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[MidnightRun85]

What is wrong with me??

In all B races I always get decent lap times in qualification, and I always start within the 5-6th position.
But on Lago Maggiore I can't seem to get anything better than 2:05.757 and I always start at the bottom of the pack.
I tried a lot of different cars. The TT/RCZ are, apparently, the best of them...

The difference in height and the fact that I really hate this track might play a big factor but I don't know. Anybody else having issues?

Yep, same. I've had an alright qually time of 2:03:9 but still starting mid pack and often finishing around 8th to 10th, never better. Also had some shocking races there this week...

 

[Groundfish]

What is wrong with me??

In all B races I always get decent lap times in qualification, and I always start within the 5-6th position.
But on Lago Maggiore I can't seem to get anything better than 2:05.757 and I always start at the bottom of the pack.
I tried a lot of different cars. The TT/RCZ are, apparently, the best of them...

The difference in height and the fact that I really hate this track might play a big factor but I don't know. Anybody else having issues?

I’d bet turning on line and cones will shave that time by at least a second, if you have them off.

 

[Timm Sheehan]

All this talk about Race C strategy is good, it means that the race will be varied. I suspect the key will be in not fighting too much and managing the tires.
I’m glad to hear the Ferrari might be competitive, because I didn’t get to use it much in the last FIA season. No way I’m signing with them again though.
What’s the chance of some fools showing up in a TT because they saw it on the top 10 leaderboards though?

Anyway, I didn’t run too many races this week, but I had some really good ones. This one is my personal favourite, as it has some great close racing, along with a VERY dramatic final lap. I won’t spoil it though, you’ll have to watch it for yourself!

I don’t think I’ll make any videos next week, Laguna is fun but not THAT fun.

Awesome replay and commentary!

 

[Yard_Sale]

I’m guessing the best cars for the race will be the Porsche, McLaren and Ferrari. TT Cup will be the Q car though.

Edit: This may even be one race where the Gr.4 Supra might even be able to work in race.

last time we had this combo, the TT was the alpha (as per usual), but the Megane Trophy actually worked really well. Surprisingly well actually, considering how much it’s been nerf’d over the past couple years. But the gear splits are just about perfect and Laguna is a track that rewards a car that can handle

 

[Geauxgreddy]

Even though I've been under the weather this week, I managed a few good races in Race C. Got a 3rd, 9th, a 4th, and a win but the 3rd race was by far the most fun. Picked up around 2500 DR in those 4 races, so that was a nice bonus.

 

[roamingbard13]

Even though I've been under the weather this week, I managed a few good races in Race C. Got a 3rd, 9th, a 4th, and a win but the 3rd race was by far the most fun. Picked up around 2500 DR in those 4 races, so that was a nice bonus.

Another great recap. Your race was pretty much exactly like most of mine have been this week -- a struggle between making runs, getting dirty air, and waiting for others to make mistakes (or in my case, frequently making them yourself and trying to save it ). The lobbies have been sizzling fast all week, which definitely adds to the intensity. I'm normally pretty chill during the dailies, but most of the racing this week has come close to FIA heart rate levels.

I'm trying to get to DR A+ too, although for me, this will be my first trip. I thought I would get it done, but I think I'm done racing this week at 49.2k. Even with the quick lobbies, the last 2000 points are a grind, and racing before prime-time has meant losing points for top 5 finishes occasionally.

Spa is one of my favorite tracks, but Laguna is up there too, so I'm shooting for Monday to break into the A+ range, I think.

Edit:

Oh, BTW -- we just call him Netflix Password

 

[Rexracer702]

Since I have the day off, I decided to spend some time behind the wheel. Been racing from the back, and got a podium last night, so decided to see where my 59.9 would put me. Not much difference in the grid spot. I was at P14, but started in P12 since a couple guys dropped out. I guess they didn't like seeing the top 8 in the 57's and 58's. Honestly, it didn't thrill me either, since I would like a shot at getting back to DR-A. Race went as expected. A bit of bumping, some aggressive moves, but not bad. I had a bogus 1 second penaly that hurt me...cost 2 spots mid-race, but managed to finish 10th. Best lap was a 2:01.5, but i had at least 3 or 4 others in the 2:01's, so pretty good for me.

