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I won another race in the R8, and with that I have obtained the A+ driver rating! Fantastic stuff! Started and finished on pole.

This week's Gr.3 race was great. The track is tough but very good, and the car variety was very noticeable. Citroën GTs, RCZs, RS01s, Supras, R8s and more..all capable of very fast times out there.

Victory for A+

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I think the braking bit discussed by @BigSarj and others is really important. It’s commonly thought by many people that super late braking is the way to get laptimes...Often though a little lighter brake a little earlier just works better. I saw this posted recently where this fella was getting coached by a pro driver.
Really interesting stuff that ties in to what Ross Bentley says...
If you go to 14:30 it’s a big theme for the student that he carries in a lot of entry speed and brakes super late AND it’s costing him a lot of time...


Edit 14:30 to about 18:30 if you listen to the pro it’s very important stuff.

Also 55:00 and just on you see the student explaining his results afterward and I think it’s cool. He mentions he thought he was maxed out but it was simply he needed a bit more knowledge to go faster.
 
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Little_Guppy
The Mazda LM55? Good top speed, 4WD so easy to handle. 8 gears with lots of powerband overlap...there is an ideal gear for every corner.

I used it at "Sarthe No Chicane" as opposed to the META Nissan/Nismo '92. The LM55 was 10 kph slower on the long straight but was better on the rest of lap. The rest of the universe disagreed.

With the chicanes the LM55 will be relatively better than the Nissan/Nismo '92. But now the hybrids will emerge as more corners and braking allow them to recharge their batteries and lower hybrid top speed is less of an issue.

The LM55 was next best compared to the hybrids at Spa.
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NO NO, not the LM55. I think it was a mazda, but I've never seen it before, yet I won one. I assumed it was a new car, but I'll have to look when I get home. It is a hybrid, though. That I remember.

Edit. tried to quote @Groundfish and couldn't in an edit, but anyways... What they're talking about with earlier braking in that video is exactly what you are FORCED to do in traffic when racing from the back, and you soon realize how much faster you can be with those techniques. It has been a great learning tool for me, especially when you take your time and don't worry about finish position.
 
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Rexracer702
dit. tried to quote @Groundfish and couldn't in an edit, but anyways... What they're talking about with earlier braking in that video is exactly what you are FORCED to do in traffic when racing from the back, and you soon realize how much faster you can be with those techniques. It has been a great learning tool for me, especially when you take your time and don't worry about finish position.
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It is SO OPPOSITE to what you’d think if you didn’t know it. It’s why I HATE players who insist on being inches from the car ahead under braking and entering turns. 95 percent of the time it shows they don’t know what they are doing.
You need room if you’re gonna get a run on the car ahead.
 
Groundfish
It is SO OPPOSITE to what you’d think if you didn’t know it. It’s why I HATE players who insist on being inches from the car ahead under braking and entering turns. 95 percent of the time it shows they don’t know what they are doing.
You need room if you’re gonna get a run on the car ahead.
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This is true but I wish the single player hadn't forced bad habits onto me. I had to learn the hard way, by ruining a couple of people's races when I first started in DR E and D, watching the replay, smacking myself, and learning from my mistakes.

Now, I see how much more beneficial it is to stay back and take the opportunity when it will inevitably present itself. I wish the campaign worked more as tutorial than a means to get a prize car and a trophy.

I can only speak from personal experience but the reason I never tried the online until January of 2021 was because of my fear of ruining peoples' races. I just didn't want to be that guy. I wonder how many people feel the same way I did.

Thx for the book recommendation, btw.
 
Hmm, Race C. Started from the back in the RC F. It's way like a mUlti-class race. All GT-Rs from P1-P11. Two NSXs and all four of us RC Fs, in the last four places.

One poor NSX got blasted at T1. Some players served penalties or went off. By the time Lap 4 rolled around, I was up to 8th. Battled another RC F for 7th as we didn't try and hold each other up. We passed each other, but not at no-go zones.

Cars pitted around Lap 5-7. We stayed out. Short battle with a fresh tyre GT-R. I got ahead of it, mid-lap, as its tyres were cold. Got on the tail of the RC F, and I pitted. The other RC F stayed out. It was now P2 as cars were in the pits.

I came out in P11. Made up time with the RMs and gained another two spots as the really long running cars made their pit stops.
Caught a GT-R on RH. It kept divebombing me when I'm choosing the racing line for the corners. So, it makes me slow on corner exits.i drop back and begin to set up my pass with two laps to go.
Kept gaining and gaining. Last lap, I'm close at T1, it defends for the run to T2. I stay patient at T2. On the run to T3, GT-R stays tight right and I stay in its left hand mirror. I cost for the braking area and wait for the GT-R to lose grip like it's been doing trying to defend these last laps.
Yep, it goes wide as predicted. I do an in-out-in, but make the apex even tighter, just enough so my arc crosses in front of the GT-R. GT-R corrects and touched the rumble strip. Slows down even more and I'm gone.

