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[ASH32]

Well, that was a big time matchmaking fail!

Two S S guys including me, 15 D S guys and 3 C S guys... Safe to say that was an easy victory.

Yes this happens sometimes. I once had a three lap race where only 5 of us finished before the time ran out.

 

[zzz_pt]

Is it possible to lose DR points, even when winning the race, due to the calibre of opposition?

I don't think so. If you win a race, you can't be penalized for the matchmaking or because not enough people are playing. I got 13 points once. ^^

Yes this happens sometimes. I once had a three lap race where only 5 of us finished before the time ran out.

Yesterday in my american account, I raced the M4 at interlagos against A/S drivers and only one finished after me (+38 sec).

 

[iFuriousRacer]

I once had a three lap race where only 5 of us finished before the time ran out.

I had a GT3 race at Bathurst Mount Panorama where I finished the race and not even the 2nd placed finished the line before the time ran out. It was 'funny' to dominate the race but not really fun just driving alone without real competition...

 

[Miguelinho]

Out of interest, how many DR points did you gain after that grid?

Just under 100 I think, there was another S S guy

 

[Outspacer]

Is it possible to lose DR points, even when winning the race, due to the calibre of opposition?

No, when there's a difference of more than 39500 points, it limits the winner to gaining just 1 point from each of those drivers. So that's the case for every C or D that an S beats. The winner of the two S rated drivers would also gain about 80 points from beating the other. Assuming the other S came second, the other S would've lost about 65 points overall.

I don't know yet if it is limited in the opposite case of a D beating an S, so watch out!

 

[Robben]

No, when there's a difference of more than 39500 points, it limits the winner to gaining just 1 point from each of those drivers. So that's the case for every C or D that an S beats. The winner of the two S rated drivers would also gain about 80 points from beating the other. Assuming the other S came second, the other S would've lost about 65 points overall.

I don't know yet if it is limited in the opposite case of a D beating an S, so watch out!

So you could lose points by coming second then. Seems harsh when you can't choose who you are matched with.

 

[mc0029]

That was pretty awesome. I saw you coming but I was waiting to go full fuel and get past that Merc. I wanted to switch maps before the last left but I couldn't, so I did it exiting the last corner.

On another note, I hope the Vette gets a power bump with the next BoP adjustment

Yeah I saw the merc slow u up a bit getting onto the straight and knew I had a chance. I went to map 1 getting into the infield section and ran out crossing the line.

DR:S SR:S driver here. (at the moment )

Really enjoyed racing yesterday at Interlagos with the Group4 cars. Managed to do more than 7 races.
After having some awesome racing action and even managing to win a few races with the M4, I gave the Huracàn a go just to compare it directly to the M4 (I really like the high-revving NA engine). While being able to drive with the M4 the whole race on fuel map 1 (shortshifting + using slipstream to save a bit of fuel) without refueling, I had to run 9/10 laps on fuel map 2 in the Lambo just to be able to finish the race without refueling. Although you can brake a little bit later in the Lambo, get earlier on the throttle thanks to the all-wheel drive and the better tire wear (less and more even distributed) compared to the M4, the higher fuel consumption and the understeer out of corners made the car more difficult for me to drive at Interlagos, especially exiting the tight corners. I could keep up with 'slower' drivers but not reduce the gaps, even when having a 'perfect' lap and not missing a braking point.
My impression is that cars with turbo-charged engines are much more easy to drive quickly while still managing fuel consumption. I have a feeling that in the Lambo with its big naturally aspirated engine, you have to rev it completely out in order to have the best acceleration and thus can't save fuel without sacrificing pace.

Question: When you start from pole position, do you also prefer sometimes to let the 2nd placed overtake you and take advantage of the slipstream?
I don't know why, but especially against Méganes I like to follow them, make the drivers a little bit nervous and wait for the right moment (a little driving mistake or when the tires are worn) to overtake and try to create a gap while the other driver has to fight for 2nd position with other competitors.

I 'analysed' some replay videos from Interlagos and had to realise that all the other cars in front of me and even behind me had (more or less) less worn tires than me, even the fast fwd Méganes. So there's still some area to heavily improve for me: still be fast and better manage tire wear.

If the M4 can run the whole race on map 1 something needs to change. I had to short shift, draft and swap maps in the nsx and just made the finish. Tires weren't junk which was nice.

 

[ASH32]

Yeah I saw the merc slow u up a bit getting onto the straight and knew I had a chance. I went to map 1 getting into the infield section and ran out crossing the line.

If the M4 can run the whole race on map 1 something needs to change. I had to short shift, draft and swap maps in the nsx and just made the finish. Tires weren't junk which was nice.

It can't in clean air out front, maybe in the pack with a ton of slipstream and very short shifting (that will lose you time) it's possible I don't know. It being good on fuel is another reason a lot use it though, along with it being way faster than most cars.

 

[iFuriousRacer]

If the M4 can run the whole race on map 1 something needs to change.

