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King_Ears
To be fair on lap 9 on the downhill left you did cut across his nose and force him off slightly. He may not have been alongside but you still need to give him space. You can't just drive like he's not there, so I can see why he got annoyed. Why he sacrificed his position to try and put you in the wall after he pulled off a great overtake on the last lap is a mystery.
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I don't really agree with me cutting him off. I followed my line and yes, he had more speed but when he is behind me I choose my line and he has to find a way around. If I should just give way to everyone who got a higher speed then defensive driving is off the table for every one. Defense is part of racing too. In this case I think he should have tried to undercut me, precisely as he did on the next lap. When he did so I just let him sail by because he made that overtake fair and square. That was good driving to me and I was surprised by his actions after that.
I still don't think I should give him space on that first attempt. I was ahead and followed the same line as everyone else.
Do you mean you should move from the racing line because someone faster is behind?

Edit: I didn't force him off. He went off himself in my book. But I can see how you would think I did. But to me he chose to drive off instead off lifting or maybe even braking. He was very close to me several times and struggled with slowing down. Every time he had higher speed out of a corner where the racing line was occupied by me he lost time so the gap grew, so maybe he hasn't experienced anyone driving defensive before. If so I understand he is frustrated but also if so it must have been a good learning experience for him...
 
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RacingGrandpa
I don't really agree with me cutting him off. I followed my line and yes, he had more speed but when he is behind me I choose my line and he has to find a way around. If I should just give way to everyone who got a higher speed then defensive driving is off the table for every one. Defense is part of racing too. In this case I think he should have tried to undercut me, precisely as he did on the next lap. When he did so I just let him sail by because he made that overtake fair and square. That was good driving to me and I was surprised by his actions after that.
I still don't think I should give him space on that first attempt. I was ahead and followed the same line as everyone else.
Do you mean you should move from the racing line because someone faster is behind?
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Yes defensive driving is part of racing but so is driver etiquette. What I mean is on the exit of the corner you shouldn't have drifted to the outside curb as much as you did so he had room. You wouldn't have lost any speed on exit as all you had to do was take a slightly tighter line and stay fractionally to the left so you didn't run him off the track. I'm not talking about leaving him a cars width, but just enough so he can stay on track.
 
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King_Ears
No i mean on the exit of the corner you shouldn't have drifted to the outside curb as much as you did so he had room. You wouldn't have lost any speed on exit if you'd stayed just fractionally to the left more so you didn't run him off the track
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I see what you mean. But I don't think I ran him off track, I think he did that himself. In such close racing you should be prepared to either brake or lift. He didn't.

And sorry, had I kept further to the left I would have lost a lot of time. i was at full lock coming round the bend, the Viper can turn but I had to take the inside line coming to the corner and that forces me wide
edit: and he would have passed me, I was trying to avoid that :)
 
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RacingGrandpa
I see what you mean. But I don't think I ran him off track, I think he did that himself. In such close racing you should be prepared to either brake or lift. He didn't.

And sorry, had I kept further to the left I would have lost a lot of time. i was at full lock coming round the bend, the Viper can turn but I had to take the inside line coming to the corner and that forces me wide
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You did though. Admittedly he positioned his car in a bad place going into the corner and is partially to blame but I stand by the opinion you could have given slightly more room, but it's your right to disagree. All I'm saying is I can completely see why he may have been annoyed with you.
 
King_Ears
You did though. Admittedly he positioned his car in a bad place going into the corner and is partially to blame but I stand by the opinion you could have given slightly more room, but it's your right to disagree. All I'm saying is I can completely see why he may have been annoyed with you.
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Oh, I understand why he was annoyed. It's the last part of the last lap I don't understand.
But thank you for your opinion. I shall try to make more room next time I am in a situation like this
 
Quick question to those using MT, when do you shift ?
1. Rpm like real life
2. Speed
3. Just listen to the engine vrooming like me :D

*Ofc i thought about this while trying the 787b
 
Pigems
RPM, Every car has an optimal shift point, not all are the same though. :)
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I noticed some works well with early shifts like the veryon gr4 , i always just ctrl v what the top guys do, maybe i should start focusing on the rpm :cheers:
 
KiepeYai
Quick question to those using MT, when do you shift ?
1. Rpm like real life
2. Speed
3. Just listen to the engine vrooming like me :D

*Ofc i thought about this while trying the 787b
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1: Yes
2: Yes
3: Yes

But also,

During a race, there are certain places and times, in certain cars at certain tracks, where you MUST shift regardless of RPM.