Finished P8 from last.
 
sturk0167
Well, there should be no debate about tire strategy for the upcoming LeMans race.
I just did a test, and the results were absolutely conclusive.
I did a custom race with next week's race C settings. I borrowed the Porsche 962 from @Dairyworker.

I went 5 laps on mediums, then stopped to get a set of hards for the last lap. I entered the pits with a 13 second lead, and exited 11 seconds behind the leader! I am not certain that the length of pit stops is the same in custom races as it is in Sports Mode. I heard they made the Sport Mode pit stops longer, so probably.

Look at how long the pit stop took. :eek:



I then did a race on hards for all 6 laps. Tire wear was fine. None of my tires were more than half worn at the end.
The overall race time was 23 seconds faster than using mediums and stopping. Lap times were pretty close.
Driving 6 laps on mediums and taking the penalty won't be worth it, either.
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I’m guessing that both tires will be mandatory, so everyone will have to stop regardless. If so it may be better to run the mediums as long as possible. :)
 
Got home last night and after getting the duties sorted with kids and pets and cleaning I had no time to log in for a proper run at FIA so went for a couple of race A instead. Total carnage. 3 of the same drivers in both races basically having their own race. Shoving everyone off, wide or into the wall so they could stay together. Seemed like they knew each other as all had the same flags. Bailed on that. I wasnt there to play wreckfest.

Going to take a little adjusting mentally to be ready for more of that contact, but most of the time so far it has been good racing.
 
BigSarj
I can only speak from personal experience but the reason I never tried the online until January of 2021 was because of my fear of ruining peoples' races. I just didn't want to be that guy. I wonder how many people feel the same way I did.
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I had the game a couple months before clicking the entry button, and then it was n100. Same fear of online.

BigSarj
I wish the campaign worked more as tutorial than a means to get a prize car and a trophy.
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Agreed. Even the videos you have to watch. All they do is show a couple things NOT to do.
It ought to show more what TO do.
At least provide textbook clean examples of basic overtake/defense. Huge shortcoming in this title, imo. I think the track stuff circuit experience? was very good though.
Imo things are always more enjoyable if it’s made clear what is textbook, then you can be as confident as this guy...7k

 
Redneckchef
Got home last night and after getting the duties sorted with kids and pets and cleaning I had no time to log in for a proper run at FIA so went for a couple of race A instead. Total carnage. 3 of the same drivers in both races basically having their own race. Shoving everyone off, wide or into the wall so they could stay together. Seemed like they knew each other as all had the same flags. Bailed on that. I wasnt there to play wreckfest.

Going to take a little adjusting mentally to be ready for more of that contact, but most of the time so far it has been good racing.
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Spent all week grinding away in race A. Managed a great QT (19th on the regional list - best ever!), so I been starting mostly in the first 3 or 4 spots. Yes there have been the usual bangers, but I haven't gotten a single penalty all week. If someone gets a little pushy and barges through, causing me to lose a few spots, I've had the opportunity to race hard and get the spots back. The worst thing about the pen system before the update was that not only did we get screwed by a dirty driver who doesn't get a penalty, PD shoved it in farther by hitting us with with a multi-second penalty that puts any hope of recovery out of reach. All things considered, I can live with way things are now.
 
Pigems
I’m guessing that both tires will be mandatory, so everyone will have to stop regardless. If so it may be better to run the mediums as long as possible. :)
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KP says mediums are available, but hards are mandatory.
 
I looked at the car I won last night. Not a Mazda. It's a Peugeot L750R. Maybe not new, but I've never tried it. Anyone raced it? I'll give it a shot. I hope we have mandatory pits. S/M/H would make it interesting. If only H, sounds like a TS050 one make. I guess we'll see.
 
sturk0167
Well, there should be no debate about tire strategy for the upcoming LeMans race.
I just did a test, and the results were absolutely conclusive.
I did a custom race with next week's race C settings. I borrowed the Porsche 962 from @Dairyworker.

I went 5 laps on mediums, then stopped to get a set of hards for the last lap. I entered the pits with a 13 second lead, and exited 11 seconds behind the leader! I am not certain that the length of pit stops is the same in custom races as it is in Sports Mode. I heard they made the Sport Mode pit stops longer, so probably.

Look at how long the pit stop took. :eek:



I then did a race on hards for all 6 laps. Tire wear was fine. None of my tires were more than half worn at the end.
The overall race time was 23 seconds faster than using mediums and stopping. Lap times were pretty close.
Driving 6 laps on mediums and taking the penalty won't be worth it, either.
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Well that puts a spanner in the works. I got the same results, flat out on hards is perfect. I did try a 6M, didn’t know there would be mandatory hards. Would be interesting if there were no mandatory tires, the aliens would be on Mediums and the the rest of us on hards.
 
