"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[NevilleNobody]

Gee it was elbows out at spa, thought others were crazy then watched a reply and inwas almost as bad. Still, I see a ton of just dumb race craft, sort of nudging past instead of waiting for a clean opportunity.

Racing with the Mazda lm55 is interesting as your delta times Ballon so damn fast. Exit bus stop, lose half a second, then anther half a second exiting lasource, then gain that second back from eau Rouge through to stavelot, then lose a few tenths through pouhon, then we are evens through rest sectorb2 then gain 7 10th down back straight and through blanchimont.

Repeat.

 

[05XR8]

Maybe this is the one time PD should limit cars at Tsukuba. Classic six cars from Best Motoring/early GT games.

 

[GT5Power]

Topic: Audi R18/Gr 1 and regeneration.

Thanks for your guidance.

A clarifying question: how do I harvest while not compromising the overall lap? The method I see is to apply the brake but maintain throttle. It feels unconventional as I learned to use the brake or throttle but not both. I am ready to experiment. This may sound naive, but:

• On sections where you would normally lift, like Fagnes left and the left after Bruxelles/Rivage, are you instead light braking while maintaining throttle?
• Are you harvesting in Bruxelles and instead of feathering the throttle you are holding the brake longer while more aggressively applying throttle?
• Are you doing anything at the fast Pouhon left?
• Are you effectively applying the brake while on full throttle prior to hard braking sections?

In theory it should work but I have found it difficult in practice. I am at the point where I can finish Blanchimont with leftover charge and am scoring my best S3 times but it is not overcoming the cost to S2. It feels like the potential is there.

My goal is to use this for race pace as I am effectively done with qualifying.

PS: for anyone trying to harvest for the *next* lap in QT. It is easy but not obvious. On Blanchimont run full throttle in 2nd or 3rd gear and apply the brakes at 50% while maintaining full throttle. You will run between 110-150 kph and you will take about 10 seconds to get a full charge.

Forgive me if this caused a double post. I submitted it earlier today but it disappeared.

I went into a custom race with the race C settings and clipped a lap, there's a couple mistakes in it but the laptime is pretty much on target for race pace. I think it'll do a better job of explaining than if I wrote it out

 

[newb1017]

Struggled through a few Race B races last night. Had run some qualifying laps earlier in the week in the TT and thought a 2:04:995 would put me somewhere half decent on the grid. Well, four races starting between 12th and 15th says otherwise!

I had a go in the Jag F-Type and had a good race, making a couple of places along the way to a 10th place finish. I tried the Viper with a new livery I had made and it looked good but only managed 11th on a grid full of TT and RCZ. I jumped in the TT and was put in 15th and ended up 10th with some impressive passes on the final lap, starting the lap 16th.

So I thought maybe it's time to improve my qualifying time. Jumped in the Renault Megane Gr4 and decided to try test the track limits. Well, I didn't realise how much you can cut some of these corners! Qualifying time dropped from 2:04:9, to 2:04:3, to 2:03:3 within 8 laps! I'll have to see what that does to my grid placings tonight!

Am just new the daily racing. I used the Audi TT because it was really easy to drive at TCS 0 (even easier than the gr3 911). I have the brakes at +5. I tested the Megane and it seemed like it could be faster, but not for me. I am not skilled enough to drive in races with cars that are even a little bit twitchy or unstable. I need to improve my driving because I am not always going to find a TT or 911 to use...lol. I did about 10 practice laps in the A race and that car and those tires and that track... it was like I was on a skating rink after coming off the TT. I said to myself, I think I will skip that race ..lol I had lots of fun with the MOTUL last week at TCS 2. Feeling good that I have a go to car now for gr2 gr3 and gr4 races if I need a safe and controllable car while I tried to improve on some of the ones that are harder to drive but maybe faster.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Passing at that track, in Gr4 cars, is not real easy without contact. And unfortunately, at the lower levels, especially, people are not going to be reasonable about the contact. In a high DR lobby you'd expect some 'rubbing is racing' moves, but it is too common for people to nastier in a lot of races.

