with this track/tire/class combo, so I'm gonna brag a little.

Should you have +BB for a FR? I run the Mustang at -3.

I run all of my FR cars at -2, except the Corvette at -1.

I did run about a half dozen races last night & finished lower than I started in every one of them. The spin cycle was very active last night. I even started on pole in one race only to make a mistake & eventually finish 3rd.

 

[Lateralus5813]

Well, apparently, starting last and gaining 5, 6 positions won't boost your DR too much. I had to qualify for race B.

Did one race, started P9, finished P5. I'm doing surprisingly well at Big Willow, very few mistakes, SR went to 99. Good week.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

Race A: Did a couple yesterday. Good and clean podium finish everytime but the track is overused so I don't think I will be back there.
Race B: Willow is not my favorite..... may give it a try.
Race C: Did two races this morning, no QT, and finished 9th in both. One from 16th and the other from 11th. Used the big low end torque of the Vette and I will probably stick to it.
It's so hard (and dangerous) to follow closely on that track it make overtaking very difficult. Tomorow is day off so I will get the wheel and put a QT and see what I can do from there. I hope to be able to retain my starting position at least.

 

[sturk0167]

Sorry if some of you have seen this before, but it's my best lap with this track/tire/class combo, so I'm gonna brag a little.

Did you try it in Sport Mode qualifying yet? Should be about a half a second quicker. 👍

 

[Redneckchef]

Ye gads, what have I done. Trying to realy nail and feel comfortable with the N24 but my lap 1 curse is in full swing, but mostly confined to the GP course. I have had solid finishes, clean(ish) races and solid starting places. Buuuut, every race without fail I am getting thrashed in turns 1 and 2. Tried being aggressive, cautious, slow and methodical, whatever I can think of other than parking it. I have been punted or penalized by massively aggressive drivers every time, often ending up in last. I am still ending up with good finishes, but feel sort of cheated when I finish a race 25 or 30 seconds off the lead, but lost 20 of that due to the first few corner shenanigans and then had to follow slow drivers for ages as I am simply not great at nailing good passes on the narrow parts of the track.

Other than that I am getting much smoother and more stable on the track and know what is coming up about 95 pct of the time. This track definitely doesn't reward aggressive driving, but you can speed away with steady, smooth and deliberate lines. Back for more.

Edit: And it would be more of the same. Actually through turn 2 when someone blasts me and I am spinning and end up facing the wall. Now dead last, 7.5 behind the next car. I was doing ok despite a couple of my own mistakes after that when I spend half the lap behind a beetle pulling the rolling road block maneuver. Should have punted them but am determined to do it clean, and had to go full on through the grass to do it. Within 5 turns I have a 3 second lead. Ugh.

 

[astrarobotica]

I had my internet disconnect earlier, my ratings took a hit, and again I got put in a lobby where no one can keep up. I was stuck behind a group of four fighting each other like crazy on lap one, three of them with penalties. They all serve their penalties or pit which puts me in second, seven seconds behind the WRX in first. But, it's a WRX, so I catch up pretty quickly and just wait for a good point to pass. I make a move on the long uphill bit because he has no speed with me in the slipstream, and... he pulls a shameful block and doesn't let me by. I almost lose it trying to avoid him, letting him build a gap again. I'm so frustrated that I keep making small errors, and by the time I hit the final straight the gap is over three seconds. And then...

He runs out of fuel halfway down the straight. I win, he finishes sixth. I don't really believe in karma but god damn, justice was served.

 

[Granadier]

@Pigems I shift at 10 % of the bar lap one, no rush, just a warm up lap! Lap 2 is the race

Looking at your feed, doesn't engine braking use fuel? I down shift late not to have the over revving engine suck fuel out of the tank, but no clue if that's a real thing.

Not sure how it's modeled in GT, but in a real life engine braking will use limited to no fuel. The braking force is achieved through the dead compression resistance of the cylinder chambers without any ignition of fuel.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Not sure how it's modeled in GT, but in a real life engine braking will use limited to no fuel. The braking force is achieved through the dead compression resistance of the cylinder chambers without any ignition of fuel.

On the road that is correct. On a race track no. Look at the exhaust pipe of an engine braking car in a race, it's shooting fire out of the pipe. Unburned fuel.

 

[Lateralus5813]

Finished 3rd two times in a row!! Wow!! One starting P5 and the other P7. My qualifying time is 1:18.8, how are people doing 1.16??? Crazy!

ps: I'm always using the Jag.

 

[sturk0167]

Not sure how it's modeled in GT, but in a real life engine braking will use limited to no fuel. The braking force is achieved through the dead compression resistance of the cylinder chambers without any ignition of fuel.

On the road that is correct. On a race track no. Look at the exhaust pipe of an engine braking car in a race, it's shooting fire out of the pipe. Unburned fuel.