Well, uh.. yeah,... About that Race A.

WHAT IN THE FRAGGERKNACKLEBULL IS GOING ON????!!!!

Give a bit of room. Players think, "Oh? That's my in!". I had to payback smash someone in the wall. That was after I got bumped into someone else and bumped again into the right hand walls. Ridiculous.
 
05XR8
Well, uh.. yeah,... About that Race A.

WHAT IN THE FRAGGERKNACKLEBULL IS GOING ON????!!!!

Give a bit of room. Players think, "Oh? That's my in!". I had to payback smash someone in the wall. That was after I got bumped into someone else and bumped again into the right hand walls. Ridiculous.
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I did lots of Race A early in the week. It was a bit bumpy but nothing too bad. Generally enjoyable racing.

I haven’t been brave enough to try it since the update as I suspected it would become apocalyptic. So many places to push, dive and punt.

Sounds like it’s well on the way.
 
D_Dragline
I did lots of Race A early in the week. It was a bit bumpy but nothing too bad. Generally enjoyable racing.

I haven’t been brave enough to try it since the update as I suspected it would become apocalyptic. So many places to push, dive and punt.

Sounds like it’s well on the way.
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I had some really good races after the update, but once the weekend drivers kicked in it got nasty. Mainly just reckless but more mess than I was interested in.
 
Yeah, Race B is way more respectful. No diving. Players keeping momentum. Backing off at Seaside hairpin to allow players the room to accelerate. Noone wants the cars b hind to catch up. Been pretty much good for me this weekend.
 
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I kind of broke out of a slump. There are still plenty of mistakes that need to be cleaned up each race, but I finally managed a top 5 finish since the update. I can assure you the road was rough. I'm about a second off the pace that I want to be at. Ross Bentley's Speed Secrets helped out a bit - mostly the parts about vision and steering.



Something I didn't think about before was travel distance between maximum and minimum force from the brake pedal. When I finally chose to put the conical brake mod on my T3PA, I became much more consistent. No longer did I have to slouch nor pull my foot a mile back to get on/off the brakes.

All of my fastest quali times were done on the Xanavi Nismo GT-R rather than the Motul. Though, when it comes to the race it lacks the stability that really makes you want to push the car harder. While the car isn't exceptionally difficult, it was noticeably harder to extract the same pace its younger brother can in traffic. It needs to be buffed or have a setup change to compensate.
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Again, the racing overall can only be described as "interesting" since its entirely possible to get a mix of super-fast e-sports level drivers, average folk like me and some others, and masters of the dark arts. I won't lie, there absolutely were times where I was seeing red. The anger would still linger on after a few corners and a bit after the race.

I don't like contact in general. I get flashbacks from when I used to race on GTA Online.

 
Hey SpacedustDaddy :) just saw you in Race B

looked like a terrible race for both of us!
 
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@Pigems When you said it was a bad idea to go for an overtake on the inside at turn 1 you should've been more specific 💡...

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I just had the same “Lick The Stamp Divebomb from 200m back” happen to me... I was P8 and going 3-wide into the hairpin with P6 & P7 (all of us giving enough room, but minor rubbing), and I got punted by P10 from WAAAAY back... he barely braked!

Also, why the F do so many people make a slow pass on a straight, then get 1 pixel ahead and then pull right in front at the start of the braking zone!
 
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Carrera1963
I just had the same “Lick The Stamp Divebomb from 200m back” happen to me... I was P8 and going 3-wide into the hairpin with P6 & P7 (all of us giving enough room, but minor rubbing), and I got punted by P10 from WAAAAY back... he barely braked!
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That same player did it again mid-pack, but backfired and he/she speared off into the wall, before TFB. I'm done until Spa tomorrow.
 
@Barney Da Dog Yes you probably would have but that would have been wrong, that driver got what they deserved, they tried to block the car in front of you but were still ghosted and then they started on you, sore loser, see this behaviour quite often unfortunately. :rolleyes:

The other day I watched a guy spend an entire lap trying everything to stop a car passing them, eventually they got a track limit penalty exiting the last turn and they were still ahead of the car they were battling, so heading into T2 and about to serve the penalty, they simply took it out on the car in front who'd done nothing at all and went over the grass and straight into them punting them way off and I just cruised by the lot of them, pathetic behaviour. :rolleyes:


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Good morning friends,

I finally returned to A S on the alt. I had one quite good race, nice clean A level battling. But, during the succeeding races it became evident that the penalty system change memos have gone out. I shared one race in which I was bombed from WAY outside slipstream range then the driver called me a pig after I introduced him to Dr Wall, and then sent him off with some lotion to enjoy some time on the beach.
Post race there were comments so I uploaded so you can see the post race interviews with my A and A plus competitors under this fantastic new pen system...
 
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