Passing might be difficult at that track, but that shouldn't mean forcing penalties and generally driving like a c**k. Really disliking that race, so might try my hand at the Spa race in the Gr1 cars tonight and over the weekend, and hope for a slightly better level of driving (although now I've dropped a rank in SR and lower DR means I'll probably end up with worse-mannered drivers again!

 

[05XR8]

Ran a qualy before the race. Cockpit, HUD off, TCS 0. Think I'm going to be smashed into T1. Shouldn't have bothered.

Edit: Well, I didn't get bumped off, but the R18 that started ahead of me and finished behind me, did give me a bump at the end of the main straight. It went off towards the end of the race. I had to pit end of Lap6. My tyres felt worn, with only the tops slightly red. 787B is strong for the first 4 laps though. I was able to shadow the Tomahawk until then. After that, it drove away as I faded.

 

[KiepeYai]

Pd are seriously running out of ideas, anyways gr3 brands hatch will be fun like the last time, and it looks like mediums are the new hards

 

[AfraidRacer]

Pd are seriously running out of ideas, anyways gr3 brands hatch will be fun like the last time, and it looks like mediums are the new hards

Next Week's races
N200 @ Monza
Gr.3 @ Brands Hatch
Gr.4 @ Laguna Seca

Obviously Monza will be a bit of chaos, will be interesting to see the car choice. Could be Toyobaru Twins.
Gr.3 @ Brands is fun, but nothing exceptional to me.
I hang out mostly at Race Cs whatever the week, and Gr.4 at Laguna seems really interesting to me. Fuel is at 2x and Tires 6x. If tire wear is high enough(I don't think it is), then RWDs will be competitive which is always a good thing. Maybe not the Viper though.
Otherwise, the TT feels really good at Laguna anyway, and I'll be quite happy even if it is a TT one-make.

And yes guys, like KiepeYai said above, Mediums are the new Hards, Race A, B, and C are all on Medium tires, even though A is SM.
Could this be the start of a change where we have now permanently moved on to Mediums? I believe so.

 

[Hasnain282]

Brands Hatch and Laguna Seca will be fun to TT as per usual, not sure how the racing will be.
I guess we've gotta hope that the FF tyres drop off enough to warrant a pitstop at Laguna for there to be any strategy

 

[05XR8]

I'm thinking Slophy, Cayman and 4C, will be the optimum choices for Race C. Throw in the Scirocco for the FF META.

 

[OJBrit]

Ran some laps in the Audi last night, chasing Fraga's ghost. I can feel the speed, I can get a drive out of tight corners, but I'm a 1 foot driver

My first thought was, 'wow he's short.' and then it clicked. Sorry.

Passing at that track, in Gr4 cars, is not real easy without contact. And unfortunately, at the lower levels, especially, people are not going to be reasonable about the contact. In a high DR lobby you'd expect some 'rubbing is racing' moves, but it is too common for people to nastier in a lot of races.

You need to try the British way. Say calmly and politely, 'I say old chap, can I come through?' Whilst they are contemplating this steal the place and they'll be left to wonder what they did wrong.

 

[KiepeYai]

Brands Hatch and Laguna Seca will be fun to TT as per usual, not sure how the racing will be.
I guess we've gotta hope that the FF tyres drop off enough to warrant a pitstop at Laguna for there to be any strategy

it should be a non stop for all cars, but if you will be using FF, try not to cry during the last 3 laps

 

[zavisic_]

I tried to quickly explain how I do daily race c with consistent 1:58 lap times. I hope some of you learn something and transfers the idea into your own driving. Thanks!

 

[Norrin Radd]

Why couldn't they change B and C around? 13 laps of Brands in GR3 would be much more fun than another race against the TTs. Think for once I'll be doing race B all week, real pity as I enjoy Laguna Seca too.