Decided to try Q for race B. Ran my Viper, the Alfa, the 650s and the Ferarri. Couldn't get out of the 2:05's . Not my best track. I hate FF, and don't ever race them really, but decided to try the TT since it's the meta. 2nd lap was in the 2:04's, and by lap 8 I had a 2:03.6. They really need to do something about these cars. If I can run 2 seconds faster than my best (other) time in 8 laps, there's a serious problem with BOP settings.

Edit: it might be partly the forgiving nature of FF, but I would love to know what one of the top drivers can do in a FR car compared to the TT here.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Well I thought I might try and set a time for race B, load ghost and just despair as the ghost totally ignores the track at 3 corners, Why have track limits at all if they only apply to certain corners?

 

[NAXEHT]

Been playing since the closed beta with almost 2,400 Sport mode races finished. Current daily B on Lago Maggiore in Gr.4 (read: worst car in the game: TT) is, I firmly believe, the worst race I’ve ever done since the closed beta. Utter TRASH!

 

[Geauxgreddy]

Another great recap. Your race was pretty much exactly like most of mine have been this week -- a struggle between making runs, getting dirty air, and waiting for others to make mistakes (or in my case, frequently making them yourself and trying to save it ). The lobbies have been sizzling fast all week, which definitely adds to the intensity. I'm normally pretty chill during the dailies, but most of the racing this week has come close to FIA heart rate levels.

I'm trying to get to DR A+ too, although for me, this will be my first trip. I thought I would get it done, but I think I'm done racing this week at 49.2k. Even with the quick lobbies, the last 2000 points are a grind, and racing before prime-time has meant losing points for top 5 finishes occasionally.

Spa is one of my favorite tracks, but Laguna is up there too, so I'm shooting for Monday to break into the A+ range, I think.

Edit:

Oh, BTW -- we just call him Netflix Password

You definitely have to pace to crack into A+. Hope you break through soon. Thats funny, I called him Netflix Password in my older videos until I sort of learned his "name" from racing him so much. LOL.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Well I thought I might try and set a time for race B, load ghost and just despair as the ghost totally ignores the track at 3 corners, Why have track limits at all if they only apply to certain corners?

Lago Maggiore has track limits. They just aren't where you would expect them to be. I assume you mean the esses before the banked corner? If so there is a drain outside the curb and that is the track limit.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Lago Maggiore has track limits. They just aren't where you would expect them to be. I assume you mean the esses before the banked corner? If so there is a drain outside the curb and that is the track limit.

That and corner 4 and the right hander just before the banked corner. Now I think all limits should be enforced as people gain from running wide on many tracks with no pen, but not even doing the insides is just ridiculous. So this isn't racing to see who's fastest, just who can cut the track the most without being penalised? This isn't as bad as being able to cut the chicane at Fuji in older games, but it's just as stupid.

 

[RX8 Racer]

Gr.1 really is my favourite class. My best TT time is 1:59.046 with the R18 '16. I could break into the 1:58s, but I'm happy with my time.

I had a bunch of good races to haul myself back into A rank, with an encounter with @Stephan on one occasion.

One of my late night races pitted me against two other S rank drivers, with me on pole. I ended up leading from lights to flag to take my 20th career win.

Race photos featuring my livery of my favourite streamer:

 

[Redneckchef]

Been bouncing around race C all week and just plugging along in the Toyota. Decided to take the Audi out to hit my k' goal and man what a different experience. A car without terminal understeer at low speed. Havent tried the 908 or 919 but now I am interested as I have always hated how that TS050 drives but usually used it like a safety net. Now to get better.

 

[GT5Power]

Finally managed to clock a 1:56.521 in race C qualifying and get myself into the top 10 worldwide. That took a while, hotlapping Spa is hard Hybrid issues (as with every Gr.1 time trial) didn't help either. But the lap is there at last

I'm not in an Audi though. I'm in a McLaren

 

[blaze________]

Race A: Early in the day, it was very fun, clean racing. By the evening, it was all out warfare. It nearly cost me my newly earned A+, so I had to go offline. Be careful, Tsukuba brings out the dive-bombing monsters.