As i wrote, I 'managed' to cross the finish line in two races with an empty fuel tank. It strongly depends on your driving style how much fuel the car burns, but it is still true that some cars have better fuel efficiency. There's a good reason why so many people drive Méganes or M4s. These cars seem to offer the best compromise of handling and fuel efficiency.

 

[zzz_pt]

I was doing 16:35 - 16:38 total race time with the M4. I couldn't do it with Fuel Map 1 only. Was doing 2 laps FM1, then 5 FM2 and then FM1 again. Always short shifting except Lap1. I was running low 39's on average. First couple of laps low 38's.

What total race times were you doing @iFuriousRacer?

 

[Outspacer]

So you could lose points by coming second then. Seems harsh when you can't choose who you are matched with.

Yes, but not a huge amount I suppose. It's best to consider it as two races in one - a 1v1 for the Ss, and a normal race for the rest. Whoever got third place was the winner of the rest and would've gained some decent points (maybe 1000 or so).

But if an S finished last in such a race (disconnect/quit), he could lose about 3000 points. Ouch.

 

[iFuriousRacer]

What total race times were you doing @iFuriousRacer?

My race durations range from 16:49 (incident free race + starting from pole position with the M4 and winning) to 17:10 (Huracàn at the back of the grid + 'racing incident' = being pushed off the track).
My average laptimes are around 40.5's, my fastest laps are low 39's but I only manage to drive this fast at the start of the race with fresh tires and no traffic slowing me down. My problem is that I destroy my tires too quickly so I 'naturally' get slower lap after lap and that's probably how I save fuel.
I'm no 'alien'...

 

[mc0029]

It can't in clean air out front, maybe in the pack with a ton of slipstream and very short shifting (that will lose you time) it's possible I don't know. It being good on fuel is another reason a lot use it though, along with it being way faster than most cars.

As i wrote, I 'managed' to cross the finish line in two races with an empty fuel tank. It strongly depends on your driving style how much fuel the car burns, but it is still true that some cars have better fuel efficiency. There's a good reason why so many people drive Méganes or M4s. These cars seem to offer the best compromise of handling and fuel efficiency.

I see. I guess tomorrow I'll give it a go.

edit. Quick and off topic slightly. Where do I apply the bop in time trial???

 

[Mr616]

I was doing 16:35 - 16:38 total race time with the M4. I couldn't do it with Fuel Map 1 only. Was doing 2 laps FM1, then 5 FM2 and then FM1 again. Always short shifting except Lap1. I was running low 39's on average. First couple of laps low 38's.

What total race times were you doing @iFuriousRacer?

What??? I was short shifting, using map 1 for lap 1, map 2 and 3 for the infield then map 1 for half the main straight. I'm not throttle happy either, yet got beasted by everybody I played against. Everybody seemed to be running a higher map. I finished dead last twice.

I even ran out of fuel on the last corner twice doing this, AND I was drafting. Something definitely felt off to me yesterday at Interlagos.

I should've saved replays but just turned it off.

 

[zzz_pt]

What??? I was short shifting, using map 1 for lap 1, map 2 and 3 for the infield then map 1 for half the main straight. I'm not throttle happy either, yet got beasted by everybody I played against. Everybody seemed to be running a higher map. I finished dead last twice.

I even ran out of fuel on the last corner twice doing this, AND I was drafting. Something definitely felt off to me yesterday at Interlagos.

I should've saved replays but just turned it off.

I might have some replays. Gotta check.

 

[Mr616]

I might have some replays. Gotta check.

I'd qualified 6th as well. I tried all sorts of variations of no pit strat, even using FM3 and 4 for a lap, and came last or nearly last every race. Bad day at the office, but this did come after all that login/psn issues yesterday.

Usually I'm good on fuel but yesterday left me scratching my head, and far from happy lol.

 

[zzz_pt]

I'd qualified 6th as well. I tried all sorts of variations of no pit strat, even using FM3 and 4 for a lap, and came last or nearly last every race. Bad day at the office, but this did come after all that login/psn issues yesterday.

Usually I'm good on fuel but yesterday left me scratching my head, and far from happy lol.

I gotta says I was testing this on my secondary account, currently D/S. So I don't know if I'd win with the same strategy on my main account (S/S). That's why I asked for the total race time instead of finishing position because the former is the same independently of lobby while the latter depends on your opponents.

I'll share a race in my Brazilian account. You can add me or follow me (zzz_am). I'll also repost the replay on my main account so it's easier to get for most people I guess.

Edit: can't upload the replay atm. Probably due to the PSN / GT server issues. Will do it latter.

 

[Mr616]

I gotta says I was testing this on my secondary account, currently D/S. So I don't know if I'd win with the same strategy on my main account (S/S). That's why I asked for the total race time instead of finishing position because the former is the same independently of lobby while the latter depends on your opponents.

I'll share a race in my Brazilian account. You can add me or follow me (zzz_am). I'll also repost the replay on my main account so it's easier to get for most people I guess.

You're a star. Thank you.

If I can, I'll let you know total race time, but I'm sure I don't have a replay. I know the lap times were 1.38-1.40s.