 

[NoStopN]

Why couldn't they change B and C around? 13 laps of Brands in GR3 would be much more fun than another race against the TTs. Think for once I'll be doing race B all week, real pity as I enjoy Laguna Seca too.

They moved Gr. 4 to the C race because it is ridiculous to have the same car class for the same race slot 2 weeks in a row. I normally like LS, & after getting to use RM tires for the last 2 weeks, I'm inclined to give it a go, DR reset be damned.

 

[Norrin Radd]

They moved Gr. 4 to the C race because it is ridiculous to have the same car class for the same race slot 2 weeks in a row. I normally like LS, & after getting to use RM tires for the last 2 weeks, I'm inclined to give it a go, DR reset be damned.

But GR4 seems to be the standard for race B, OK I'm new but it feels like that. So when they make race C GR4 they at least need to up the tyre wear so it's actually worth taking several cars. This will be the third out of 4 weeks where a pit stop isn't needed, not saying it needs to be mandatory like last week, but these longer sprints are more boring than they need to be.

 

[GTWolverine]

They moved Gr. 4 to the C race because it is ridiculous to have the same car class for the same race slot 2 weeks in a row. I normally like LS, & after getting to use RM tires for the last 2 weeks, I'm inclined to give it a go, DR reset be damned.

Being unoriginal hasn't stopped PD before.

 

[NevilleNobody]

But GR4 seems to be the standard for race B, OK I'm new but it feels like that. So when they make race C GR4 they at least need to up the tyre wear so it's actually worth taking several cars. This will be the third out of 4 weeks where a pit stop isn't needed, not saying it needs to be mandatory like last week, but these longer sprints are more boring than they need to be.

I am actually enjoying spa, especially with a "different" car as the AWD mazda keeps it's tyres a bit fresher and I am BRUTAL on tyres so do not normally enjoy the latter stages of race C. But this week, by lap 8, i am reeling guys in ever so slightly and they are also making late mistakes.

Agree group 4 has become a bit of a farce and I cannot turn a lap around seca anyways, i am dog, dog, dog slow there.

 

[Norrin Radd]

I am actually enjoying spa, especially with a "different" car as the AWD mazda keeps it's tyres a bit fresher and I am BRUTAL on tyres so do not normally enjoy the latter stages of race C. But this week, by lap 8, i am reeling guys in ever so slightly and they are also making late mistakes.

Agree group 4 has become a bit of a farce and I cannot turn a lap around seca anyways, i am dog, dog, dog slow there.

Yeah I'm enjoying spa too and because the speed actually makes it brutal especially the last few lap, the fact it's a no stop is actually fine. I would actually like those few seconds of down time a stop would give. Not saying C always needs to have tactics, but for GR4 it needs it or it's just a longer race B

 

[O604]

It's a shame but Gr 4./Gr.3 races are pretty stale now. Where's the fun?

It's understandable for FIA Manu races for drivers to get used to the same car, conditions... but for Daily Races variety would be nice.

At this point in the game PD is not attracting new players to the FIA races from the Dailies. They should be putting more effort into attracting more GT players online in general.

 

[sturk0167]

But GR4 seems to be the standard for race B, OK I'm new but it feels like that. So when they make race C GR4 they at least need to up the tyre wear so it's actually worth taking several cars. This will be the third out of 4 weeks where a pit stop isn't needed, not saying it needs to be mandatory like last week, but these longer sprints are more boring than they need to be.

I don't know. Are you sure the mediums won't wear out before finishing 13 laps?
For me, I think after 8 or 9 laps, I'd be having some grip problems.
Then again, I have no clue how to take care of my tires.

 

[roamingbard13]

I don't know. Are you sure the mediums won't wear out before finishing 13 laps?
For me, I think after 8 or 9 laps, I'd be having some grip problems.
Then again, I have no clue how to take care of my tires.