 

[Stephan]

Gr.1 really is my favourite class. My best TT time is 1:59.046 with the R18 '16. I could break into the 1:58s, but I'm happy with my time.

I had a bunch of good races to haul myself back into A rank, with an encounter with @Stephan on one occasion.

One of my late night races pitted me against two other S rank drivers, with me on pole. I ended up leading from lights to flag to take my 20th career win.

Race photos featuring my livery of my favourite streamer:

I was honestly bamboozled when I was in the grid including you because it was quite possibly the most stacked grid I ever been to.

Now I learned that I'm not gonna be racing around 10 PM or so in my timezone because it seems around late hours is where the top players appear.

 

[Groundfish]

Since I have the day off, I decided to spend some time behind the wheel. Been racing from the back, and got a podium last night, so decided to see where my 59.9 would put me. Not much difference in the grid spot. I was at P14, but started in P12 since a couple guys dropped out. I guess they didn't like seeing the top 8 in the 57's and 58's. Honestly, it didn't thrill me either, since I would like a shot at getting back to DR-A. Race went as expected. A bit of bumping, some aggressive moves, but not bad. I had a bogus 1 second penaly that hurt me...cost 2 spots mid-race, but managed to finish 10th. Best lap was a 2:01.5, but i had at least 3 or 4 others in the 2:01's, so pretty good for me.

Decided to try Q for race B. Ran my Viper, the Alfa, the 650s and the Ferarri. Couldn't get out of the 2:05's . Not my best track. I hate FF, and don't ever race them really, but decided to try the TT since it's the meta. 2nd lap was in the 2:04's, and by lap 8 I had a 2:03.6. They really need to do something about these cars. If I can run 2 seconds faster than my best (other) time in 8 laps, there's a serious problem with BOP settings.

Edit: it might be partly the forgiving nature of FF, but I would love to know what one of the top drivers can do in a FR car compared to the TT here.

I’m not racing this week but I did turn on and run some times on B
Stang 03.7
Vette 03.29
Jag 03.7
650s 03.6
Tt cup within 3 laps 03.27
Got pissed tried to beat that in vette-nope. Had an easy 02 in vette a few times but messed up last sector.

It just takes so much time to get a really clean lap there, there’s a lot of ways to mess up...
I’m not sure how I feel about the med tire. I seem to be faster relative to rank on the hard compound...
I’m just tired of ff being in gr4.
I’d like to see some lower class A races too with all n100 say open to use...Itd be cool to see variety. The screensaver often shows racing with awesome variety then in sport mode we get oh boy 86 vs BRZ
Gr4 is pick your ff one make.
Gr3 is good.
Gr1 Audi vs Toyota
Meh

 

[NoStopN]

That and corner 4 and the right hander just before the banked corner. Now I think all limits should be enforced as people gain from running wide on many tracks with no pen, but not even doing the insides is just ridiculous. So this isn't racing to see who's fastest, just who can cut the track the most without being penalised? This isn't as bad as being able to cut the chicane at Fuji in older games, but it's just as stupid.

Coming out of turn 4 right before the first banked turn, I can’t recall getting a penalty there. I know I have, but it’s been so long. The track limit is very generous at Maggiore. Check my video from Monday night. In many places, concrete counts as track, even if all 4 tires are beyond the curb.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

That and corner 4 and the right hander just before the banked corner. Now I think all limits should be enforced as people gain from running wide on many tracks with no pen, but not even doing the insides is just ridiculous. So this isn't racing to see who's fastest, just who can cut the track the most without being penalised? This isn't as bad as being able to cut the chicane at Fuji in older games, but it's just as stupid.

Now I see your point, no doubt. But, this is racing too. If in RL the track limits where the same spot everyone would cut too.
Running as fast as possible within the rules is what's it about. And in this case the rules are where they are.
That last corner before the banked you can have one pair of wheels over the sausage.

 

[AfraidRacer]

Real racers break the track limits because the whole point of racing is to find the loopholes in the rules.
The homologation of the 250 GTO, BOP sandbagging, the double diffuser, all are such examples.

Spa 24 hours 2020 pole lap:

So this isn't racing to see who's fastest, just who can cut the track the most without being penalised?

The point of racing is to push the rules as much as possible.
I hope the video I posted makes more sense!