I'll send you an FR. My PSN is Silz616

 

[zzz_pt]

You're a star. Thank you.

If I can, I'll let you know total race time, but I'm sure I don't have a replay. I know the lap times were 1.38-1.40s.

I'll send you an FR. My PSN is Silz616

Keep getting this issue. I guess I'll have to try later today.

 

[Mr616]

Keep getting this issue. I guess I'll have to try later today.

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No worries. I was in a few races with Spark (whos on my friends list) so I'll see if he has race times. He's S/S and was 2nd on the grid. Had strong races to.

I'll let you know. Thanks again, and I look forward to chasing your lap times

 

[baldgye]

Spend 30mins qualifying, get a sub 1:58 around Nurb GP, yeee I’ll try a race now, one a night is ok for me...


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[TenderLoins]

Keep getting this issue. I guess I'll have to try later today.

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I’ve gotten that message every time I’ve tried to upload a replay since day one.

No problem with liveries or photo’s, just replays. Kind of annoying.

 

[PirovacBoy]

Is it possible to lose DR points, even when winning the race, due to the calibre of opposition?

Sadly, it actually is possible and happend to me more than once. I was the only Dr.S against a field full of Ds‘ was on Pole had door #1 won the race by miles and lost 42Points. The other times I lost around 12-23Points, very annoying, but ok it happened.

 

[Outspacer]

Sadly, it actually is possible and happend to me more than once. I was the only Dr.S against a field full of Ds‘ was on Pole had door #1 won the race by miles and lost 42Points. The other times I lost around 12-23Points, very annoying, but ok it happened.

Interesting. I've been analyzing whole races (scores for every driver) and have definitely seen it limit the scoring so that a high rated driver doesn't lose points when beating a low rated driver. I haven't managed to grab the data for such an extreme race as that yet though.

 

[PirovacBoy]

Interesting. I've been analyzing whole races (scores for every driver) and have definitely seen it limit the scoring so that a high rated driver doesn't lose points when beating a low rated driver. I haven't managed to grab the data for such an extreme race as that yet though.

Yes I was too very surprised that it actually happened. And like I said it happened more than once , I guess 3 or 4 times. It happened in the One Make Races a few weeks ago. Very strange, definitely. I mean it isn’t my fault being matched with lower Dr drivers maybe I should stop racing late at night, I don’t know.

 

[bmxmitch]

Got disconnected in 2 of 4 races at Suzuka. In my first race, an italian maniac tried to push me off the track in the last corner for place 6. And in the last one, I decided to end the race.
I`m now on my way back to DR E or something. Maybe I'll get some wins and poles there

I was so close to get Dr A, but I had enough today....
See you in a few days/weeks in Dr B again

 

[Outspacer]

Yes I was too very surprised that it actually happened. And like I said it happened more than once , I guess 3 or 4 times. It happened in the One Make Races a few weeks ago. Very strange, definitely. I mean it isn’t my fault being matched with lower Dr drivers maybe I should stop racing late at night, I don’t know.

Late night for wins, and prime time for DR

Both times I've seen the limiting it's been high A drivers rather than S. And looking back, in one of those races, the A came second to a C, with enough difference to cause that transaction to be limited - but, it's bugged Instead of limiting the C's gain from beating the A to 160, it takes 1 point away!!! He got 161 points less than he should've done!! edit: Oops, I had an error in the data, that bug didn't happen. Other bugs exist though...

So we can say it tries not to take points from you for winning, but sometimes it just can't help itself!

 

[baldgye]

Yeah booiiiisssss!!
Just had a really good and proper filthy GT race. Rubbing, pushing and good fun! Video is uploading... but until then, my first victory in the Audi!!

 

[FKAustria1911]

About the matchmaking: I am not sure if the game is that extreme in prioritizing SR, or it was down to me coming in last of the A drivers in the first race.

This happened: I only did 3 races deep in the night in race B with the X-Bow and I started out with a pretty low SR of 82 (due to some "incidents" with an idiot that made my blood boiling a few days ago...).

First race I was matched to the top guys, beside me 3 other A/S drivers with me being the slowest of them (not enough training, my quali time was 0.5 to 1.5s slower then the other As). In the race I was able to follow them to some degree and came in 4th.
My SR rose to 84 after the race, however in the next race I wasn't matched to the other As (I am sure two of them were still racing at that time), but only B, C and D drivers. I won that one and went to SR 87.
Then in my third race I once again was matched to the remaining 2 A drivers (and also finished 3rd).

I am not sure why in the second race I was matched to the slower guys, either some other people with a higher SR than me were matched to the top race,so there was no place for me there anymore, or was it because in my first race I only came in last among the A drivers?

 

[PirovacBoy]

Late night for wins, and prime time for DR

It actually is a bit like that, although I honestly didn’t and still don’t care about wins I just drive when I have time to do and set a good Qualy Time. I also noticed that the really fast people tend to race almost only in Gr3 and 4 races. Not that the Competition in the one makes is easy by no means, but I manage to get slightly better results in the One Makes.