Because of the length of the pit stop at LS, I'd be surprised if it isn't a no-stop race. BUT....because of that, some MR and FR cars will make their presence felt next week at least. My early guess is that the Cayman and McLaren will be the choices for race time, even if they aren't in time trial.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

First @KiepeYai it was good to see you in a race this morning.
It was a real bad race for me, but no one else's fault. I got run off once by the guy in the Sauber and then I guess I lost focus because my laptime grew by several seconds.
Well, still good to see a GTP member win, congratulations on that!

Secondly I think that the FF cars will have a real hard time on Laguna Seca next week. The tire wear will make it very hard for them to no-stop.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Because of the length of the pit stop at LS, I'd be surprised if it isn't a no-stop race. BUT....because of that, some MR and FR cars will make their presence felt next week at least. My early guess is that the Cayman and McLaren will be the choices for race time, even if they aren't in time trial.

I like the sound of this. I've not had much experience in my Cayman or McLaren, so it'll be fun to get them out for a few laps! Any thoughts on the F-Type or the GTR?

 

[roamingbard13]

I like the sound of this. I've not had much experience in my Cayman or McLaren, so it'll be fun to get them out for a few laps! Any thoughts on the F-Type or the GTR?

The GTR is AWD and will melt tires. I tend to think the track favors a better handling car than the F-type, and the better handling cars are also usually better on tires. Who knows though -- I have more miles in the Gr 4 F-Type than any other car in the game, so I'd be fine with it being good

 

[KiepeYai]

First @KiepeYai it was good to see you in a race this morning.
It was a real bad race for me, but no one else's fault. I got run off once by the guy in the Sauber and then I guess I lost focus because my laptime grew by several seconds.
Well, still good to see a GTP member win, congratulations on that!

Secondly I think that the FF cars will have a real hard time on Laguna Seca next week. The tire wear will make it very hard for them to no-stop.

Thank you , It was nice seeing you out there, so it looks like we only have to use FF for qualy , now we got some proper gr4 race since nurb week , happy days ahead

The GTR is AWD and will melt tires. I tend to think the track favors a better handling car than the F-type, and the better handling cars are also usually better on tires. Who knows though -- I have more miles in the Gr 4 F-Type than any other car in the game, so I'd be fine with it being good

MR will shine there , and the mighty viper of course , cant count it out

 

[Pigems]

The GTR is AWD and will melt tires. I tend to think the track favors a better handling car than the F-type, and the better handling cars are also usually better on tires. Who knows though -- I have more miles in the Gr 4 F-Type than any other car in the game, so I'd be fine with it being good

I’m guessing the best cars for the race will be the Porsche, McLaren and Ferrari. TT Cup will be the Q car though.

Edit: This may even be one race where the Gr.4 Supra might even be able to work in race.

 

[Little_Guppy]

I went into a custom race with the race C settings and clipped a lap, there's a couple mistakes in it but the laptime is pretty much on target for race pace. I think it'll do a better job of explaining than if I wrote it out

Wonderful. I see where you are nudging the brakes while on full throttle at Les Combes, Les Fagnes, Stavelot, and the bus top chicane. *That* looks very manageable. I was overthinking it.

My goal is to have a spare charge at Eau Rouge (on a fast lap, of course). It means 100% of the corner exits will have a full boost.

Time for some more practice.

Once again, thanks for your patience and time.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Your losing close to 20 secs with a tyre change so stopping won't really work. I did a run on the GT-R and I was going to be close, but I pitted to see the loss, will run with no pit and then try something else. Tried the McLaren and hated it, but then I find the MRs in this game handle really weirdly.

 

[Little_Guppy]

Brands Hatch and Laguna Seca will be fun to TT as per usual, not sure how the racing will be.
I guess we've gotta hope that the FF tyres drop off enough to warrant a pitstop at Laguna for there to be any strategy

If nothing else the switch to mediums will force the pit tradeoff. Race C is more special when it a pit strategy is required *and* when there is no clear *best* strategy.