 

[RX8 Racer]

Real racers break the track limits because the whole point of racing is to find the loopholes in the rules.
The homologation of the 250 GTO, BOP sandbagging, the double diffuser, all are such examples.

Spa 24 hours 2020 pole lap:


The point of racing is to push the rules as much as possible.
I hope the video I posted makes more sense!

Well said. George Russell (and later, Charles Leclerc), were outright cutting the second half of the final chicane in the Virtual Spanish Grand Prix because F1 2019 apparently didn’t consider that cut to be violating the track limits. (Skip to 1:09:40 for both guys cutting the corner)




If the game/stewards don’t punish you for it, it’s fair game.

 

[Norrin Radd]

If the game/stewards don’t punish you for it, it’s fair game.

That's the thing, it's a game so setting rules that apply to every condition is super easy. I just don't understand why I need to learn what the rules are for each track in a game.

 

[barak181]

Now I see your point, no doubt. But, this is racing too. If in RL the track limits where the same spot everyone would cut too.
Running as fast as possible within the rules is what's it about. And in this case the rules are where they are.
That last corner before the banked you can have one pair of wheels over the sausage.

Yeah, it reminds me when the stewards at a F1 race say that they're not going to be enforcing track limits at a particular corner for whatever reason, the commentators immediately point out that every driver is going to be cutting that corner or straight lining that series of corners as much as possible. Drivers online and irl are going to take advantage of every opportunity.

That's the thing, it's a game so setting rules that apply to every condition is super easy. I just don't understand why I need to learn what the rules are for each track in a game.

Granted, the track limits in this game do vary wildly from track to track. But to a lesser extent, they vary from track to track irl, as well.

The way I see it, as long as PD isn't changing the track limits on us - and they seem to have been mostly consistent as long as I can remember - learning the limit from track to track is akin to learning the braking points and racing line from track to track.

Would it be better if there was more consistency across the tracks? Yes, of course. But they have been consistently inconsistent for so long that I just accept it as part of the game, at this point.

 

[AfraidRacer]

Finally managed to clock a 1:56.521 in race C qualifying and get myself into the top 10 worldwide. That took a while, hotlapping Spa is hard Hybrid issues (as with every Gr.1 time trial) didn't help either. But the lap is there at last

I'm not in an Audi though. I'm in a McLaren

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If you remove the fenders and roof from an LMP1, you basically get an F1 car.
Someone needs to make a render of this.

 

[Scuba1958]

Race A: Early in the day, it was very fun, clean racing. By the evening, it was all out warfare. It nearly cost me my newly earned A+, so I had to go offline. Be careful, Tsukuba brings out the dive-bombing monsters.

I feel your pain! Congrats on achieving A+! I've been in quite a few races with you this week and some have been just dreadful. Ran into one POS yesterday who had mastered the art of coming up behind and tapping my bumper just hard enough to push me wide (but not off the track) and then pass on the inside. No penalty for him, but the loss of position for me. I'm maddeningly close to A+ myself this morning. One more cup of coffee and it's back to Tsukuba!

 

[hardvibes]

Some tracks click, some don't. I don't know why. Some tracks I can hang with A+ racers and compete, especially if I'm "on". Some tracks I run at the back and can't compete at all. Once in a while I'll find a key something at one of those tracks, and make a big jump. When I have the time, I'll watch a replay from in car, then chase the ghost. Then I can tell where I'm loosing time, if
I stay close enough. Then back to the replay to learn more. Sometime, I never learn...

After looking at that last post, I got curious, and looked at my stats. Eliminating any track with less than 10 races, my best track (based on top 5 finishes) is Tokyo South Inner with 87% top 5 and 36% win rate with 58 races. Next is Tsukuba, with 80% and 25% out of 63 races. My worst is Mount Panarama with 5% top 5 and no wins, 20 races. Gotta work on that one.

I’d bet turning on line and cones will shave that time by at least a second, if you have them off.

From 2:07 (almost :08) I manage to squeeze a 2:04.950. Adding the racing line helped a bit in the beginning.

I got confident with the TT cornering and stopped braking so hard. I also managed to improve that much by running on top of the white rumble strips with the 4 wheels.
Recently I was scared taking corners due to the madness on Monza a few weeks ago.