And knowing when NOT to shift (especially downshifting too early during braking) is just as important as knowing when to shift.
 
Groundfish
As cool as @0604 s post was, Maggiore reverse gr3 race c is equally uncool, to me.
That trash is undrivable that direction for me. I entered and tried it just now.
Total jk.
That track stinks in reverse imo.

Back to sr C A race.
I like forward ok but reverse is not worthy of being in the game imo. It’s turrible.
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As much as I agree with you, I'm somehow obsessed with it. It's this weird, awkward layout yet I can't stop coming back to it and trying to figure it out.
 
Pigems
RPM, Every car has an optimal shift point, not all are the same though. :)
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Depending on tranny some cars shift points vary a bit even between gears.
Some cars are super finicky about this.
 
Rule #1 is RPM/torque curve. Shifting too soon or too late can lose you several tenths on a long acceleration.

Rule #2 is like someone mentioned depending on track. I short-shifted in the corkscrew on Laguna for example to avoid spinning out. I almost always short-shift first to second in tricky corners because a tenth down from poor use of torque is still faster than 5 seconds down from spinning out!
 
Groundfish
As cool as @0604 s post was, Maggiore reverse gr3 race c is equally uncool, to me.
That trash is undrivable that direction for me. I entered and tried it just now.
Total jk.
That track stinks in reverse imo.
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They all stink in reverse, maybe Gardens is OK but they all stink. Downhill essess are a RUBBISH idea.
 
Pigems
RPM, Every car has an optimal shift point, not all are the same though. :)
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Ok stupid question time . . . how can I determine actual RPMs if I run bonnet cam (with rear view mirror)? I have only seen RPM indications (or a form of it like RPM colored bars) when running in cockpit cam. Do you have to run cockpit cam? Thank you, any assistance is appreciated.
 
Timm Sheehan
Ok stupid question time . . . how can I determine actual RPMs if I run bonnet cam (with rear view mirror)? I have only seen RPM indications (or a form of it like RPM colored bars) when running in cockpit cam. Do you have to run cockpit cam? Thank you, any assistance is appreciated.
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This may be a completely inaccurate way to do it but I do it by sound. You can hear your RPMs in the exhaust sounds.
 
barak181
This may be a completely inaccurate way to do it but I do it by sound. You can hear your RPMs in the exhaust sounds.
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Thank is what I do now but I am never sure if it is near the shift point on the RPM curve. I try to never over rev and only short shift if the turn requires it or trying to save fuel. I am never sure if these are correct either.
 
Timm Sheehan
Ok stupid question time . . . how can I determine actual RPMs if I run bonnet cam (with rear view mirror)? I have only seen RPM indications (or a form of it like RPM colored bars) when running in cockpit cam. Do you have to run cockpit cam? Thank you, any assistance is appreciated.
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Run bumper cam to see what the rpms are on the dial so you can then judge the light bar and/or sound. Also, check the power band in the settings screen to see where the optimal RPM range/shift point is for that car.
 
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Timm Sheehan
Ok stupid question time . . . how can I determine actual RPMs if I run bonnet cam (with rear view mirror)? I have only seen RPM indications (or a form of it like RPM colored bars) when running in cockpit cam. Do you have to run cockpit cam? Thank you, any assistance is appreciated.
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Easiest way is, once you know the rpm you want to shift at in the car you are driving, just pull over and hold the brake, then rev the motor to that rpm on he bottom tack, then see where that corresponds to the shift/rpm bar on top. Then you use that point as you’re reference. :)


So if I wanted to be shifting this car at 8500rpm, I’d shift when the bar is over the gear I’m in. :)
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What's usually the best car for Gr.4 at Seaside? I think I remember the TTs and Peugeots dominating the leaderboard the last time, but I'm not sure if they suffer too much with tyre wear in the race.
 
Timm Sheehan
Ok stupid question time . . . how can I determine actual RPMs if I run bonnet cam (with rear view mirror)? I have only seen RPM indications (or a form of it like RPM colored bars) when running in cockpit cam. Do you have to run cockpit cam? Thank you, any assistance is appreciated.
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If you want to make sure you're shifting at a particular rpm, do a test lap in cockpit mode, where you can see the tachometer. Make note of, or remember your speed when you shift. In other words, if you shift from 2nd to 3rd at 5,000 rpm, and your speed at that time is 70 mph, you won't need the tachometer anymore. You'll just know to shift at 70 mph. The speed is always shown for each of the views. 👍
 
Timm Sheehan
Ok stupid question time . . . how can I determine actual RPMs if I run bonnet cam (with rear view mirror)? I have only seen RPM indications (or a form of it like RPM colored bars) when running in cockpit cam. Do you have to run cockpit cam? Thank you, any assistance is appreciated.
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Use the gauge in cockpit before you decide to race it. Cars like the GR.4 Atenza, have an overrev/overboost. When you get to redline, the rev bar then goes beyond that, to the fuel cut. It's not noticeable in any other view. Thus, you may miss out on that extra performance by shifting too early.