Hmm... Both of those seem to make sense.

 

[Granadier]

On the road that is correct. On a race track no. Look at the exhaust pipe of an engine braking car in a race, it's shooting fire out of the pipe. Unburned fuel.

Correct, but it depends. I was describing road-legal behavior which was the wrong explanation given the context.
But the race cars won't be dumping fuel through the exhaust on lift at all times. Watching a GT car downshift into a corner you can see the flames with each shift because of the engine map blipping the throttle on the downshift, which ends up dumping some unburnt fuel into the exhaust which ignites there. Flames coming out on lift without a downshift can be a rich mixture from full-throttle suddenly having the throttle closed and the excess gets through unburnt. Feeding fuel into the cylinder at all times under engine braking intentionally though would just waste fuel economy.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I hit a laggy car braking early, I slow, no real damage, he just scraped the wall a bit, no positions changed, but of course a 4 sec penalty. Oh well, I hit him, my fault. Then a car that's been pushing me punts me off twice, I'm in the sand and grass, screwed, he doesn't get anything... No lag involved there. Then a lightbulb goes off. It was a DR.B driver that punted me off. I'm DR.A now. That 🤬 again

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Then a lightbulb goes off. It was a DR.B driver that punted me off. I'm DR.A now. That 🤬 again

You're his master/senpai/whatever you want to call it. You're faster and have the better race craft and he's still learning the ropes. I'm sure he'll learn from his mistake and not to do it again in future.


/s

 

[Mc_Yavel]

On the road that is correct. On a race track no. Look at the exhaust pipe of an engine braking car in a race, it's shooting fire out of the pipe. Unburned fuel.

I'm no expert but...
It's not unburned fuel from injector and spark plug when off the throttler, it's more likely the small amount already going true the system at the moment of releasing the throttle. Ignition from the spark plug doesn't happend, the gaz go in and out the cylinder and is ignite by the heat. Also the ECU bleeping the rpm to revmatch the downshift. really small amout of gaz.

I don't know how the game deal with this.

Correct, but it depends. I was describing road-legal behavior which was the wrong explanation given the context.
But the race cars won't be dumping fuel through the exhaust on lift at all times. Watching a GT car downshift into a corner you can see the flames with each shift because of the engine map blipping the throttle on the downshift, which ends up dumping some unburnt fuel into the exhaust which ignites there. Flames coming out on lift without a downshift can be a rich mixture from full-throttle suddenly having the throttle closed and the excess gets through unburnt. Feeding fuel into the cylinder at all times under engine braking intentionally though would just waste fuel economy.

That's why I should read all post before posting!

Feeding fuel into the cylinder at all times under engine braking intentionally though would just waste fuel economy.

But RedBull Renault did it in the Vettel era. Throttler and spark plug off, keep the injectors going while in curve. The exhaust output under the car made hot air (less density) flowing faster under the car generate a low pressure sucking the car on the gorund. It's forbiden now.

 

[sturk0167]

As I understand it, these guys are blowing flames out of their exhaust because the engine's pushing the air/fuel mixture out of the combustion chambers before it's been fully burnt. It's definitely different from what you guys are talking about, but it looks cool.

At full throttle, they will go through 77 gallons per minute.

This is a bench test of one of it's fuel pumps. This is only for 1 of the 8 cylinders. It starts off showing the fuel flow at idle, then full throttle.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Its staggering how late on the brakes you can be at last corner of Willow Springs with the current physics model.

 

[Groundfish]

This evening I decided to venture in country
I rode into town on a Mustang, with a stone faced expression and hand rolled smoke hanging from my lips.


‘Murica’

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It's amazing how poor the race quality is in the evening, not a single good second lap time lol. Nothing new. I've been avoiding racing in the evening for the past month but N24 is just too addictive. Not good for ratings, I'm barely keeping SR near 99 while DR is dropping.

Scratch that, now down to 87 SR. Another penalty for getting rammed off the road then bump bump bump. Since when is draft bumping a thing on the Nord. I did finally get a good lap in with the Peugeot VGT, it accelerates slow hence all the bumping. It's bloody fast on the straights when it finally gets up to speed yet then you get to deal with cars that drive in the middle of the road. Touch grass with this one while under power, instant spin. Good on fuel, bad for SR/DR.

+96 DR for 4th place (from 18th) , yeah racing at night is just not worth the risks. Fun race anyway. Lot of red ratings again. My SR went back up to 93. Trying out the FT-1 VGT atm, bit slower than the Pug VGT but better acceleration.

 

[Granadier]

Went for a race around the ring before calling it a night, and dang was it an eventful one.

Started in 6th

Act 1: Granadier gets punted from another zip code


Act 2: Granadier gets shoved wide


Act 3: Granadier claws his way back from 16th

~ Fin
fuel saved waaay too much last lap