BTW I'm not sure but I also think that PD ninja patched penalties for going off track, since the second half of the Monza week.

 

[Groundfish]

Good morning friends,

After putting the TT up on my friends list last night I set about beating it with the vette today.
I was unsuccessful. I dunno about these med tires...
Anyways I was beside myself with my name next to that darn Audi, so I ran a couple other cars...I was unable to beat the TT until hopping in the VW Scirroco. I was able to break the 03 barrier.
It’s got nice turn in...I’m not sure if I will race though...I’m afraid it might be a dead mans sr down party...

Cheers

Edit I entered 3 times. No lost sr but massive dr loss. For my dr I’d need a low 02 or 01.
The racing was just ok. I started behind a bunch of B S mostly.
The last race this joker was swerving all over behind me after I CLEARLY went inside on the front straight. Then he tried to off me so I turned a little left on turn two and gently safely put his car on the grass.
No pen to me. I dunno, I just think this combo isn’t for me. I like gr4 but these tires make ff even more ridiculously OP.
The medium tires on this combo feel vague to me too...I dunno I’m just not good with them here. They were fantastic in gr2 Seaside...
So overall, don’t like how the tires drive, it’s an Audi one make, my q times too slow...B drivers ahead have mid 02 q times but have. High 05 in race...
I have 03 q and the scirocco ran low 03 in race...Overall there’s very little to like here, overtaking consist mostly of the d bomb...people try and run two wide through the esses but you can’t get by because the TT power...Overall I give this race a 2 for enjoyment. Race c ha I’m not gonna even try. Spa is the most overrated track in the world. Race A Tsukuba is great, maybe I will try it...

 

[hardvibes]

@Groundfish Ahahaha thanks for suggesting the Scirocco. That turn in is exactly what I needed. Better turn in and better traction than the RCZ. After just 3 laps I'm half a second faster than in the TT!
Still working on it

EDIT: lol my first win on Lago Maggiore

 

[Little_Guppy]

Brake a bit later, trail brake better, perfect line and apex point, on the gas sooner, manage wheel spin better, don't lift, and in this race, in the Audi, manage the battery so there's always boost. Repeat at every corner. Easy
What I want to know is, what times are possible in the Toyota, and what times can the Audi do if you don't manage the battery, AKA, how much time is lost when boost runs out for the main straight and after LaSource. Those seem to be the spots I can always blow by them when they do.

Been bouncing around race C all week and just plugging along in the Toyota. Decided to take the Audi out to hit my k' goal and man what a different experience. A car without terminal understeer at low speed. Havent tried the 908 or 919 but now I am interested as I have always hated how that TS050 drives but usually used it like a safety net. Now to get better.

By the end of the week, as warned/predicted by this board, the Toyota over the Audi, was used by most.

My final notes on my Gr.1/Audi experience this week:

• The battery needs to be actively managed but it is fiendishly difficult though @GT5Power has managed to make it look easy in his video.
• There is 1.5 seconds to be gained, but said another way, there is 1.5 seconds to be lost compared to QT if you do not manage it.
• You need to burp/ease the throttle to avoid wheel spin in second gear.
• If managed, it is faster than the Toyota. I was never caught on Blanchimont and I managed a handful of passes.
• In addition to all the things @Rexracer702 said you also need to use the brake and throttle *concurrently* and still hit the apexes. I was vulnerable under braking as I have not mastered the whole brake/throttle/downshift/pray at once thing.
• It is easy to efficiently harvest maintain some charge up to Blanchimont. That is worth 0.5 s.
• It is near impossible to manage the battery until Eau Rouge. I managed this task in practice but not in the race. That is worth about 1.0 s.
• If you fully decharge by the 100 metre marker on the start/finish you are dead. It is hard. Only hard braking will restart the charge cycle and you lose two opportunities to painlessly harvest. It is downward self-defeating cycle.

In the right hands this car will beat the Toyota over the course of the race. There are rewards for those who master it. I am not up to it.... yet. For sure, this week, I have added a new tool to tool bag.

Finally, if you do not manage the battery and your QT time for the Toyota is within 1.0s of the Audi then you should select the Toyota for the race.