Other cars, like the Vantage, when viewed from cockpit, the revs build quickly and don't rev past redline. So, it's about timing the rev bar in all other views.

stpatty
What's usually the best car for Gr.4 at Seaside? I think I remember the TTs and Peugeots dominating the leaderboard the last time, but I'm not sure if they suffer too much with tyre wear in the race.
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In the normal direction, it used to be the Huracan. With tyre wear races at DTS, the NSX was the META.
I remember the reverse direction was definitely the RCZ and TT.

I did a Custom Race last night. By lap 5, my RMs were at about 1/4 worn in the Mustang. Don't know how those FFs will fair.
 
stpatty
What's usually the best car for Gr.4 at Seaside? I think I remember the TTs and Peugeots dominating the leaderboard the last time, but I'm not sure if they suffer too much with tyre wear in the race.
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At the B race here a few weeks ago the viper was strong, I don't know about it's tyre wear though...
 
King_Ears
Yes defensive driving is part of racing but so is driver etiquette. What I mean is on the exit of the corner you shouldn't have drifted to the outside curb as much as you did so he had room. You wouldn't have lost any speed on exit as all you had to do was take a slightly tighter line and stay fractionally to the left so you didn't run him off the track. I'm not talking about leaving him a cars width, but just enough so he can stay on track.
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Saw your edit now. And that's right, I should have. Will try to do better next time.
 
barak181
As much as I agree with you, I'm somehow obsessed with it. It's this weird, awkward layout yet I can't stop coming back to it and trying to figure it out.
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Generally agree that the the forward layout is better *but* the esses are awesome and much more interesting in the reverse direction. The five curves run downhill and tighten starting in 6th gear, then 5th, then 4th and 4th again and then 3rd. The forward direction is usually flat after the first curve for most formulae.
 
KiepeYai
Quick question to those using MT, when do you shift ?
1. Rpm like real life
2. Speed
3. Just listen to the engine vrooming like me :D

*Ofc i thought about this while trying the 787b
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Usually, I shift based upon engine sound. Maybe that explains why I'm not the fastest driver here. :lol:

stpatty
What's usually the best car for Gr.4 at Seaside? I think I remember the TTs and Peugeots dominating the leaderboard the last time, but I'm not sure if they suffer too much with tyre wear in the race.
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I imagine the FF cars will still be tough. If a driver is fast in an FF, they could pull enough of a lead to do a pit stop & not lose the lead or be right behind the leader when they come out. Chaos reigns at DTS (among others). The closer you start to the front, the best chance you have to avoid unnecessary trouble.

cactus0
At the B race here a few weeks ago the viper was strong, I don't know about it's tyre wear though...
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On Gr. 4 cars, the Viper is slightly better than the Mustang on tire wear (per @XR8's info). Of course, that's from my testing. Some people use different BB settings which can affect tire wear.

Little_Guppy
Generally agree that the the forward layout is better *but* the esses are awesome and much more interesting in the reverse direction. The five curves run downhill and tighten starting in 6th gear, then 5th, then 4th and 4th again and then 3rd. The forward direction is usually flat after the first curve for most formulae.
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Last night was the first time that I was able to race dailies for the week & the reverse direction is better in sections than forward. Those esses are one of those sections. I had fun attacking them being able to carry more speed than I normally would going forward & led to some close racing.
 
This jackass hit me about 10 times during the race. Never pull alongside him.
I got two 1 second penalties for being bumped outside of the track limits twice.
As you can see, I gained a tremendous advantage by going wide there. :lol:
Excellent work, PD. 👍 He finished with a blue rating.
 
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sturk0167
This jackass hit me about 10 times during the race. Never pull alongside him.
I got two 1 second penalties for being bumped outside of the track limits twice.
As you can see, I gained a tremendous advantage by going wide there. :lol:
Excellent work, PD. 👍 He finished with a blue rating.
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My alt has lost more SR this week from people running into me. It really is remarkable how broken the system is right now.
 
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